JLBerry - 2015-03-11 8:14 AM Not to hi-jack the thread but....Oxy-Gen makes pre-race pastes that are natural substitutes for all of the drugs being described here. OxyO2 replaces ventipulmin. OxySilver is a 4 in 1 paste that replaces ventipulmin, dex, gastrogard and legend. I have been using these in place of the drugs in WPRA and have had great results.

astreakinchic - 2015-03-11 5:19 AM

Has anyone actually ever been tested by WPRA? I have never heard of anyone actually being tested and I'm just curious.

I'm going to edit this to make it more clear: Does anyone personally know anyone tested. I know ppl that ran at one of the above mentioned rodeos and won a check, but were not tested. They did not hear of anyone else there being tested either.

JLBerry - 2015-03-12 7:14 AM Not to hi-jack the thread but....Oxy-Gen makes pre-race pastes that are natural substitutes for all of the drugs being described here. OxyO2 replaces ventipulmin. OxySilver is a 4 in 1 paste that replaces ventipulmin, dex, gastrogard and legend. I have been using these in place of the drugs in WPRA and have had great results.

Dinero10 - 2015-03-11 10:34 AM


What ingredients in the Oxysilver pretains to it replacing  all these 4?  Specifically ventipulmin and Legend.?
 

mruggles - 2015-03-11 11:16 AM


and we no longer have canadian distributors for oxygen...and shipping is unrealistic....

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JLBerry - 2015-03-11 9:14 AM

Not to hi-jack the thread but....Oxy-Gen makes pre-race pastes that are natural substitutes for all of the drugs being described here. OxyO2 replaces ventipulmin. OxySilver is a 4 in 1 paste that replaces ventipulmin, dex, gastrogard and legend. I have been using these in place of the drugs in WPRA and have had great results.

SC Wrangler - 2015-03-11 7:49 PM

It seems to me that many barrel racers are all about running horses clean -- until it effects their own program.  

The cold hard fact is that these substances are banned by just about every organization with a drug policy.  There is a reason.

Ventipulmin/clenbuterol is an powerful drug that is very easy to obtain (RX from vet) that is very widely abused.  In addition to being a bronchial dialator it is a long-lasting central nervous stimulator that increases areobic capacity, increases blood pressure, oxygen carrying capacity and has the ability to increase the ratio of muscle mass vs body fat.  All reasons it is considered performance enhancing. Albuterol shares many of the same properties.  Dex is a problem for a whole different set of reasons.

Go take a look at all the recent coverage of trainers being suspended both by state racing commission and the AQHA because their horses are testing positive for ventipulmin/clenbuterol.  This is one of the "legal" drugs that is just a big a problem and maybe even more abused than illegal drugs.

I am sure this is not a popular opinion, but if the field is to be leveled it needs to be leveled across the board.

WrapSnap - 2015-03-11 11:26 PM

For everyone who is bringing up drug regulations in other disciplines.... Do you think that those people are not competing on horses that would benefit greatly from a little pharmaceutical assistance? Let's take 3 Day Eventing, for instance. For anything that is FEI recognized, there are super stringent rules. Basically, they can have absolutely nothing. Those horses ship many hours to get to competitions throughout the country, arriving a day, or two before competition starts. Now, they have been doing a bunch of conditioning work before they get there. Gallop sets, lots of trotting, hill work, etc... Upon arrival, they'll have a light school on non competition days. They then do the Dressage on Friday, Saturday they gallop around for 10 to 12 minutes, jump 25-35 actual jumps and then have to turn around on Sunday and do the Stadium Jumping.

The amount of work that goes into making them "pass" the inspections by the ground jury each day is insane! Horses being iced almost continuously, so that they won't be foot sore in the horse inspection, even though they came off the cross country course walking on egg shells. Massage and Acupuncture therapists make a killing, often working on horses multiple times a day. What happens when a horse is sitting very well in the placings after the Dressage and goes on to jump double clear Cross Country, but catches itself on the last fence in a way that causes it to break open the skin at it's coronet band? The horse is technically sound. It does jog badly though, as the skin stretches further apart and stings with pain every time the foot touches the ground. Now you have a horse who would be sound enough to pass inspection if only it received a couple of stitches. The horse has a very good chance of winning, what to do? How many men does it take to hold down a 16.3 HH Irish Sport Horse so that it can be given stitches without having been given a local? I've seen it happen and in that particular horse's case, it was 4. One person holding the other hind leg off of the ground, one holding the twitch, another twisting it's right ear to the point that I thought it was going to be ripped off and finally, the man with the lip chain.

Yes, there are other sports and associations which have rules against drug usage. My question is... Are those horses any better off for it?

luckygirl04 - 2015-03-11 6:54 PM


I gave the O2 this summer and honestly I founc just the price of it unrealistic. I like the product but they need to figure out how to make it more affordable.

WrapSnap - 2015-03-11 11:26 PM For everyone who is bringing up drug regulations in other disciplines.... Do you think that those people are not competing on horses that would benefit greatly from a little pharmaceutical assistance? Let's take 3 Day Eventing, for instance. For anything that is FEI recognized, there are super stringent rules. Basically, they can have absolutely nothing. Those horses ship many hours to get to competitions throughout the country, arriving a day, or two before competition starts. Now, they have been doing a bunch of conditioning work before they get there. Gallop sets, lots of trotting, hill work, etc... Upon arrival, they'll have a light school on non competition days. They then do the Dressage on Friday, Saturday they gallop around for 10 to 12 minutes, jump 25-35 actual jumps and then have to turn around on Sunday and do the Stadium Jumping. The amount of work that goes into making them "pass" the inspections by the ground jury each day is insane! Horses being iced almost continuously, so that they won't be foot sore in the horse inspection, even though they came off the cross country course walking on egg shells. Massage and Acupuncture therapists make a killing, often working on horses multiple times a day. What happens when a horse is sitting very well in the placings after the Dressage and goes on to jump double clear Cross Country, but catches itself on the last fence in a way that causes it to break open the skin at it's coronet band? The horse is technically sound. It does jog badly though, as the skin stretches further apart and stings with pain every time the foot touches the ground. Now you have a horse who would be sound enough to pass inspection if only it received a couple of stitches. The horse has a very good chance of winning, what to do? How many men does it take to hold down a 16.3 HH Irish Sport Horse so that it can be given stitches without having been given a local? I've seen it happen and in that particular horse's case, it was 4. One person holding the other hind leg off of the ground, one holding the twitch, another twisting it's right ear to the point that I thought it was going to be ripped off and finally, the man with the lip chain. Yes, there are other sports and associations which have rules against drug usage. My question is... Are those horses any better off for it?

casualdust07 - 2015-03-12 10:29 AM

Okay my take on NSAIDs and Dex- I AGREE with testing for these substances. I don't think they are "performance enhancing" although they do relieve aches and pains. I don't think you will make a 3D horse a 1D horse by running on bute.. but I don't think a lot of performance enhancing drugs do that either. The reason why I AGREE with testing for NSAIDs and Dex is because they aren't candy, they aren't harmless. If you give too much, or if you mix NSAIDs, you run the risk- a GOOD risk, of causing GI ulcers and kidney damage. Previcox is good because its more COX2 specific but there are adverse effects even with that drug. I think a lot of us think it's no big deal to put a scoop of bute in their feed, and maybe day of pop 10cc banamine in.. well when you combine NSAIDs you drastically increase the risk of ulceration and renal papillary necrosis. Oh and then we think sure lets rub some surpass on their hocks while we are at it...


And while I am at it- NSAIDS ARE NOT ILLEGAL!!! THEY ARE NOT ILLEGAL. I repeat- YOU CAN RUN BUTE. You just have to:
*FOLLOW THE LABEL DOSE
*give it within the time frame mentioned
*don't mix and give multiple NSAIDs at once

astreakinchic - 2015-03-12 7:47 AM


You can definitely keep a 1D horse a 1D horse by giving them tho....

If they run hard and use themselves they will get sore bottom line, it will happen, there is no such thing as 100% sound. The term 100% sound does not exist. No they do not enhance like a steroid, they are masking drugs. Masking drugs allow the horse to run when he's sore. Most of the heavier drugs barrel racers use mask the pain.

It all depends on what you consider ethical. Everyone's ethics are different. Most people don't pay attention to why some horses "go away" and come back. You can either run them and medicate them or you can turn them out to rest and heal, those are your two options. Unfortunately most people choose to run and "mask."

Most people don't understand that 90% of those horses are NOT being loaded to be hyped up, they are being "masked" to run without pain to win. The steroids and stimulates given really won't make a turd out run one with heart. BUT you sure can keep one with heart winning by masking.