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Location: Louisiana | I've noticed lately he's sensitive in his flank. As in, he'll pin his ears and give me a mean look, and try to move away.
Move treated him for ulcers in the past, and had him on a daily preventative.
He isn't currently getting ridden, and I also revamped my feeding program. So when he ran out of the sup I didn't reorder, thinking he should be ok.
He isn't showing pain in the normal girth area. Would your first thought be ulcers or something else? |
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| Did he act this way before you started him on ulcer meds the first time?? When a horse is on ulcer meds its best that they stay on the prevention meds even after you have done yor 28 day treatment or whatever. Once the stomach is used to it and then its taken away it can actually cause more ulcers and the stomach to be irritated again.
If I took a guess I'd day ulcers and to treat him for them again and see if he improves, if there isn't any improvement in a 14 day time, I'd have him looked at. Because he could also be out of place and a rib may cause him to be sore where you are touching. When a horse is out of place even if its something small, if its out of place for long enough it can magnify the effect of how sore they get. So that would be my next go to and then a vet. |
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| If it's the flank then it's probably HINd gut ulcers. Omeprazole will not treat those. |
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Location: Louisiana | Last time he was very cinchy and irritable. I haven't been riding him so although I do brush and love on him daily, we don't have as much interaction as normal.
I just came back from the barn and really poked and prodded...
He is a little sensitive in the girth area, not bad but enough that he stopped eating to reach around and look at me like "Stop it!"
And after prodding and poking different ways, it isn't really so much his flank as it is his belly. Not quite flank. Flank response is more like, oh that tickles. Belly is ouchy. I will have him looked at by the chiro as it is near the bottom of his ribcage where I suspect it could cause pain if he's out.
I had done a round of omeprazole for a month, then he was on U-Gard daily for quite a while. His diet is mainly roughage, grass, grass hay, and alfalfa. A small amount of whole oats, not much. He seemed to be doing fine, and I figured his healthier diet would help, why I didn't continue treatment.
Hmm...I have noticed his coat isn't as soft as it was either, I had attributed that to all the rain and mud we've had lately.
I did haul him nearly 900 miles in one day about a month ago. He travels pretty well and did well on that trip. But that was a long day...
I'll keep an eye on him. I will most likely go ahead and treat, and then put him back on a daily. |
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| Might try 1 bag of Curost stomach. It treats stomach and hind gut ulcers. |
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| I would love to follow up on this post as I have a mare doing this now! Cinchy like shows her teeth cinchy, but no fuss riding..and flank area she pins ears. I also treated her 2 weeks of ulcerguard trying to eliminate things..it's just strange. Does anyone know of the best product to treat hind gut ulcers if ulcergard doesn't do this? |
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Location: Louisiana | FLITASTIC - 2015-11-29 9:24 PM Might try 1 bag of Curost stomach. It treats stomach and hind gut ulcers.
I've been eying Cur-Ost for a while. This might be my excuse to take the plunge! I'm going to look into it since Omeprazole doesn't do anything for hind gut, IF that's what the issue is.
Thank you! |
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Location: Louisiana | Wild1 - 2015-11-29 9:39 PM
I would love to follow up on this post as I have a mare doing this now! Cinchy like shows her teeth cinchy, but no fuss riding..and flank area she pins ears. I also treated her 2 weeks of ulcerguard trying to eliminate things..it's just strange. Does anyone know of the best product to treat hind gut ulcers if ulcergard doesn't do this?
My guy was VERY cinchy before. And also very ill at feeding time. Kicking and going at the other horses. Which he isn't acting that way currently, but I feel like they're all much more relaxed about their feed now that it's alfalfa cubes. Like they aren't expecting their daily sugar fix lol.
He actually shared his feed a couple nights ago, something I have never seen him do. Ever. They want their feed bucket at feeding time, but aren't crazed for it anymore lol. |
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Location: Florida.. | Wild1 - 2015-11-29 10:39 PM I would love to follow up on this post as I have a mare doing this now! Cinchy like shows her teeth cinchy, but no fuss riding..and flank area she pins ears. I also treated her 2 weeks of ulcerguard trying to eliminate things..it's just strange. Does anyone know of the best product to treat hind gut ulcers if ulcergard doesn't do this?
mares get that way if they have female issues |
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| Bibliafarm - 2015-11-29 9:56 PM
Wild1 - 2015-11-29 10:39 PM I would love to follow up on this post as I have a mare doing this now! Cinchy like shows her teeth cinchy, but no fuss riding..and flank area she pins ears. I also treated her 2 weeks of ulcerguard trying to eliminate things..it's just strange. Does anyone know of the best product to treat hind gut ulcers if ulcergard doesn't do this?
mares get that way if they have female issues
There is a video on you tube from Dr Depaulo on how to detect ulcers. He recommends Omeprozole for 14 days then he has a digestive product to put them on. When he retests them they all either show no signs or very little reaction. He reccomend a low starch feed also. I've never tried his products but have heard good things about them. He uses a compounded Omeprozole. |
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Location: God's country...aka TEXAS | OxyUlcer by Oxygen treats front AND hind gut ulcers. 15 day treatment, works wonders! |
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Location: Where the long tails flow, ND | I second Cur Ost, but would maybe try Total first of all? Dr. Schell, the maker of Cur Ost would be able to help you personalize.
Also, I've had great success with Rite Trac, this also treats hind gut and pretty dang quickly, as in 2 days. |
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Location: Louisiana | SmokinGirlie - 2015-11-30 8:22 AM
I second Cur Ost, but would maybe try Total first of all? Dr. Schell, the maker of Cur Ost would be able to help you personalize.
Also, I've had great success with Rite Trac, this also treats hind gut and pretty dang quickly, as in 2 days.
I went and checked out the forum and it looks like he most often recommends Stomach along with the Adapt. The stomach formula has a much higher concentration of the ulcer ingredients.
I'm going to look into the Oxygen product also. Thanks everyone! |
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Location: Beggs, OK | Along the lines of something a little more simple...Check his sheath if you haven't cleaned him recently. I have a gelding that will do those same things when he's stifle sore or has a bean.
Preventative ulcer meds will cause absorption issues with other vitamins and minerals that he needs. With the changes you have made in your feeding program, they should not be necessary. |
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Location: Louisiana | rachellyn80 - 2015-11-30 9:41 AM Along the lines of something a little more simple...Check his sheath if you haven't cleaned him recently. I have a gelding that will do those same things when he's stifle sore or has a bean.
Preventative ulcer meds will cause absorption issues with other vitamins and minerals that he needs. With the changes you have made in your feeding program, they should not be necessary.
I noticed his sheath is a little dirty, but I have cleaned him recently. I will certainly check for a bean today! Sometime it is the little things. I have to clean him often, I can usually tell by the way he behaves while riding. But I haven't ridden him lately, so...
And he is hock and stifle sore, I know. I hauled him to the vet, but am waiting to inject in the spring. Hence why he is on vacation!! His hocks were worse on X-ray, but he showed a lot more pain in his stifles.
Thank you for another perspective!
Yes, his diet can't get much better at this point so I know that isn't cause, if he does have ulcers.
I'm also going to do the poop test Dr. Schell suggested to check for sand. He likes to nibble the new baby grass, so that's another possibility. |
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Location: Beggs, OK | dashnlotti - 2015-11-30 10:15 AM rachellyn80 - 2015-11-30 9:41 AM Along the lines of something a little more simple...Check his sheath if you haven't cleaned him recently. I have a gelding that will do those same things when he's stifle sore or has a bean.
Preventative ulcer meds will cause absorption issues with other vitamins and minerals that he needs. With the changes you have made in your feeding program, they should not be necessary. I noticed his sheath is a little dirty, but I have cleaned him recently. I will certainly check for a bean today! Sometime it is the little things. I have to clean him often, I can usually tell by the way he behaves while riding. But I haven't ridden him lately, so...
And he is hock and stifle sore, I know. I hauled him to the vet, but am waiting to inject in the spring. Hence why he is on vacation!! His hocks were worse on X-ray, but he showed a lot more pain in his stifles.
Thank you for another perspective!
Yes, his diet can't get much better at this point so I know that isn't cause, if he does have ulcers.
I'm also going to do the poop test Dr. Schell suggested to check for sand. He likes to nibble the new baby grass, so that's another possibility.
This same horse was having issues holding his leads in the rear end and just being grouchy in general. I felt so bad after the dentist got done with him and I saw how dirty he was and how bad his teeth were. He's a good boy now that he's comfortable.  |
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| dashnlotti - 2015-11-30 9:36 AM
SmokinGirlie - 2015-11-30 8:22 AM
I second Cur Ost, but would maybe try Total first of all? Dr. Schell, the maker of Cur Ost would be able to help you personalize.
Also, I've had great success with Rite Trac, this also treats hind gut and pretty dang quickly, as in 2 days.
I went and checked out the forum and it looks like he most often recommends Stomach along with the Adapt. The stomach formula has a much higher concentration of the ulcer ingredients.
I'm going to look into the Oxygen product also. Thanks everyone!
I talked to Dr. Tom before ordering my Cur Ost products and he said to start with the Stomach and Adapt and now I have moved onto the Total. My horse had symptoms that pointed to hindgut ulcers. I will always go back to the Stomach and Adapt in the future with any of my horses that I suspect have ulcers. I am so happy with the results. Nothing helped long term and NOTHING helped as much as the Stomach and Adapt together. |
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Location: Where the long tails flow, ND | GLP - 2015-11-30 12:07 PM dashnlotti - 2015-11-30 9:36 AM SmokinGirlie - 2015-11-30 8:22 AM I second Cur Ost, but would maybe try Total first of all? Dr. Schell, the maker of Cur Ost would be able to help you personalize.
Also, I've had great success with Rite Trac, this also treats hind gut and pretty dang quickly, as in 2 days. I went and checked out the forum and it looks like he most often recommends Stomach along with the Adapt. The stomach formula has a much higher concentration of the ulcer ingredients. I'm going to look into the Oxygen product also. Thanks everyone! I talked to Dr. Tom before ordering my Cur Ost products and he said to start with the Stomach and Adapt and now I have moved onto the Total. My horse had symptoms that pointed to hindgut ulcers. I will always go back to the Stomach and Adapt in the future with any of my horses that I suspect have ulcers. I am so happy with the results. Nothing helped long term and NOTHING helped as much as the Stomach and Adapt together.
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Location: Central Texas | dashnlotti - 2015-11-30 10:15 AM
rachellyn80 - 2015-11-30 9:41 AM Along the lines of something a little more simple...Check his sheath if you haven't cleaned him recently. I have a gelding that will do those same things when he's stifle sore or has a bean.
Preventative ulcer meds will cause absorption issues with other vitamins and minerals that he needs. With the changes you have made in your feeding program, they should not be necessary.
I noticed his sheath is a little dirty, but I have cleaned him recently. I will certainly check for a bean today! Sometime it is the little things. I have to clean him often, I can usually tell by the way he behaves while riding. But I haven't ridden him lately, so...
And he is hock and stifle sore, I know. I hauled him to the vet, but am waiting to inject in the spring. Hence why he is on vacation!! His hocks were worse on X-ray, but he showed a lot more pain in his stifles.
Thank you for another perspective!
Yes, his diet can't get much better at this point so I know that isn't cause, if he does have ulcers.
I'm also going to do the poop test Dr. Schell suggested to check for sand. He likes to nibble the new baby grass, so that's another possibility.
My mare was cinchy and irritable around the flank area when she was hock/stifle sore and since you just mentioned yours did the same, I bet that is the issue. You mentioned rain and mud. Just an fyi, if it's anything like my black mud, it really pulls on the joints and if he's already sore in the hocks and stifles, the mud will only make him worse I bet.
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Location: Louisiana | ampratt - 2015-11-30 12:55 PM dashnlotti - 2015-11-30 10:15 AM rachellyn80 - 2015-11-30 9:41 AM Along the lines of something a little more simple...Check his sheath if you haven't cleaned him recently. I have a gelding that will do those same things when he's stifle sore or has a bean.
Preventative ulcer meds will cause absorption issues with other vitamins and minerals that he needs. With the changes you have made in your feeding program, they should not be necessary. I noticed his sheath is a little dirty, but I have cleaned him recently. I will certainly check for a bean today! Sometime it is the little things. I have to clean him often, I can usually tell by the way he behaves while riding. But I haven't ridden him lately, so...
And he is hock and stifle sore, I know. I hauled him to the vet, but am waiting to inject in the spring. Hence why he is on vacation!! His hocks were worse on X-ray, but he showed a lot more pain in his stifles.
Thank you for another perspective!
Yes, his diet can't get much better at this point so I know that isn't cause, if he does have ulcers.
I'm also going to do the poop test Dr. Schell suggested to check for sand. He likes to nibble the new baby grass, so that's another possibility. My mare was cinchy and irritable around the flank area when she was hock/stifle sore and since you just mentioned yours did the same, I bet that is the issue. You mentioned rain and mud. Just an fyi, if it's anything like my black mud, it really pulls on the joints and if he's already sore in the hocks and stifles, the mud will only make him worse I bet.
Don't you just wish they could talk?!
I haven't done the poop test yet. I'm going to check for sand and go from there. I may just go ahead and run a months worth of the Stomach through him since it's all natural. And since he has had ulcers in the past.
But then again it could be his hocks and stifles. I'm just going to pay extra attention to him over the next few days. He hasn't shown any attitude but they could be someone mild still I guess. He's being nice at feeding time still lol. I could always throw a saddle on and see how he acts. That's where he lets me know what hurts haha. |
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