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Location: North Dakota | I recently switched my horse from a Jr. Cowhorse to a Little S Hackamore, and he seemed to be happier running barrels with that. More so helped me not to "bother" him!
I've only really had experience with the Little S, but I am curious about the others.
Jim Werner
Stop and Turn
Brittany Pozzi
And others.
Can someone explain the differences in their actions?
Edited by r_beau 2015-10-02 9:55 PM
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Location: Cocoa, Florida | An S Hack is probably one of the lightest hacks you can use, if you have a horse that runs in an S hack I'm imagining that he's pretty light! I like to trail ride in them, or put them on colts as a first time hack if I need to.
I'm a big fan of the Jim Warner hacks, I have two mares that run in one, it's just a medium shank hack that works well for a moderately light horse.
I like a beetle nose hack as well something to graduate to after an S hack
I'm not a fan of a stop and turn or quick stop, the pressure is in the bar under their chin and you have to pull them around a certain way. (I would pull more down and around, you can't lift them) Mine would stop completely if I used one of them, some trainers only run in them, usually a more square style horse would do well.
Never used a pozzi
I like to start mine in a simple O ring and graduate to something like a sweet six, the jr cow is a popular bit you can find them easy.
I'm no bit expert, still learning myself but hope that helped
I get most of my bits from L&Wbits.com
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Born not Made
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Location: North Dakota | Well nice to hear I've got him in the "mildest" option! He is light in the mouth and face but likes to "do it himself" so the more I stay off his face, the better. | |
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Location: Oklahoma | RnRJack - 2015-10-03 6:20 AM
An S Hack is probably one of the lightest hacks you can use, if you have a horse that runs in an S hack I'm imagining that he's pretty light! I like to trail ride in them, or put them on colts as a first time hack if I need to.
I'm a big fan of the Jim Warner hacks, I have two mares that run in one, it's just a medium shank hack that works well for a moderately light horse.
I like a beetle nose hack as well something to graduate to after an S hack
I'm not a fan of a stop and turn or quick stop, the pressure is in the bar under their chin and you have to pull them around a certain way. (I would pull more down and around, you can't lift them) Mine would stop completely if I used one of them, some trainers only run in them, usually a more square style horse would do well.
Never used a pozzi
I like to start mine in a simple O ring and graduate to something like a sweet six, the jr cow is a popular bit you can find them easy.
I'm no bit expert, still learning myself but hope that helped
I get most of my bits from L&Wbits.com
Having a quick stop as my first choice and having won a ton of money using one, what you're saying is so not correct. I hate a Stop N Turn and won't use one of those, but you CAN lift with a quick stop....you just have to know how, and you have to be very light handed. Here is a picture of me running in one. Notice I AM lifting in it, and I am only using my fingers, not my hand. In fact, that's one of the best features of a quick stop IMO, is lift. It gets the rear end down and the front end elevated. It's a bump and release type headgear, however, and you can't muscle one around the turn with it. If you want fingertip control, a quick stop is what you want. If you want to pull on one, I'd suggest one of the others.
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Location: Kansas | I have run several horses in a Little S and also in a Jim Warner. and think I can compare the two. A Little S is a lot like running one in a halter - you don't have much control but it's great for those "leave me alone" types. The JW gives me a bit more stop and I also like the touch of sidepull action it offers. If I need to help one finish a turn by asking for their nose, the JW is my go-to hack. I have the short shank version but wish I had the long shank too as I think it would be great for Cliff in outdoor pens.
I've never tried the other hacks you mention. | |
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| dianeguinn - 2015-10-03 5:44 PM
RnRJack - 2015-10-03 6:20 AM
An S Hack is probably one of the lightest hacks you can use, if you have a horse that runs in an S hack I'm imagining that he's pretty light! I like to trail ride in them, or put them on colts as a first time hack if I need to.
I'm a big fan of the Jim Warner hacks, I have two mares that run in one, it's just a medium shank hack that works well for a moderately light horse.
I like a beetle nose hack as well something to graduate to after an S hack
I'm not a fan of a stop and turn or quick stop, the pressure is in the bar under their chin and you have to pull them around a certain way. (I would pull more down and around, you can't lift them) Mine would stop completely if I used one of them, some trainers only run in them, usually a more square style horse would do well.
Never used a pozzi
I like to start mine in a simple O ring and graduate to something like a sweet six, the jr cow is a popular bit you can find them easy.
I'm no bit expert, still learning myself but hope that helped
I get most of my bits from L&Wbits.com
Having a quick stop as my first choice and having won a ton of money using one, what you're saying is so not correct. I hate a Stop N Turn and won't use one of those, but you CAN lift with a quick stop....you just have to know how, and you have to be very light handed. Here is a picture of me running in one. Notice I AM lifting in it, and I am only using my fingers, not my hand. In fact, that's one of the best features of a quick stop IMO, is lift. It gets the rear end down and the front end elevated. It's a bump and release type headgear, however, and you can't muscle one around the turn with it. If you want fingertip control, a quick stop is what you want. If you want to pull on one, I'd suggest one of the others.
Correct me if I am wrong Diane, but a stop turn hack would be for more of a finished horse.
And Diane can you elaborate on if you loose bend with the stop turn hack, from my experience which is extremely little, I found you loose a lot of the lateral bend, more then with the s shank hack | |
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Lady Di
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Location: Oklahoma | cheryl makofka - 2015-10-03 10:41 PM
dianeguinn - 2015-10-03 5:44 PM
RnRJack - 2015-10-03 6:20 AM
An S Hack is probably one of the lightest hacks you can use, if you have a horse that runs in an S hack I'm imagining that he's pretty light! I like to trail ride in them, or put them on colts as a first time hack if I need to.
I'm a big fan of the Jim Warner hacks, I have two mares that run in one, it's just a medium shank hack that works well for a moderately light horse.
I like a beetle nose hack as well something to graduate to after an S hack
I'm not a fan of a stop and turn or quick stop, the pressure is in the bar under their chin and you have to pull them around a certain way. (I would pull more down and around, you can't lift them) Mine would stop completely if I used one of them, some trainers only run in them, usually a more square style horse would do well.
Never used a pozzi
I like to start mine in a simple O ring and graduate to something like a sweet six, the jr cow is a popular bit you can find them easy.
I'm no bit expert, still learning myself but hope that helped
I get most of my bits from L&Wbits.com
Having a quick stop as my first choice and having won a ton of money using one, what you're saying is so not correct. I hate a Stop N Turn and won't use one of those, but you CAN lift with a quick stop....you just have to know how, and you have to be very light handed. Here is a picture of me running in one. Notice I AM lifting in it, and I am only using my fingers, not my hand. In fact, that's one of the best features of a quick stop IMO, is lift. It gets the rear end down and the front end elevated. It's a bump and release type headgear, however, and you can't muscle one around the turn with it. If you want fingertip control, a quick stop is what you want. If you want to pull on one, I'd suggest one of the others.
Correct me if I am wrong Diane, but a stop turn hack would be for more of a finished horse.
And Diane can you elaborate on if you loose bend with the stop turn hack, from my experience which is extremely little, I found you loose a lot of the lateral bend, more then with the s shank hack
I said I hated the Stop N Turn and won't use one. It tends to scare a lot of horses due to the solid bar all the way across. I ride with a Weaver Fast Stop, which is totally different to a stop and turn, but is very similar to a quick stop. I have started colts in them, and I have ridden finished horses in them. There's nothing better to get a horse to work on their hindquarters, but you have to be light handed and responsive to your horse. I tend to buy a lot of horses that people have sold due to bad habits like dropping shoulders, floating their butts, and being too front endy. There's nothing better to get them back on their butts (after I have them physically fixed at the vet) than a quick stop. It actually has a lot of lift, and quite a bit of sidepull if you know how to use it. You have to lift toward your belt buckle and don't use your whole arm. Just use your fingers and each time you do, they will get lighter, to where you don't even have to touch them, they will just work. You might have to see it to believe it, but everyone I've shown is just amazed. Maybe I need to do a video.  | |
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Location: Cocoa, Florida | dianeguinn - 2015-10-03 5:44 PM
RnRJack - 2015-10-03 6:20 AM
An S Hack is probably one of the lightest hacks you can use, if you have a horse that runs in an S hack I'm imagining that he's pretty light! I like to trail ride in them, or put them on colts as a first time hack if I need to.
I'm a big fan of the Jim Warner hacks, I have two mares that run in one, it's just a medium shank hack that works well for a moderately light horse.
I like a beetle nose hack as well something to graduate to after an S hack
I'm not a fan of a stop and turn or quick stop, the pressure is in the bar under their chin and you have to pull them around a certain way. (I would pull more down and around, you can't lift them) Mine would stop completely if I used one of them, some trainers only run in them, usually a more square style horse would do well.
Never used a pozzi
I like to start mine in a simple O ring and graduate to something like a sweet six, the jr cow is a popular bit you can find them easy.
I'm no bit expert, still learning myself but hope that helped
I get most of my bits from L&Wbits.com
Having a quick stop as my first choice and having won a ton of money using one, what you're saying is so not correct. I hate a Stop N Turn and won't use one of those, but you CAN lift with a quick stop....you just have to know how, and you have to be very light handed. Here is a picture of me running in one. Notice I AM lifting in it, and I am only using my fingers, not my hand. In fact, that's one of the best features of a quick stop IMO, is lift. It gets the rear end down and the front end elevated. It's a bump and release type headgear, however, and you can't muscle one around the turn with it. If you want fingertip control, a quick stop is what you want. If you want to pull on one, I'd suggest one of the others.
Thanks for clarifying that Diane, I thought you couldn't lift them! I have a quick stop but no one right now that needs it, not a fan of them. Haven't played with a stop & turn yet.
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Location: North Dakota | dianeguinn - 2015-10-03 11:45 PM You might have to see it to believe it, but everyone I've shown is just amazed. Maybe I need to do a video.
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