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Location: In a happy place | hotbear03 - 2015-07-16 7:24 PM I don't see the owner" ignoring" her horses shortcomings. She put it all out there for everyone to have a shot at her.
The ones making excuses are the ignorant,self righteous poster ( s) that try and cover for the callous comments made to a girl about a horse she's trying to work with.
A horse can rear and not be a " problem" horse. This is not a kid that owns the horse,it's a owner who is Trying to get help.
I'm no Pat Parelli wanna be,but I sure wouldn't tell this girl to send her horse to the " meat pen"
S.M.H at the callousness of the highflying poster.......it's not always black and white when you truly take ownership and responsibility for a life!
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| In my opinion, one of the most common mistakes in barrel racing today, is pushing a horse too hard before they are confident in the pattern and with you. Take things slow, very slow until your horse proves they are confident enough to add speed. The basics have to be all there before you even start to think about speed. Build a strong foundation and build up. A horse should be able to yield his front and hindquarters, pick up correct leads, stop with ease, and listen to your body language all with no head tossing, or pulling at the bit before you even work him on the pattern at all!!
My advice for you is this..
1. Rule out pain, vet check, teeth, chiro, get him feeling good.
2. Send him to a trainer to get the basics polished up, all the things listed above.
3. When you do start him back on barrels, if you do, take it slow!! It might take a year of exhibition lope throughs before you're both confident enough to run. Get someone who is experienced to help you with your riding as well so you will both be ready!
Best of Luck to you both! :)
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | FlyingHigh1454 - 2015-07-16 9:22 PM
hotbear03 - 2015-07-16 8:24 PM
I don't see the owner" ignoring" her horses shortcomings. She put it all out there for everyone to have a shot at her.
The ones making excuses are the ignorant,self righteous poster ( s) that try and cover for the callous comments made to a girl about a horse she's trying to work with.
A horse can rear and not be a " problem" horse. This is not a kid that owns the horse,it's a owner who is Trying to get help.
I'm no Pat Parelli wanna be,but I sure wouldn't tell this girl to send her horse to the " meat pen"
S.M.H at the callousness of the highflying poster.......it's not always black and white when you truly take ownership and responsibility for a life!
I'm not the only one who thinks it or that has said it. So don't play it off as I am. We just aren't blowing smoke either. By ignoring the rearing, which she did, she told that horse that she didn't do anything wrong and that by being stupid, she gets to run. Anyone with a brain can see this is just going to get worse with that outlook. She's made excuses for the behavior, she isn't making the horse be accountable. By not making the horse be accountable, she will be ruined sooner than later.
Any horse that rears does have a problem. Rearing in itself is a problem. One that either needs trained out of them or put up with by people stupider than me, because I won't ride one who makes a habit of it. The first time they rear, you set a precedent with that horse on how you respond. She told that horse, ok you're in charge. Bad response that is going to lead to more problems later.
I may sound harsh, but I just don't want her next post to be 'Severely injured after horse flips over' or worse, see her name in remembrance when she dies from it. Rearing is NOT a joke, sorry if I just take it a bit more seriously than others.
I owned a very nice horse who was an excellent athlete and very forgiving of my shortcomings. He just passed away last February. He used to rear before going in the alley...Not usually real high, but high enough. He would get anxious, and eager to run, because he loved his job. My reaction was to try and take ahold of him, so basically I made him clausterphobic and he had nowhere else to go but up. It was his way of teaching me to use more finesse, and less muscle. I never once felt in danger. That gelding saved my sorry ass more times than I can remember. My point is he reared because of my poor handling.....thank God I had the sense to eventually figure it out. | |
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Location: Arkansas | FlyingHigh1454 - 2015-07-16 9:22 PM
hotbear03 - 2015-07-16 8:24 PM
I don't see the owner" ignoring" her horses shortcomings. She put it all out there for everyone to have a shot at her.
The ones making excuses are the ignorant,self righteous poster ( s) that try and cover for the callous comments made to a girl about a horse she's trying to work with.
A horse can rear and not be a " problem" horse. This is not a kid that owns the horse,it's a owner who is Trying to get help.
I'm no Pat Parelli wanna be,but I sure wouldn't tell this girl to send her horse to the " meat pen"
S.M.H at the callousness of the highflying poster.......it's not always black and white when you truly take ownership and responsibility for a life!
I'm not the only one who thinks it or that has said it. So don't play it off as I am. We just aren't blowing smoke either. By ignoring the rearing, which she did, she told that horse that she didn't do anything wrong and that by being stupid, she gets to run. Anyone with a brain can see this is just going to get worse with that outlook. She's made excuses for the behavior, she isn't making the horse be accountable. By not making the horse be accountable, she will be ruined sooner than later.
Any horse that rears does have a problem. Rearing in itself is a problem. One that either needs trained out of them or put up with by people stupider than me, because I won't ride one who makes a habit of it. The first time they rear, you set a precedent with that horse on how you respond. She told that horse, ok you're in charge. Bad response that is going to lead to more problems later.
I may sound harsh, but I just don't want her next post to be 'Severely injured after horse flips over' or worse, see her name in remembrance when she dies from it. Rearing is NOT a joke, sorry if I just take it a bit more seriously than others.
Did I miss where she said it was a habit? I thought the OP said the rearing was new???? | |
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| Bear - 2015-07-17 11:37 PM
FlyingHigh1454 - 2015-07-16 9:22 PM
hotbear03 - 2015-07-16 8:24 PM
I don't see the owner" ignoring" her horses shortcomings. She put it all out there for everyone to have a shot at her.
The ones making excuses are the ignorant,self righteous poster ( s) that try and cover for the callous comments made to a girl about a horse she's trying to work with.
A horse can rear and not be a " problem" horse. This is not a kid that owns the horse,it's a owner who is Trying to get help.
I'm no Pat Parelli wanna be,but I sure wouldn't tell this girl to send her horse to the " meat pen"
S.M.H at the callousness of the highflying poster.......it's not always black and white when you truly take ownership and responsibility for a life!
I'm not the only one who thinks it or that has said it. So don't play it off as I am. We just aren't blowing smoke either. By ignoring the rearing, which she did, she told that horse that she didn't do anything wrong and that by being stupid, she gets to run. Anyone with a brain can see this is just going to get worse with that outlook. She's made excuses for the behavior, she isn't making the horse be accountable. By not making the horse be accountable, she will be ruined sooner than later.
Any horse that rears does have a problem. Rearing in itself is a problem. One that either needs trained out of them or put up with by people stupider than me, because I won't ride one who makes a habit of it. The first time they rear, you set a precedent with that horse on how you respond. She told that horse, ok you're in charge. Bad response that is going to lead to more problems later.
I may sound harsh, but I just don't want her next post to be 'Severely injured after horse flips over' or worse, see her name in remembrance when she dies from it. Rearing is NOT a joke, sorry if I just take it a bit more seriously than others.
I owned a very nice horse who was an excellent athlete and very forgiving of my shortcomings. He just passed away last February. He used to rear before going in the alley... Not usually real high, but high enough. He would get anxious, and eager to run, because he loved his job. My reaction was to try and take ahold of him, so basically I made him clausterphobic and he had nowhere else to go but up. It was his way of teaching me to use more finesse, and less muscle. I never once felt in danger. That gelding saved my sorry ass more times than I can remember. My point is he reared because of my poor handling.....thank God I had the sense to eventually figure it out.
In that video, that horse got quite high. I've had a horse pop up when it felt annoyed, and that is one thing. That horse was past vertical, and almost fell backwards. That is DANGEROUS. It only takes one time for serious damage to happen. | |
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| FlyingHigh1454 - 2015-07-18 2:58 PM
Bear - 2015-07-17 11:37 PM
FlyingHigh1454 - 2015-07-16 9:22 PM
hotbear03 - 2015-07-16 8:24 PM
I don't see the owner" ignoring" her horses shortcomings. She put it all out there for everyone to have a shot at her.
The ones making excuses are the ignorant,self righteous poster ( s) that try and cover for the callous comments made to a girl about a horse she's trying to work with.
A horse can rear and not be a " problem" horse. This is not a kid that owns the horse,it's a owner who is Trying to get help.
I'm no Pat Parelli wanna be,but I sure wouldn't tell this girl to send her horse to the " meat pen"
S.M.H at the callousness of the highflying poster.......it's not always black and white when you truly take ownership and responsibility for a life!
I'm not the only one who thinks it or that has said it. So don't play it off as I am. We just aren't blowing smoke either. By ignoring the rearing, which she did, she told that horse that she didn't do anything wrong and that by being stupid, she gets to run. Anyone with a brain can see this is just going to get worse with that outlook. She's made excuses for the behavior, she isn't making the horse be accountable. By not making the horse be accountable, she will be ruined sooner than later.
Any horse that rears does have a problem. Rearing in itself is a problem. One that either needs trained out of them or put up with by people stupider than me, because I won't ride one who makes a habit of it. The first time they rear, you set a precedent with that horse on how you respond. She told that horse, ok you're in charge. Bad response that is going to lead to more problems later.
I may sound harsh, but I just don't want her next post to be 'Severely injured after horse flips over' or worse, see her name in remembrance when she dies from it. Rearing is NOT a joke, sorry if I just take it a bit more seriously than others.
I owned a very nice horse who was an excellent athlete and very forgiving of my shortcomings. He just passed away last February. He used to rear before going in the alley... Not usually real high, but high enough. He would get anxious, and eager to run, because he loved his job. My reaction was to try and take ahold of him, so basically I made him clausterphobic and he had nowhere else to go but up. It was his way of teaching me to use more finesse, and less muscle. I never once felt in danger. That gelding saved my sorry ass more times than I can remember. My point is he reared because of my poor handling.....thank God I had the sense to eventually figure it out.
In that video, that horse got quite high. I've had a horse pop up when it felt annoyed, and that is one thing. That horse was past vertical, and almost fell backwards. That is DANGEROUS. It only takes one time for serious damage to happen.
Haha you really wouldn't like one horse that came to me.
I had one who would rear up on a loose rein.
The reason he reared was he was blown up, never learned how to relax, couldn't stand still.
He was very smart, when you asked him to stand, he knew he couldn't go forward, or backwards, so he went up.
It took me 3 months to fix his problem.
Most horses are not the spawn of satan, and can be resolved, all it takes is knowledge, and patience, there are many people who can fix the problem so I don't see a reason to can a rearing horse. | |
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