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Give me some advice...
The previous owner ran him in a leather one so thats what we are going to try on him. |
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Location: ND | With a horse that won't back off my hands I prefer a rope or rawhide nose and to get them to back off of it. A leather one they will brace into. |
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Location: MD | How old is this horse and how long was it run in a leather tiedown? |
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| He is a coming 7 yo, was very green before we acquired him and was ran in a bid draw gag(?) and a leather tie down for 6 months or so.
We basically started him over and at home he acts reinerish and can run a clean pattern with just a o-ring snaffle, but at a race its a whole new ball game and he fights it tooth and nail. Its been over a year of pure frustration...  |
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Location: MD | It seems that you have two things going on here. First off, you've got a horse who was run in a gaga and is pulling through your hands. After too long of being ridden and run in a draw bit, it'll start to feel like you're pulling on a sponge. Those horses have to be schooled in something else and reminded to have some respect. The other thing being that a horse will learn to lay on and balance themselves with a tiedown in the turn. The bigger and softer the tiedown, the more they will lay on it.It seems to me that while you have done a lot of work, he is still reverting to his early training on the pattern when it comes time to run. |
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| Thanks man, i agree with everything you said.
What should we do? We know a very respected trainer around these parts and she doesnt think the tie down will help and is against putting them on younger green horses, but at this point I want to try something different as it seems were just spinning our wheels at this point. |
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That is a respect issue... Long term fix... get him off the bit in speed work or you're going to have other issues to contend with. The tie down can stiffen him up if he's on the end of it, and that can make for crummy barrels. Better to do the long term fix then try to just get by.
Good luck!
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Location: MD | To me, it all boils down to the fact that a barrel horse has to be broke both when going fast and slow. Get that sucker as broke and respectful of the bridle while cruising along at a pretty good clip in the dry work as he is while going slow and you should be alright. It can take a while, but from the sounds of it, he's young and it will serve you well for the years to come. |
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| You guys are 100% correct even though I dont like it...
Can you give some specific exercises to perform? |
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| At home he does the reining squares at speed almost perfect.
We were just talking about buying 2 exhibitions and instead of doing the barrel pattern spend the time doing reining squares. |
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Location: Eastern OH but my heart is in WV | WrapSnap - 2015-02-14 9:46 PM
To me, it all boils down to the fact that a barrel horse has to be broke both when going fast and slow. Get that sucker as broke and respectful of the bridle while cruising along at a pretty good clip in the dry work as he is while going slow and you should be alright. It can take a while, but from the sounds of it, he's young and it will serve you well for the years to come.
 So great to see you back on here giving your great training advice! |
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Location: In a happy place | grinandbareit - 2015-02-14 9:42 PM That is a respect issue... Long term fix... get him off the bit in speed work or you're going to have other issues to contend with. The tie down can stiffen him up if he's on the end of it, and that can make for crummy barrels. Better to do the long term fix then try to just get by. Good luck!
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| Itsme - 2015-02-14 9:50 PM
You guys are 100% correct even though I dont like it...
Can you give some specific exercises to perform?
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Location: MD | Itsme - 2015-02-15 9:35 AM
Itsme - 2015-02-14 9:50 PM
You guys are 100% correct even though I dont like it...
Can you give some specific exercises to perform?
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Running around like crazy today, but I'll get some ideas up for you this evening. |
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Location: Texas | Itsme - 2015-02-15 9:35 AM
Itsme - 2015-02-14 9:50 PM
You guys are 100% correct even though I dont like it...
Can you give some specific exercises to perform?
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There are a few ways to fix this, but I am reluctant to post them in detail on a public forum, because if not done correctly, you can do more harm than good. Which is true with most training techniques. Find a good coach and get them to help you so that you can feel confident that what you are doing is the right thing to do. It will be well worth the time and money you will invest.
Good luck.
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Let me add... I have spent a great deal of money, time, & effort to get good at this... I have attended several clinics, read countless books and watched so many videos that I have lost count, lol. I have learned that there is no book, video or forum out there that can replace a good coach. You will learn more by "feel" than by anything else. Find someone that has the kind of horse you want your horse to be... at the barrels and away from them. Ask them for help and most would love to share their experience with you.
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