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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | THE has a natural supplement called Pulmonez that has worked great for a lot of my customers. Some quit lasix completely, some go to minimal dosage. |
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Location: NE Texas | So your horse is bleeding through the Lasix? I'm not quite sure I understand why you think it doesn't work based on what you're describing.
I have a colt that we use Lung Aid on and it has calmed down his allergies and respiratory issues.
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Location: Great Places Great Faces | heidiinaz - 2015-02-12 8:27 AM He does not pee when I give it to him. I tried three hours out and four hours out and different dosage as recommend by my vet. What other products have you tried that WORKED? Thanks so much I am frustrated
If your using the brand name lasix call Merck Animal Health tech service and explain your issues, they are good with recommendations . |
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Location: Texas | an adverse effect is like- a reaction to a drug. like, if your horse was given lasix and he then got clinically dehydrated.. that's an AE to lasix.
i would measure the efficacy of lasix working by the horse not bleeding anymore, i wouldn't look at urination. He may be holding his bladder. If you want to know its working, run on the dose the vet says, then scope right after. I have had horses that do not urinate with lasix.. and i have had others that do. |
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| casualdust07 - 2015-02-12 10:42 AM
an adverse effect is like- a reaction to a drug. like, if your horse was given lasix and he then got clinically dehydrated.. that's an AE to lasix.
i would measure the efficacy of lasix working by the horse not bleeding anymore, i wouldn't look at urination. He may be holding his bladder. If you want to know its working, run on the dose the vet says, then scope right after. I have had horses that do not urinate with lasix.. and i have had others that do.
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| Should have clarified he is bleeding through the LASix. I have talked to me vet multiple times and he we have switched does many times. He does hold his urine. And he will cough and bleed about 20 min after running him. He is on Lasix not a generic |
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Location: Cap'n Joan Rotgut.....alberta | how much are you giving him..and how are you giving it to him
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I wouldn't call this an adverse effect, I would say this drug is ineffective, there is a big difference.
Poor kidney function, I would have kidney function tests done before Lasix, then I would administer the Lasix wait till peak time, then have the same tests drawn including lytes to see what the horses body is doing.
There is one other drug out there I can't remember, some people have success with, but this is a conversation with your vet, if he is not knowledgable enough, find another vet who is current |
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Location: WI | It's probably been looked at already but be sure that the bottle you are using is up to date, and has not been in cold weather. I have had bottles go bad and have no effect after not being kept in room temperature. |
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| the drug she is talking about is carbazochrome.. or something like that aka "Kentucky Red".. I used it and ventipulmin and it kept the horse from bleeding.. I ordered mine from Weatherford and there name for it is "tourniquet" but have also used the actual "Kentucky Red" brand. Could also try guanabenz or ace as they lower BP... which is what a duertetic ultimately does. I haven't tried PULMON-EZ but loved the muscle mass from T. H. E... and lung aid by choice of champions helped my bleeder a lot. Message me if you havbe any additional questions about any of this. |
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Location: At the race track with Ah Dee Ohs | alp341 - 2015-02-12 1:25 PM the drug she is talking about is carbazochrome.. or something like that aka "Kentucky Red".. I used it and ventipulmin and it kept the horse from bleeding.. I ordered mine from Weatherford and there name for it is "tourniquet" but have also used the actual "Kentucky Red" brand. Could also try guanabenz or ace as they lower BP... which is what a duertetic ultimately does. I haven't tried PULMON-EZ but loved the muscle mass from T. H. E... and lung aid by choice of champions helped my bleeder a lot. Message me if you havbe any additional questions about any of this.
So she hasn't actually given "lasix"? Just using Kentucky Red? |
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| total performance - 2015-02-12 2:57 PM
alp341 - 2015-02-12 1:25 PM the drug she is talking about is carbazochrome.. or something like that aka "Kentucky Red".. I used it and ventipulmin and it kept the horse from bleeding.. I ordered mine from Weatherford and there name for it is "tourniquet" but have also used the actual "Kentucky Red" brand. Could also try guanabenz or ace as they lower BP... which is what a duertetic ultimately does. I haven't tried PULMON-EZ but loved the muscle mass from T. H. E... and lung aid by choice of champions helped my bleeder a lot. Message me if you havbe any additional questions about any of this.
So she hasn't actually given "lasix"? Just using Kentucky Red?
I think she was addressing my post, I said there is a different medication that has been used instead of Lasix and I couldn't remember the name |
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Location: At the race track with Ah Dee Ohs | cheryl makofka - 2015-02-12 4:00 PM total performance - 2015-02-12 2:57 PM alp341 - 2015-02-12 1:25 PM the drug she is talking about is carbazochrome.. or something like that aka "Kentucky Red".. I used it and ventipulmin and it kept the horse from bleeding.. I ordered mine from Weatherford and there name for it is "tourniquet" but have also used the actual "Kentucky Red" brand. Could also try guanabenz or ace as they lower BP... which is what a duertetic ultimately does. I haven't tried PULMON-EZ but loved the muscle mass from T. H. E... and lung aid by choice of champions helped my bleeder a lot. Message me if you havbe any additional questions about any of this. So she hasn't actually given "lasix"? Just using Kentucky Red? I think she was addressing my post, I said there is a different medication that has been used instead of Lasix and I couldn't remember the name
Oh oops! I was confused. |
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Location: Somewhere between S@%&# stirrer and Saint | I want to hear how much Lasix u R giving the horse and how long b4 you run it. |
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Location: Sunny So Cal | Have you given your horse any time off so the capillaries can heal? It's kind of like there is a scab over them so they are more susceptible to bursting open again and bleeding. I use THE Pulmon-EZ and love it. But I also gave my horse 8 weeks off. I was told otherwise it was going to be a vicious cycle until I do. It made sense when they explained everything to me. give Krystal a call |
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| I'm having the same issue! Bleeding through lasixs and k red 2 hours out!! I think you should pump some type of lung powder and time off may help.. |
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Location: South MS | heidiinaz - 2015-02-12 9:27 AM He does not pee when I give it to him. I tried three hours out and four hours out and different dosage as recommend by my vet. What other products have you tried that WORKED? Thanks so much I am frustrated I have a bleeder - I give Lasix iv 3 hours out (5cc) and Kentucky Red iv (5cc) 4 hours out
How long are you giving him with what ~cc? - if you do lasix IM it may take 5-6 hours
My gelding will bleed thru lasix - I am actually trying to back off the lasix since using Kentucky Red - I tried every supplement I could get my hands on and nothing worked for my gelding except this combo. I also give paste electrolytes right before I get on to warm up and I use airpower just to help make sure he feels good!
I will say if I dont ride my gelding 5 days a week and get him sweating and breathing hard he is more likely to have issues
I trot for 20-30 minutes and lope 20-30 minutes and I dont do the barrels - I do dry work (forward laterals, roll backs, spins, spirals) anyhting I can do to get him breathing - I will walk him some in between but I work him hard
I will say if mine has a bleed I give him 10-14 days off riding so let everything heal and will do antibiotics as well to make sure he does get an infection
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Location: Somewhere between S@%&# stirrer and Saint | I am still wondering why no answers to the dosage question a and time and IM or IV. |
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