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Location: Montana | When looking at prospects that are already started on the barrels, how do you determine where you think they will finish up as far as D's? If they have just started competing and they are running about 2 seconds off (even if they were time onlied/exhibitioned before that), do you think they will end up as 1D/2D horses? Or where should they be? Or what do you want to see? I know it is pretty generalized, but thought it would be good to see where one should be. Thanks! |
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Location: MD | Good post! |
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Location: Carpenter, WY | to me so much is how well the fit is between horse and rider as to how well they run. Some people take months to mesh with a horse and sometimes it never happens at all. Then again sometimes they click right off the bat :) No help here at all LOL
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Location: Montana | teehaha - 2015-11-23 3:22 PM
to me so much is how well the fit is between horse and rider as to how well they run. Some people take months to mesh with a horse and sometimes it never happens at all. Then again sometimes they click right off the bat :) No help here at all LOL
No, you are a help because I agree! It depends a lot on horse and rider and how well they get along. But it also doesn't really answer my question in that if the horse and rider is a good combination, should you expect them to progress further, and how much further. Pondering...:) |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | Personally, I think by watching videos of a prospect running in competition, you are able to tell if the horse is giving full effort or has more to give. You can also pick up on little mistakes that can move a horse up a “D” or two. But then you have to factor in the competition that the horse is running against or will run against…..so basically, it is a “coin toss”……….LOL |
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Location: Oakdale, CA | great post!
I think pedigree, effort and ease of running the pattern.............
I think you asked the magic question............... |
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| When looking at a prospect, I want to see them move, do they have a long stride? Do they have a lot of airtime, or do they run flat? Do they use their hind quarters? How are their turns/rollbacks? Do they have instant acceleration?
If the horse has a long stride, runs flat, agile, and quick like a cat, to me this is going to be a 1d horse.
If they are just starting to run I wouldn't be concerned about how they are running on the pattern. As there can be too many holes in the training causing the horse to struggle on the pattern.
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | mtcanchazer - 2015-11-23 3:21 PM When looking at prospects that are already started on the barrels, how do you determine where you think they will finish up as far as D's? If they have just started competing and they are running about 2 seconds off (even if they were time onlied/exhibitioned before that), do you think they will end up as 1D/2D horses? Or where should they be? Or what do you want to see? I know it is pretty generalized, but thought it would be good to see where one should be. Thanks!
To me it would depend on how old the horse is how long have they been on the pattern, whos doing the training and has this person trained a 1D/2D horse befor. But that's just me if I was in the market for a 1D horse. |
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| I always try to buy prospects that I feel will make 1d/2d horses and aside from a couple I have been pretty successful when picking and they both were long shots to begin with...I always buy horses with solid running blood on the papers, I'm not a cow horse person. If they have cow on there it better also have some good run on there too. Look for a balanced prospect. Low hocks with short back, long underline. Long strided but can naturally collect easily. An intelligent and willing look and a I want to please you demeanor. You can tell if one is lightly started if they have the desire or are just going through the motions. You can have all the talent in the world but if they aren't interested they won't win much. I like one that hunts the barrels but had plenty of speed that can be added as they progress |
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Location: Montana | Wow, who'd have guessed I would have asked the million dollar question! LOL. A lot of good information here, and I thank you for it. I know what I pick up on when watching a horse in a video and see them, but it is a coin toss as someone else said. But thought it would be interesting to see what ya'll had to say, and I agree with you. Thought maybe there was a telltale sign, it sounds like maybe there are a few. :) |
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Location: MD | Personally, I watch more how a horse moves across the ground and how they use themselves on the backside than I do the clock. It doesn't really matter to me if I see a horse who obviously lacks training, or has holes. If I see a horse who gets across the ground well and efficiently and is agile in the turn without losing forward motion, they can be a bit of mess as far as the pattern goes and I'm still likely to give them a shot. |
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Location: Texas | sometimes I can feel it. I know when a horse really impresses me, and it usually happens before the barrels are even in the picture. With one horse, I misread him and he ended up being a 1D horse and I didn't think he would be. For another one that I patterned, I knew she was good and I knew she would be good. There's also been some where I knew off the bat they would not make it. and some where I can't decide.
I usually start out slow entering them, so with mine it's not surprising if they clock 2 seconds off when I enter them, and within a few months are in the 2D, then 1D if they are going to get there. I haven't mastered how some people hit he gates running in the 1D. Mine are definitely in the 1D by 6 months of entering if they're going to get there. |
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Location: Montana | Very interesting perspectives from both WrapSnap and Casualdust. I wish I could have your eyes to see what you see in a prospect so I can find the fast one. :) I suppose it will come with time and experience. :) |
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Location: Gainesville, TX | Love this question. Love the answers. Lots of great thoughts. In some instances I also think it would be great to see some prospects away from the barrels doing working cow and some reining or breezing maneuvers. Some of that can also show some athleticism I think that is occasionally hiding if they are not being ridden to their potential. I think most horses bred and built to do the job can generally end up in the 2d cracks with a good rider. More horses who do not end up there are either not bred/built for it or its rider error. My gelding has run up into the 3D with very little hauling. He should be at least 2d but I got in his way quite a bit both in hauling inconsistently and being unbalanced around 2nd. I will say a lot of horses who don't look like they are putting in much effort sure clock though. I have a pretty good feeling about my 3 year old. I guess time will tell if it's right though. She doesn't lack athleticism. |
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| I usually buy mine well before they are broke. Conformation to my standards and pedigree are at the top of my list. If I do find something that is started, I looktosee if the horse is started the way I train or something completely different. Since I have a trainer ride my horses now it is way easier to get her to go and give me her opinion. She doesn't like to have to redo alot. Many other people who have her ride for them do that too.
So my suggestion is to take someone who is very knowledgeable with you and listen to their opinion. My trainer loves the guy who breaks my colts. He doesn't try to put a bunch of fancy moves on them, just gets them broke. |
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