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| Fairweather - 2015-03-29 12:46 PM I have a question in regards to testing hay. For those of you that get it tested, what is the cost? Do you test several places in the field, and do you test each cutting?
The cost will vary on the lab and the analysis that you are looking for. Average is about $20 per sample you send.
Generally, you core test a couple of bales from a "cutting" to get the average analysis for that field - I know UC Davis, Oregon State University, University of Minneosta, and South Dakota State all have feed analysis labs.
Here's a simple write up from OSU about pulling the sample and how to evaluate alfalfa. http://forages.oregonstate.edu/resources/publications/alfalfa_quality.pdf
Also - one from U of MN stating what they actually test when you send a sample - http://www.extension.umn.edu/agriculture/horse/nutrition/equine-hay-analysis/
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| hammer_time - 2015-03-28 10:00 PM Im curious as well. I'm feeding Bermuda grass hay and alfalfa (50/50) along with half pound of Renew Gold. I Can't decide if I want to do something with THE (w/ joint support), or just the 707 essentials....
I'm feeding the same thing and chose to go with THE. I'm not sure what to attribute the results to but my stud looks really good on it. |
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| The alfalfa really has nothing to do with making a horse hot, it's the high starch grains that people feed that will make one "hot." |
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| Fairweather - 2015-03-29 12:46 PM
I have a question in regards to testing hay. For those of you that get it tested, what is the cost? Do you test several places in the field, and do you test each cutting?
I'm in TN too and have mine tested...I don't recommend using UT labs though. I have gotten some very wacky(inconsistent) results from them several times. I do test each cutting and take samples using a hay probe from at least 10-15 bales from each cutting. You can borrow the hay probe from your extension office. I have been using http://equi-analytical.com/ with very good results.....good results meaning "consistant" results. The cost is under $30 for a basic sample. |
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| Read my deleted post again and try to comprehend there is
no mention of using the pelletized GroStrong in any form
other than the loose pure granulated form.
And this also goes for supplements of various names that
are made from rejected human supplements that are re-pelletized
to be fed to your horses .. with good marketing skills feed and
vaccine companies have learned horse people will buy anything
and do things to their horses that would have them in prison
if they did it to their kids... lol
I enjoy seeing and reading other factual suggestions on horse
care and always wonder about those that use slurs and dizzy
little icons with no knowledgeable information to add to the conversation.
For those that like factual information ... I think you will enjoy these 3 links ..
Content of LOOSE ADM // MOORMAN GroStrong Minerals
http://www.admani.com/horse/Products/Horse%20Grostrong%20Minerals.h...
Nice straight forward article explaining some things you may see when
a lack of certain minerals affect your horses ..
http://www.neverbluefarm.com/articles/nutrition_article_1.html
IONOPHERE FREE PLANT AND HOW THIS ACCOMPLISHED ...
http://bluebonnetfeeds.com/is-your-horses-feed-safe-to-consume/
Have a good day
and use the KISS system to better the health of your horses..
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Location: Wearing a winter coat...... | I feed this with my alfalfa hay. Horses look and feel great!
http://www.tributehorsefeeds.com/catalog/mares-and-foals/alfa-essen...
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| BARRELHORSE USA - 2015-03-31 1:56 AM
Read my deleted post again and try to comprehend there is
no mention of using the pelletized GroStrong in any form
other than the loose pure granulated form.
And this also goes for supplements of various names that
are made from rejected human supplements that are re-pelletized
to be fed to your horses .. with good marketing skills feed and
vaccine companies have learned horse people will buy anything
and do things to their horses that would have them in prison
if they did it to their kids... lol
I enjoy seeing and reading other factual suggestions on horse
care and always wonder about those that use slurs and dizzy
little icons with no knowledgeable information to add to the conversation.
For those that like factual information ... I think you will enjoy these 3 links ..
Content of LOOSE ADM // MOORMAN GroStrong Minerals
http://www.admani.com/horse/Products/Horse%20Grostrong%20Minerals.h...
Nice straight forward article explaining some things you may see when
a lack of certain minerals affect your horses ..
http://www.neverbluefarm.com/articles/nutrition_article_1.html
IONOPHERE FREE PLANT AND HOW THIS ACCOMPLISHED ...
http://bluebonnetfeeds.com/is-your-horses-feed-safe-to-consume/
Have a good day
and use the KISS system to better the health of your horses..
Do they not use the same equipment for mixing the loose minerals that they use for mixing the medicated minerals and feed? I am confused because I understood that it was all the same equipment. If I am mistaken, I would like to know. |
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| GLP - 2015-03-31 9:47 AM
BARRELHORSE USA - 2015-03-31 1:56 AM
Read my deleted post again and try to comprehend there is
no mention of using the pelletized GroStrong in any form
other than the loose pure granulated form.
And this also goes for supplements of various names that
are made from rejected human supplements that are re-pelletized
to be fed to your horses .. with good marketing skills feed and
vaccine companies have learned horse people will buy anything
and do things to their horses that would have them in prison
if they did it to their kids... lol
I enjoy seeing and reading other factual suggestions on horse
care and always wonder about those that use slurs and dizzy
little icons with no knowledgeable information to add to the conversation.
For those that like factual information ... I think you will enjoy these 3 links ..
Content of LOOSE ADM // MOORMAN GroStrong Minerals
http://www.admani.com/horse/Products/Horse%20Grostrong%20Minerals.h...
Nice straight forward article explaining some things you may see when
a lack of certain minerals affect your horses ..
http://www.neverbluefarm.com/articles/nutrition_article_1.html
IONOPHERE FREE PLANT AND HOW THIS ACCOMPLISHED ...
http://bluebonnetfeeds.com/is-your-horses-feed-safe-to-consume/
Have a good day
and use the KISS system to better the health of your horses..
Do they not use the same equipment for mixing the loose minerals that they use for mixing the medicated minerals and feed? I am confused because I understood that it was all the same equipment. If I am mistaken, I would like to know.
Granulated minerals .. think of it as bulk fertilizers .. it comes in this form and is
added to feeds they pelletize with gluten, grain products etc which makes them look
like regular pelleted feed instead of the typical red loose minerals that look like coarsely
ground up salt.
The minerals are shipped usually by rail cars to major plants that make pelleted feeds
and put into individual hoppers so they can put the recipe for making particular pellets
for various livestock.
Minerals are bagged and shipped from the plant that is processing only the
primary minerals and vitamins and not at the plants that do the pelleted form
of mineral supplements. |
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Location: Pacific Northwest | My horses get beet pulp and alfalfa pellets along with timothy hay, and I add Horse Guard multivitamin to the pellets. |
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| Fairweather - 2015-03-29 1:46 PM
I have a question in regards to testing hay. For those of you that get it tested, what is the cost? Do you test several places in the field, and do you test each cutting?
Our Ag Dept will test. It is only $10, plus a couple of bucks to ship it.
A gallon size freezer bag, a core sample from several bales from multiple places in the field, and mail it in a big envelop. They email or mail the results to you in a week or so. |
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| BARRELHORSE USA - 2015-03-31 12:15 PM
GLP - 2015-03-31 9:47 AM
BARRELHORSE USA - 2015-03-31 1:56 AM
Read my deleted post again and try to comprehend there is
no mention of using the pelletized GroStrong in any form
other than the loose pure granulated form.
And this also goes for supplements of various names that
are made from rejected human supplements that are re-pelletized
to be fed to your horses .. with good marketing skills feed and
vaccine companies have learned horse people will buy anything
and do things to their horses that would have them in prison
if they did it to their kids... lol
I enjoy seeing and reading other factual suggestions on horse
care and always wonder about those that use slurs and dizzy
little icons with no knowledgeable information to add to the conversation.
For those that like factual information ... I think you will enjoy these 3 links ..
Content of LOOSE ADM // MOORMAN GroStrong Minerals
http://www.admani.com/horse/Products/Horse%20Grostrong%20Minerals.h...
Nice straight forward article explaining some things you may see when
a lack of certain minerals affect your horses ..
http://www.neverbluefarm.com/articles/nutrition_article_1.html
IONOPHERE FREE PLANT AND HOW THIS ACCOMPLISHED ...
http://bluebonnetfeeds.com/is-your-horses-feed-safe-to-consume/
Have a good day
and use the KISS system to better the health of your horses..
Do they not use the same equipment for mixing the loose minerals that they use for mixing the medicated minerals and feed? I am confused because I understood that it was all the same equipment. If I am mistaken, I would like to know.
Granulated minerals .. think of it as bulk fertilizers .. it comes in this form and is
added to feeds they pelletize with gluten, grain products etc which makes them look
like regular pelleted feed instead of the typical red loose minerals that look like coarsely
ground up salt.
The minerals are shipped usually by rail cars to major plants that make pelleted feeds
and put into individual hoppers so they can put the recipe for making particular pellets
for various livestock.
Minerals are bagged and shipped from the plant that is processing only the
primary minerals and vitamins and not at the plants that do the pelleted form
of mineral supplements.
Thank you that was what I was wanting to know |
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| We have very nice alfalfa in the NW. I feed alfalfa, all the can eat pasture or grass hay depending on the time of year, I used to feed a mix but was more grass now I am feeding more alfalfa and was able to simplify everything else. Up until this winter I fed expensive supplements, omelene. The list goes on. I decided to simplify. Mine now get a couple lbs of oats, daily gold, and their tight joints plus with a little oil. I am about 4 months into it. My horses look awesome, are running great, much calmer, and all blood work is great. Even my hard keeper is fat. Good quality alfalfa will do a lot for a horse.
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Location: NC | Is everyone feeding Alfalfa pellets? Or are we talking bales of Alfalfa? I was thinking of replacing Alfalfa pellets for my grain. They are on pasture and fescue round bales 24/7. |
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | BARRELHORSE USA - 2015-03-31 2:56 AM Read my deleted post again and try to comprehend there is no mention of using the pelletized GroStrong in any form other than the loose pure granulated form. And this also goes for supplements of various names that are made from rejected human supplements that are re-pelletized to be fed to your horses .. with good marketing skills feed and vaccine companies have learned horse people will buy anything and do things to their horses that would have them in prison if they did it to their kids... lol I enjoy seeing and reading other factual suggestions on horse care and always wonder about those that use slurs and dizzy little icons with no knowledgeable information to add to the conversation. For those that like factual information ... I think you will enjoy these 3 links .. Content of LOOSE ADM // MOORMAN GroStrong Minerals http://www.admani.com/horse/Products/Horse%20Grostrong%20Minerals.h... Nice straight forward article explaining some things you may see when a lack of certain minerals affect your horses .. http://www.neverbluefarm.com/articles/nutrition_article_1.html IONOPHERE FREE PLANT AND HOW THIS ACCOMPLISHED ... http://bluebonnetfeeds.com/is-your-horses-feed-safe-to-consume/ Have a good day and use the KISS system to better the health of your horses..
While I actually love the Gro Strong Minerals from ADM - since I had the poisoning at my home (ADM came to my home) and acted like I and the rest of us with contaminated feed are idoits - I refuse to buy their minerals.
My personal opinion is - horse people need to stop supporting companies who choose to look the other way and think we are a bunch of dumb asses and they can keep on with their bad manufacturing practices. The only way to make them change is through the pocket book.
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Location: Oklahoma | HorsesNHarleys - 2015-03-31 2:20 PM Is everyone feeding Alfalfa pellets? Or are we talking bales of Alfalfa? I was thinking of replacing Alfalfa pellets for my grain. They are on pasture and fescue round bales 24/7.
I feed flakes from square bales. They have 24/7 access to bermuda grass, but once they finish that round bale up I am going to get them a 3x3x8 alfalfa bale and set in their round bale feeder and just buy square bales for hauling since grass is coming up and they prefer that over hay. They just look so much better on alfalfa than anything else.
Unless you have a horse that just can't chew the cubes and has to have the pellets I'd go for the cubes and soak them. The pellets don't offer as near as much fiber/roughage content.
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Location: Beggs, OK | BARRELHORSE USA - 2015-03-31 12:15 PM GLP - 2015-03-31 9:47 AM BARRELHORSE USA - 2015-03-31 1:56 AM Read my deleted post again and try to comprehend there is no mention of using the pelletized GroStrong in any form other than the loose pure granulated form. And this also goes for supplements of various names that are made from rejected human supplements that are re-pelletized to be fed to your horses .. with good marketing skills feed and vaccine companies have learned horse people will buy anything and do things to their horses that would have them in prison if they did it to their kids... lol I enjoy seeing and reading other factual suggestions on horse care and always wonder about those that use slurs and dizzy little icons with no knowledgeable information to add to the conversation. For those that like factual information ... I think you will enjoy these 3 links .. Content of LOOSE ADM // MOORMAN GroStrong Minerals http://www.admani.com/horse/Products/Horse%20Grostrong%20Minerals.h... Nice straight forward article explaining some things you may see when a lack of certain minerals affect your horses .. http://www.neverbluefarm.com/articles/nutrition_article_1.html IONOPHERE FREE PLANT AND HOW THIS ACCOMPLISHED ... http://bluebonnetfeeds.com/is-your-horses-feed-safe-to-consume/ Have a good day and use the KISS system to better the health of your horses.. Do they not use the same equipment for mixing the loose minerals that they use for mixing the medicated minerals and feed? I am confused because I understood that it was all the same equipment. If I am mistaken, I would like to know. Granulated minerals .. think of it as bulk fertilizers .. it comes in this form and is added to feeds they pelletize with gluten, grain products etc which makes them look like regular pelleted feed instead of the typical red loose minerals that look like coarsely ground up salt. The minerals are shipped usually by rail cars to major plants that make pelleted feeds and put into individual hoppers so they can put the recipe for making particular pellets for various livestock. Minerals are bagged and shipped from the plant that is processing only the primary minerals and vitamins and not at the plants that do the pelleted form of mineral supplements.
It doesn't matter what the process is...if the facility mixes medicated feeds there is a risk of contamination. Even the bagging process is at risk.
Continuing to support a company that has little to no regard for the safety or welfare of our horses is unconscionable. Their handling of the contaminated feed in the SE United States is enough to keep me from ever buying another ADM product again. I will continue to educate others on the toxic effects of residual drug carryover for the rest of my life. No amount of an ionophore is "safe" for a horse to consume.
Random colics, digestive issues, hind end weakness, muscle wasting, chronic ulcers, liver disease, heart failure, neurotoxicity, impaired performance, etc can all be attributed to chronic low level exposure to ionophores. When these products are being produced in the same facility as horse feed your horses safety is left up to the reliability of the human in charge. |
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| For those of you feeding alfalfa pellets are you substituting them for your grain? Do you soak the pellets for easier digestion..the seem pretty hard. |
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Location: WYOMING | I feed alfalfa pellets in place of grain. Its about all my allergic horse can eat. I mix in some Timothy pellets and rice bran pellets also. Pasture 24/7. Sometimes I switch out for soaked alfalfa cubes. This has worked SO good I changed everyone to it. Oh no I dont soak the pellets but I do feed ground level in a big tub so there is less likelyhood to scarf them down amd choke. |
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