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astreakinchic - 2015-04-22 12:14 PM So i googled and an old thread of yours came up. It sounded like a rep for the company responded. Can anyone who is a rep PLEASE chime in? Also, I noticed on other forums vets have recommended the 7 shot series. Most vets have told me i'm wasting money and its just for my piece of mind to give it, but I like the idea of using adequan as it was intended in its 7 shot series. I wanna add I spoke with Dr. White a few years ago and he never mentioned using it twice yearly as series. I consider him one of the foremost experts on it. Â FLITASTICÂ is 100% right... I was at Dr. Doug Brunk's clinic in Grand Island, NE last summer with my horse and an adequan rep was there. I got to chat with him and he filled me in on some new interesting info that they do not recommend the once a month shot... But instead to do a series twice a year. Like while you are legging your horse up then again when you notice any decline in performance over the course of your season... which maybe 4 months, 6 months, ect. into your season... its better to load it in the horse's system with the series to get the full effect of the anti inflammatory properties of it instead of once a month. The once a month shot really doesnt do much after 4 days... It actually only stays in their system for 4 days anyways.... hence the one shot every 92 hours/4 days in the 7 shot series. So to actually treat any inflammation you have to keep it in their system continuous for the 28 days. A shot here and there like the once a month, even after you did the series, is not effective.
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WetSaddleBlankets - 2015-04-22 11:58 PM
astreakinchic - 2015-04-22 12:14 PM So i googled and an old thread of yours came up. It sounded like a rep for the company responded. Can anyone who is a rep PLEASE chime in? Also, I noticed on other forums vets have recommended the 7 shot series. Most vets have told me i'm wasting money and its just for my piece of mind to give it, but I like the idea of using adequan as it was intended in its 7 shot series. I wanna add I spoke with Dr. White a few years ago and he never mentioned using it twice yearly as series. I consider him one of the foremost experts on it. Â FLITASTICÂ is 100% right... I was at Dr. Doug Brunk's clinic in Grand Island, NE last summer with my horse and an adequan rep was there. I got to chat with him and he filled me in on some new interesting info that they do not recommend the once a month shot... But instead to do a series twice a year. Like while you are legging your horse up then again when you notice any decline in performance over the course of your season... which maybe 4 months, 6 months, ect. into your season... its better to load it in the horse's system with the series to get the full effect of the anti inflammatory properties of it instead of once a month. The once a month shot really doesnt do much after 4 days... It actually only stays in their system for 4 days anyways.... hence the one shot every 92 hours/4 days in the 7 shot series. So to actually treat any inflammation you have to keep it in their system continuous for the 28 days. A shot here and there like the once a month, even after you did the series, is not effective.
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WetSaddleBlankets - 2015-04-22 11:58 PM
astreakinchic - 2015-04-22 12:14 PM So i googled and an old thread of yours came up. It sounded like a rep for the company responded. Can anyone who is a rep PLEASE chime in? Also, I noticed on other forums vets have recommended the 7 shot series. Most vets have told me i'm wasting money and its just for my piece of mind to give it, but I like the idea of using adequan as it was intended in its 7 shot series. I wanna add I spoke with Dr. White a few years ago and he never mentioned using it twice yearly as series. I consider him one of the foremost experts on it. Â FLITASTICÂ is 100% right... I was at Dr. Doug Brunk's clinic in Grand Island, NE last summer with my horse and an adequan rep was there. I got to chat with him and he filled me in on some new interesting info that they do not recommend the once a month shot... But instead to do a series twice a year. Like while you are legging your horse up then again when you notice any decline in performance over the course of your season... which maybe 4 months, 6 months, ect. into your season... its better to load it in the horse's system with the series to get the full effect of the anti inflammatory properties of it instead of once a month. The once a month shot really doesnt do much after 4 days... It actually only stays in their system for 4 days anyways.... hence the one shot every 92 hours/4 days in the 7 shot series. So to actually treat any inflammation you have to keep it in their system continuous for the 28 days. A shot here and there like the once a month, even after you did the series, is not effective.
Thank you for posting!
This is what I was told when I contacted a rep as well.
Thanks! I was trying to find the actual evidence and put a call into my vet but she is a repro specialist and I don't think she sleeps from January 1-May1!!! Like literally. SHe spends hours and hours and various QH and thorobred farms during breeding season. I beg and plead to get an appointment. But she is good. I did text her for the research and she hadnt got back to me yet. |
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| FLITASTIC - 2015-04-23 10:16 AM
ampratt - 2015-04-23 6:02 AM
astreakinchic - 2015-04-23 7:42 AM
WetSaddleBlankets - 2015-04-22 11:58 PM
astreakinchic - 2015-04-22 12:14 PM So i googled and an old thread of yours came up. It sounded like a rep for the company responded. Can anyone who is a rep PLEASE chime in? Also, I noticed on other forums vets have recommended the 7 shot series. Most vets have told me i'm wasting money and its just for my piece of mind to give it, but I like the idea of using adequan as it was intended in its 7 shot series. I wanna add I spoke with Dr. White a few years ago and he never mentioned using it twice yearly as series. I consider him one of the foremost experts on it. Â FLITASTICÂ is 100% right... I was at Dr. Doug Brunk's clinic in Grand Island, NE last summer with my horse and an adequan rep was there. I got to chat with him and he filled me in on some new interesting info that they do not recommend the once a month shot... But instead to do a series twice a year. Like while you are legging your horse up then again when you notice any decline in performance over the course of your season... which maybe 4 months, 6 months, ect. into your season... its better to load it in the horse's system with the series to get the full effect of the anti inflammatory properties of it instead of once a month. The once a month shot really doesnt do much after 4 days... It actually only stays in their system for 4 days anyways.... hence the one shot every 92 hours/4 days in the 7 shot series. So to actually treat any inflammation you have to keep it in their system continuous for the 28 days. A shot here and there like the once a month, even after you did the series, is not effective.
Thank you for posting!
This is what I was told when I contacted a rep as well.
Thanks! I was trying to find the actual evidence and put a call into my vet but she is a repro specialist and I don't think she sleeps from January 1-May1!!! Like literally. SHe spends hours and hours and various QH and thorobred farms during breeding season. I beg and plead to get an appointment. But she is good. I did text her for the research and she hadnt got back to me yet.
No need.....called a rep....rep informed me they are in the process for getting new material out to the public about the twice a year series.....thanks everyone on here for the info! 
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Location: Texas | FLITASTIC is 100% right... I was at Dr. Doug Brunk's clinic in Grand Island, NE last summer with my horse and an adequan rep was there. I got to chat with him and he filled me in on some new interesting info that they do not recommend the once a month shot... But instead to do a series twice a year. Like while you are legging your horse up then again when you notice any decline in performance over the course of your season... which maybe 4 months, 6 months, ect. into your season... its better to load it in the horse's system with the series to get the full effect of the anti inflammatory properties of it instead of once a month. The once a month shot really doesnt do much after 4 days... It actually only stays in their system for 4 days anyways.... hence the one shot every 92 hours/4 days in the 7 shot series. So to actually treat any inflammation you have to keep it in their system continuous for the 28 days. A shot here and there like the once a month, even after you did the series, is not effective.
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Location: Central Texas | TBone - 2015-04-24 8:25 AM
 FLITASTIC  is 100% right... I was at Dr. Doug Brunk's clinic in Grand Island, NE last summer with my horse and an adequan rep was there. I got to chat with him and he filled me in on some new interesting info that they do not recommend the once a month shot... But instead to do a series twice a year. Like while you are legging your horse up then again when you notice any decline in performance over the course of your season... which maybe 4 months, 6 months, ect. into your season... its better to load it in the horse's system with the series to get the full effect of the anti inflammatory properties of it instead of once a month. The once a month shot really doesnt do much after 4 days... It actually only stays in their system for 4 days anyways.... hence the one shot every 92 hours/4 days in the 7 shot series. So to actually treat any inflammation you have to keep it in their system continuous for the 28 days. A shot here and there like the once a month, even after you did the series, is not effective.Would this hold true for the Pentosan as well?
Interesting question and I am looking forward to any replies. The only info I am finding advises to do the loading dose for either 4 or 6 injections 5-7 days apart and if at any time during the following 6 month period the horse becomes sore it is safe to administer a further injection to settle any inflammatory process. It did not say anything about monthly/bi weekly injections being beneficial other than the settling of any inflammatory process that may have occurred to a strenous workout or competition and that some owners chose to keep performance horses on that regime. Would love to have a more concrete opinion before I do bi weekly/monthly injections that maybe of little value. |
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| Your not going to find concrete evidence on pentosan probably. It's not an FDA approved product. But I love it and use it with awesome results. I have a horse with coffin joint arthritis. Used to get injected every few months. Has not been injected in over a year. I do load dose 2x year and give it to him when needed. That's about every 6-7 weeks. |
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Your not going to find concrete evidence on pentosan probably. It's not an FDA approved product. But I love it and use it with awesome results. I have a horse with coffin joint arthritis. Used to get injected every few months. Has not been injected in over a year. I do load dose 2x year and give it to him when needed. That's about every 6-7 weeks.
Yes, I figured that might be the issue on finding hard evidence. I just completed the 4 injections and am trying to figure out a protocol now. I had also planned on doing the loading dose every 6 months. Ummm what to do? Thanks for your input. |
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| Several years ago I would have said oral was a waste, back when MSM, Chondortin, etc was all we had. Then came along Myristol ingredients, and HA being added....And then I had arthritic knees and went on NSAIDs but had to quit. I started on a supplement with HA and it worked better than the NSAID.
So, I took a second look, especially those with HA and an additive like Krill oil that helps get it into the joints. I found with with the myristol ingredients and HA, and saw a differnce in my horses, similar to what I experienced. Might check these out before you nix all oral supplements. |
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| TBone - 2015-04-24 9:25 AM
 FLITASTIC  is 100% right... I was at Dr. Doug Brunk's clinic in Grand Island, NE last summer with my horse and an adequan rep was there. I got to chat with him and he filled me in on some new interesting info that they do not recommend the once a month shot... But instead to do a series twice a year. Like while you are legging your horse up then again when you notice any decline in performance over the course of your season... which maybe 4 months, 6 months, ect. into your season... its better to load it in the horse's system with the series to get the full effect of the anti inflammatory properties of it instead of once a month. The once a month shot really doesnt do much after 4 days... It actually only stays in their system for 4 days anyways.... hence the one shot every 92 hours/4 days in the 7 shot series. So to actually treat any inflammation you have to keep it in their system continuous for the 28 days. A shot here and there like the once a month, even after you did the series, is not effective.Would this hold true for the Pentosan as well?
NO it works through a slightly different mechanism. I would be scared putting that much blood thinner into the body at one time as well.... |
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| astreakinchic - 2015-04-27 5:29 AM
TBone - 2015-04-24 9:25 AM
 FLITASTIC  is 100% right... I was at Dr. Doug Brunk's clinic in Grand Island, NE last summer with my horse and an adequan rep was there. I got to chat with him and he filled me in on some new interesting info that they do not recommend the once a month shot... But instead to do a series twice a year. Like while you are legging your horse up then again when you notice any decline in performance over the course of your season... which maybe 4 months, 6 months, ect. into your season... its better to load it in the horse's system with the series to get the full effect of the anti inflammatory properties of it instead of once a month. The once a month shot really doesnt do much after 4 days... It actually only stays in their system for 4 days anyways.... hence the one shot every 92 hours/4 days in the 7 shot series. So to actually treat any inflammation you have to keep it in their system continuous for the 28 days. A shot here and there like the once a month, even after you did the series, is not effective.Would this hold true for the Pentosan as well?
NO it works through a slightly different mechanism. I would be scared putting that much blood thinner into the body at one time as well....
Just a little factoid but actual research shows that with Pentosan the blood thinning effect is essentially gone after 36 hours but the joint repair properties continue to work after that point. And the blood thinning effect is mild to begin with. Thats why I give my horse minimum 2 days before he runs after giving pentosan but usually 3 days. If running on a weekend I try give it monday/Tuesday. Latest Wednesday. |
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| FLITASTIC - 2015-04-27 9:31 AM
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TBone - 2015-04-24 9:25 AM
 FLITASTIC  is 100% right... I was at Dr. Doug Brunk's clinic in Grand Island, NE last summer with my horse and an adequan rep was there. I got to chat with him and he filled me in on some new interesting info that they do not recommend the once a month shot... But instead to do a series twice a year. Like while you are legging your horse up then again when you notice any decline in performance over the course of your season... which maybe 4 months, 6 months, ect. into your season... its better to load it in the horse's system with the series to get the full effect of the anti inflammatory properties of it instead of once a month. The once a month shot really doesnt do much after 4 days... It actually only stays in their system for 4 days anyways.... hence the one shot every 92 hours/4 days in the 7 shot series. So to actually treat any inflammation you have to keep it in their system continuous for the 28 days. A shot here and there like the once a month, even after you did the series, is not effective.Would this hold true for the Pentosan as well?
NO it works through a slightly different mechanism. I would be scared putting that much blood thinner into the body at one time as well....
Just a little factoid but actual research shows that with Pentosan the blood thinning effect is essentially gone after 36 hours but the joint repair properties continue to work after that point. And the blood thinning effect is mild to begin with. Thats why I give my horse minimum 2 days before he runs after giving pentosan but usually 3 days. If running on a weekend I try give it monday/Tuesday. Latest Wednesday.
Very true but i've got one who got a pretty bad lung infection after bleeding with a past owner and i'm just not willing to take that risk. I've had vets advise me not to risk it with pentosan. |
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| astreakinchic - 2015-04-27 6:54 AM
FLITASTIC - 2015-04-27 9:31 AM
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TBone - 2015-04-24 9:25 AM
 FLITASTIC  is 100% right... I was at Dr. Doug Brunk's clinic in Grand Island, NE last summer with my horse and an adequan rep was there. I got to chat with him and he filled me in on some new interesting info that they do not recommend the once a month shot... But instead to do a series twice a year. Like while you are legging your horse up then again when you notice any decline in performance over the course of your season... which maybe 4 months, 6 months, ect. into your season... its better to load it in the horse's system with the series to get the full effect of the anti inflammatory properties of it instead of once a month. The once a month shot really doesnt do much after 4 days... It actually only stays in their system for 4 days anyways.... hence the one shot every 92 hours/4 days in the 7 shot series. So to actually treat any inflammation you have to keep it in their system continuous for the 28 days. A shot here and there like the once a month, even after you did the series, is not effective.Would this hold true for the Pentosan as well?
NO it works through a slightly different mechanism. I would be scared putting that much blood thinner into the body at one time as well....
Just a little factoid but actual research shows that with Pentosan the blood thinning effect is essentially gone after 36 hours but the joint repair properties continue to work after that point. And the blood thinning effect is mild to begin with. Thats why I give my horse minimum 2 days before he runs after giving pentosan but usually 3 days. If running on a weekend I try give it monday/Tuesday. Latest Wednesday.
Very true but i've got one who got a pretty bad lung infection after bleeding with a past owner and i'm just not willing to take that risk. I've had vets advise me not to risk it with pentosan.
Absolutely true. Each horse is different. My good horse had severe lung infection as a baby and has scar tissue. The pentosan actually HELPS him by getting the blood flowing better etc.. So interesting. |
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| FLITASTIC - 2015-04-27 12:25 PM
astreakinchic - 2015-04-27 6:54 AM
FLITASTIC - 2015-04-27 9:31 AM
astreakinchic - 2015-04-27 5:29 AM
TBone - 2015-04-24 9:25 AM
 FLITASTIC  is 100% right... I was at Dr. Doug Brunk's clinic in Grand Island, NE last summer with my horse and an adequan rep was there. I got to chat with him and he filled me in on some new interesting info that they do not recommend the once a month shot... But instead to do a series twice a year. Like while you are legging your horse up then again when you notice any decline in performance over the course of your season... which maybe 4 months, 6 months, ect. into your season... its better to load it in the horse's system with the series to get the full effect of the anti inflammatory properties of it instead of once a month. The once a month shot really doesnt do much after 4 days... It actually only stays in their system for 4 days anyways.... hence the one shot every 92 hours/4 days in the 7 shot series. So to actually treat any inflammation you have to keep it in their system continuous for the 28 days. A shot here and there like the once a month, even after you did the series, is not effective.Would this hold true for the Pentosan as well?
NO it works through a slightly different mechanism. I would be scared putting that much blood thinner into the body at one time as well....
Just a little factoid but actual research shows that with Pentosan the blood thinning effect is essentially gone after 36 hours but the joint repair properties continue to work after that point. And the blood thinning effect is mild to begin with. Thats why I give my horse minimum 2 days before he runs after giving pentosan but usually 3 days. If running on a weekend I try give it monday/Tuesday. Latest Wednesday.
Very true but i've got one who got a pretty bad lung infection after bleeding with a past owner and i'm just not willing to take that risk. I've had vets advise me not to risk it with pentosan.
Absolutely true. Each horse is different. My good horse had severe lung infection as a baby and has scar tissue. The pentosan actually HELPS him by getting the blood flowing better etc.. So interesting.
hmmm never had it explain to me that way. |
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