TurnNBurn-3Barrels - 2015-10-12 4:02 AM  I use red cell and quite a few formula 707 products. I am interested in learning about the cutting commercial grain. What then did you feed?

rachellyn80 - 2015-10-12 9:23 AM


Bluebonnet Intensify Sr - $6.30/day for 1,000# horse @ 1.5%

Max E Glo - Rice Bran Supplemeent - $0.63/day for 1# as recommended for a horse in training

Mega Cell - $0.53/day at a rate of 2oz for a 1,000# horse

CurOst Total Support - $4.02/day as recommended

Total - $11.48/day per horse

Also, I have to question the Mega Cell completely...not only does BB Sr have the yeast cultures, vitamins, etc added, this also goes against everything that Dr. Schell believes about probiotics and enzymes within the digestive system, doesn't it?
 

readytorodeo - 2015-10-12 4:59 PM My horse can not eat oats. She has a tendency toward ulcers. So I feed the BB Intensify. I add the Rice Bran because the Sr is not high enough in fat for her . The Megacell was added by my vet when this all started. I had fed herbs and was feeding Renew Gold and she coliced 3 times in a month . Her blood count was very low. I have now stopped the Megacell , Cur Ost is doing what I need. I feed the Healthy Glo from ADM rice bran. And feed Alfalfa Hay.

rachellyn80 - 2015-10-12 10:08 PM My comments were aimed at what you were suggesting someone else use.  I'm still not following the train of thought in any of that. Sr feeds are going to be "lower" in fat because in essence they are formulated to be complete feeds. When you add everything together the fat content is going to look lower in a feed like that.  



ADM has never owned up to the bad feed tests from this past year.  Continuing to support a company like that is a slap in the face to the horse owners who were never even acknowledged for their losses.  

Tdove - 2015-10-12 5:41 AM

If it were me and I really wanted s supplement then I would feed DMG. Heck if I was a barrel racer period, I would try it on my horse to get the most out of it.

Personally, I cannot stand red cell.

readytorodeo - 2015-10-13 1:50 AM

rachellyn80 - 2015-10-12 9:33 AM That does seem like a LOT...  I would have to sit down and look over the nutritional information on all of those products and I feel certain that you could eliminate a lot of expense.



After the feed contamination ordeal back in January, we had switched our horses to Bluebonnet feeds because they seemed the safest of all of our choices.  At that time I still had the mindset like everyone else that horses needed a concentrated feed to have the energy they needed to perform.  I was approached about trying Omnis Complete Performance Cubes and hesitantly put one of my horses on them as a complete ration to try them out....That was April of this year.  



A couple of months ago we decided to cut out the Bluebonnet Omega Force that we were feeding my daughter's little mare and since then she has gotten stronger, more focused, and is firing harder than she ever has before.  I don't know the science behind the change, I can only attest to the results that we have seen.   Now, all of our horses are on them and we are no longer feeding any concentrated feeds.  We will feed oats if there is a need to mix in medications.



I know that at this time Omnis is not available to everyone, but the idea behind it is based on whole, natural foods.  Alfalfa hay, whole oats, and whole flax seeds are available just about anywhere.  The biggest challenge that we had was getting the horses digestive systems healed and functioning properly again so that they could utilize the nutrition that we were giving them. If you find yourself constantly looking for a fat supplement, ulcer meds, EPM drugs, etc and cannot seem to get your horses looking and feeling the way you want to, chances are you have gut inflammation from the diet that they are currently on and it won't matter what you feed them until you get this issue resolved....If they can't process it, they won't look any better.

Tdove - 2015-10-13 7:16 AM ADM owns Patriot and a lot of people have issues with the way they run their business. Rachel had many horses severely affected by a feed company. She is very passionate about the subject. Honestly, if you saw what it did, I think you would understand why she feels the way she does. I certainly agree that I will never buy another ADM or any feed company like them, even though they may have some products that are completely safe. It is the principle of the matter for us. What she is saying is that senior feeds are intended to be fed at high volumes, about 2-3 times normal concentrates. Therefore, when fed as directed, they can be extremely high fat feeds in the total diet. 8% is very very high fat for a complete feed. You said you fed extra rice bran because it did not provide enough fat. So, she was trying to explain why maybe extra fat was not needed. I am sure you are knowledgable in feeding. I think the problem is many of us thought we were knowledgable and have not too long ago found out that we have been spoon fed a bag of marketing and that we are having to relearn things. None of us know your specific horse or reasons to feed what you do. Ultimately it is your choice. However, I do agree there was a lot of redunency and overlapping of products in your recommendation. Perhaps you did not intend for all those to be fed together, at the same time? Danco Forage does not have a website at this time. Any questions you have about Omnis, I would be happy to answer. Thanks.