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Location: sunny california | cheryl makofka - 2015-07-13 8:04 AM Zebra racer - 2015-07-13 9:19 AM FlyingHigh1454 - 2015-07-10 12:31 PM I really have been debating on whether or not to give my two cents, but here goes nothing. If you have enough money burning a hole in your pocket to buy a 15k horse on someone's word, then cough up the money to get a GOOD care team in place, sounds like this horse is in pain and nothing is being done about it. You cannot call a horse a POS just because he is hurt and his owner rides him anyways. That's asking for trouble and whatever happens is on the owner, NOT the horse. I have a POS horse, and he is going to live in my back pasture til the day he dies. Because I will NOT be liable when he kills someone (and he would if given the chance). He has a running total of 2 broken backs, 3 broken arms, and 2 severe concussions under his belt from the 'cowboys' who said there was nothing wrong with him. We spent over 10k on diagnosing him alone, and he was 16 when I got him. Turns out he's just a counterfeit bronc, he is in amazing health. It's a shame because this gelding could run a 20 second pole pattern in his sleep. Too bad it took 3 people, a blindfold and hobbles to get him in the arena. He's completely psychotic. He has calmed down quite a bit in the pasture these past 3 years of retirement, My brother actually rode him bareback in a halter at a walk for the first time in years the other day and he was ok, but that's about as far as we will push his good behavior, even at 26 years old. haha ETA: I'm not calling her stupid or anything, I know how it feels when a horse is misrepresented. ^^That gelding was given to be as a dead head trail horse who they put their 5 year olds on....You see how well that went huh? See that is where you are judgmental and wrong. She spent more than the average cost of a horse that was being run in his current condition. She knew to have a vet check, it just wasn't extensive enough. Have you ever done an echocardiogram? What all have you tested for on blood tests? Did you scope your last purchase? I would love proof of you bill to confirm. She saw the sellers later at a big race and they told her she was babying the horse and to just run him. My bet is her team as you call it is likely better than most replying to this post. The POS is my opinion, not hers. That is why she wants to do the right thing and disclose his condition and it is a long laundry list of issues that she has spent thousands on. She has bought several fixer uppers for $2500-$5000- she doesn't have money burning a hole in her pocket. She tried to upgrade her purchases and did a vet check. You are better than I, I would not feed a counterfeit bronc, as you have called him, till his death, sounds like you might also have money burning a hole in your pocket? She does not and that is why she most likely is putting him down next week. No liability and no commitment to a horse that has not done the job he was purchased to do. There is no emotional connection. She was just trying to repair him in hopes he would have a chance but it looks as if he wont. My bet is she could list him on here for $1000 and folks would line up in effort to fix him. Hell, several have sent me messages offering. Personally I would be giving the horse to someone who thinks they could resolve the issues the horse has. I don't believe in euthanizing a horse who is young, and can live comfortably in a pasture. To me euthanizing a horse like this is abuse and is what PETA does. As from what you have said the horse isn't dangerous on the ground, and wasn't dangerous with the previous owners. This tells me it is her. It could be as simple as a personality conflict.
so do you want to pension this horse? we have all heard of scams where they say they are going to take your unwanted horse and he will live a happy retirement then off to mexico he goes or wait sometimes they just patch them up and sell them to someone so the cycle continues. when a horse has talent and training it is hard to find someone that will pension your horse for you, they all think they can be the one to fix him and then they make their buck. the only one suffereing here is the horse. It really depends on what his problems are, some things are just not fixable.
I can only pension the problems i create. so if i breed one, then i feel I owe it, if a horse gives me everything and I cripple it then I owe it, but i can't be expected to pay for years for every problem that someone else creates.
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cheryl makofka - 2015-07-13 8:04 AM Zebra racer - 2015-07-13 9:19 AM FlyingHigh1454 - 2015-07-10 12:31 PM I really have been debating on whether or not to give my two cents, but here goes nothing. If you have enough money burning a hole in your pocket to buy a 15k horse on someone's word, then cough up the money to get a GOOD care team in place, sounds like this horse is in pain and nothing is being done about it. You cannot call a horse a POS just because he is hurt and his owner rides him anyways. That's asking for trouble and whatever happens is on the owner, NOT the horse. I have a POS horse, and he is going to live in my back pasture til the day he dies. Because I will NOT be liable when he kills someone (and he would if given the chance). He has a running total of 2 broken backs, 3 broken arms, and 2 severe concussions under his belt from the 'cowboys' who said there was nothing wrong with him. We spent over 10k on diagnosing him alone, and he was 16 when I got him. Turns out he's just a counterfeit bronc, he is in amazing health. It's a shame because this gelding could run a 20 second pole pattern in his sleep. Too bad it took 3 people, a blindfold and hobbles to get him in the arena. He's completely psychotic. He has calmed down quite a bit in the pasture these past 3 years of retirement, My brother actually rode him bareback in a halter at a walk for the first time in years the other day and he was ok, but that's about as far as we will push his good behavior, even at 26 years old. haha ETA: I'm not calling her stupid or anything, I know how it feels when a horse is misrepresented. ^^That gelding was given to be as a dead head trail horse who they put their 5 year olds on....You see how well that went huh? See that is where you are judgmental and wrong. She spent more than the average cost of a horse that was being run in his current condition. She knew to have a vet check, it just wasn't extensive enough. Have you ever done an echocardiogram? What all have you tested for on blood tests? Did you scope your last purchase? I would love proof of you bill to confirm. She saw the sellers later at a big race and they told her she was babying the horse and to just run him. My bet is her team as you call it is likely better than most replying to this post. The POS is my opinion, not hers. That is why she wants to do the right thing and disclose his condition and it is a long laundry list of issues that she has spent thousands on. She has bought several fixer uppers for $2500-$5000- she doesn't have money burning a hole in her pocket. She tried to upgrade her purchases and did a vet check. You are better than I, I would not feed a counterfeit bronc, as you have called him, till his death, sounds like you might also have money burning a hole in your pocket? She does not and that is why she most likely is putting him down next week. No liability and no commitment to a horse that has not done the job he was purchased to do. There is no emotional connection. She was just trying to repair him in hopes he would have a chance but it looks as if he wont. My bet is she could list him on here for $1000 and folks would line up in effort to fix him. Hell, several have sent me messages offering. Personally I would be giving the horse to someone who thinks they could resolve the issues the horse has. I don't believe in euthanizing a horse who is young, and can live comfortably in a pasture. To me euthanizing a horse like this is abuse and is what PETA does. As from what you have said the horse isn't dangerous on the ground, and wasn't dangerous with the previous owners. This tells me it is her. It could be as simple as a personality conflict.
I can only pension the problems i create. so if i breed one, then i feel I owe it, if a horse gives me everything and I cripple it then I owe it, but i can't be expected to pay for years for every problem that someone else creates.
I agree!
Cheryl, I don't think I said he was dangerous. She figured he was hurting. Took him to the vet, several times and in between tried to dedicate riding him. It is just not a good purchase. He is not sound today. Vet said it could be a year or never. | |
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FlyingHigh1454 - 2015-07-10 12:31 PM
I really have been debating on whether or not to give my two cents, but here goes nothing.
If you have enough money burning a hole in your pocket to buy a 15k horse on someone's word, then cough up the money to get a GOOD care team in place, sounds like this horse is in pain and nothing is being done about it. You cannot call a horse a POS just because he is hurt and his owner rides him anyways. That's asking for trouble and whatever happens is on the owner, NOT the horse.
I have a POS horse, and he is going to live in my back pasture til the day he dies. Because I will NOT be liable when he kills someone (and he would if given the chance). He has a running total of 2 broken backs, 3 broken arms, and 2 severe concussions under his belt from the 'cowboys' who said there was nothing wrong with him. We spent over 10k on diagnosing him alone, and he was 16 when I got him. Turns out he's just a counterfeit bronc, he is in amazing health. It's a shame because this gelding could run a 20 second pole pattern in his sleep. Too bad it took 3 people, a blindfold and hobbles to get him in the arena. He's completely psychotic. He has calmed down quite a bit in the pasture these past 3 years of retirement, My brother actually rode him bareback in a halter at a walk for the first time in years the other day and he was ok, but that's about as far as we will push his good behavior, even at 26 years old. haha
ETA: I'm not calling her stupid or anything, I know how it feels when a horse is misrepresented. ^^That gelding was given to be as a dead head trail horse who they put their 5 year olds on....You see how well that went huh?
See that is where you are judgmental and wrong. She spent more than the average cost of a horse that was being run in his current condition. She knew to have a vet check, it just wasn't extensive enough. Have you ever done an echocardiogram? What all have you tested for on blood tests? Did you scope your last purchase? I would love proof of you bill to confirm.
She saw the sellers later at a big race and they told her she was babying the horse and to just run him. My bet is her team as you call it is likely better than most replying to this post.
The POS is my opinion, not hers. That is why she wants to do the right thing and disclose his condition and it is a long laundry list of issues that she has spent thousands on. She has bought several fixer uppers for $2500-$5000- she doesn't have money burning a hole in her pocket. She tried to upgrade her purchases and did a vet check.
You are better than I, I would not feed a counterfeit bronc, as you have called him, till his death, sounds like you might also have money burning a hole in your pocket?
She does not and that is why she most likely is putting him down next week. No liability and no commitment to a horse that has not done the job he was purchased to do. There is no emotional connection. She was just trying to repair him in hopes he would have a chance but it looks as if he wont. My bet is she could list him on here for $1000 and folks would line up in effort to fix him. Hell, several have sent me messages offering.
Actually yes, we are very well off in the money area. I could pay 100k for a finished rodeo horse who can win everywhere and it wouldn't put a dent in the bank account. Instead, I buy green or not broke and train up SMART barrel horses. I have found that I train them myself, because it is near impossible to find people who trains them to my liking.
"That is why she most likely is putting him down next week. No liability and no commitment to a horse that has not done the job he was purchased to do. There is no emotional connection." You sound like a heartless ***** to be honest. You make a commitment to a horse the second he becomes yours. I would suggest that you guys get in a new line of business if that's how you feel about your partners. I'm so ****ed off at that comment that I just don't even know what to say. I hope your friend doesn't think that way, because that horse deserves better than you.
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Location: Beggs, OK | FlyingHigh1454 - 2015-07-13 12:02 PM Zebra racer - 2015-07-13 10:19 AM FlyingHigh1454 - 2015-07-10 12:31 PM I really have been debating on whether or not to give my two cents, but here goes nothing. If you have enough money burning a hole in your pocket to buy a 15k horse on someone's word, then cough up the money to get a GOOD care team in place, sounds like this horse is in pain and nothing is being done about it. You cannot call a horse a POS just because he is hurt and his owner rides him anyways. That's asking for trouble and whatever happens is on the owner, NOT the horse. I have a POS horse, and he is going to live in my back pasture til the day he dies. Because I will NOT be liable when he kills someone (and he would if given the chance). He has a running total of 2 broken backs, 3 broken arms, and 2 severe concussions under his belt from the 'cowboys' who said there was nothing wrong with him. We spent over 10k on diagnosing him alone, and he was 16 when I got him. Turns out he's just a counterfeit bronc, he is in amazing health. It's a shame because this gelding could run a 20 second pole pattern in his sleep. Too bad it took 3 people, a blindfold and hobbles to get him in the arena. He's completely psychotic. He has calmed down quite a bit in the pasture these past 3 years of retirement, My brother actually rode him bareback in a halter at a walk for the first time in years the other day and he was ok, but that's about as far as we will push his good behavior, even at 26 years old. haha ETA: I'm not calling her stupid or anything, I know how it feels when a horse is misrepresented. ^^That gelding was given to be as a dead head trail horse who they put their 5 year olds on....You see how well that went huh? See that is where you are judgmental and wrong. She spent more than the average cost of a horse that was being run in his current condition. She knew to have a vet check, it just wasn't extensive enough. Have you ever done an echocardiogram? What all have you tested for on blood tests? Did you scope your last purchase? I would love proof of you bill to confirm. She saw the sellers later at a big race and they told her she was babying the horse and to just run him. My bet is her team as you call it is likely better than most replying to this post. The POS is my opinion, not hers. That is why she wants to do the right thing and disclose his condition and it is a long laundry list of issues that she has spent thousands on. She has bought several fixer uppers for $2500-$5000- she doesn't have money burning a hole in her pocket. She tried to upgrade her purchases and did a vet check. You are better than I, I would not feed a counterfeit bronc, as you have called him, till his death, sounds like you might also have money burning a hole in your pocket? She does not and that is why she most likely is putting him down next week. No liability and no commitment to a horse that has not done the job he was purchased to do. There is no emotional connection. She was just trying to repair him in hopes he would have a chance but it looks as if he wont. My bet is she could list him on here for $1000 and folks would line up in effort to fix him. Hell, several have sent me messages offering. Actually yes, we are very well off in the money area. I could pay 100k for a finished rodeo horse who can win everywhere and it wouldn't put a dent in the bank account. Instead, I buy green or not broke and train up SMART barrel horses. I have found that I train them myself, because it is near impossible to find people who trains them to my liking. "That is why she most likely is putting him down next week. No liability and no commitment to a horse that has not done the job he was purchased to do. There is no emotional connection." You sound like a heartless ***** to be honest. You make a commitment to a horse the second he becomes yours. I would suggest that you guys get in a new line of business if that's how you feel about your partners. I'm so ****ed off at that comment that I just don't even know what to say. I hope your friend doesn't think that way, because that horse deserves better than you. I'm done with this.
That was completely classless and uncalled for. Maybe you could offer some of those dollars you have laying around to provide sanctuary for this horse to be a pet in your pasture? | |
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| Why do people have to bring money in to this? So what if someone has a lot of money to spend on a horse it doesn't affect you so move on. Why don't we keep in mind what the real question was here.
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