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| Three 4 Luck - 2015-12-31 8:04 AM
BARRELHORSE USA - 2015-12-31 3:49 AM Keep your poltice and diaper routine going and spray wash it out everyday when re applying the diaper routine .... Now is the time to hit him with 20cc of PenG for 5 days and then lay off 5 days and then 20cc Pen G for another 5 days ... This will help his body attack the infection that created the abscess AND keep it draining and open by using a vegetable brush ... GOOD LUCK
Why do you keep telling people to use antibiotics this way? I've never heard a vet recommend such a schedule. In fact, after my mare had a very severe abscess like this open up, my vet had me dose her for 14 days. This on and off stuff seems like a good way to encourage selection for resistance.
Go get your micro biology books and you will learn that antibiotics have a peaking affect and then become ineffective and will actually give you other serious effects when used for long periods of time .....
Resistance to a drug happens when used for extended periods of time!!
5-on-5-off-5-on .. will give you two strategic peaks of activity ... and gives the horses body time to form its attack with its own resources!! ... and you do not kill the good gut bacteria and end up with even a bigger problem.
Why aren't you asking ... Why antibiotics were not started on this horse to help relieve the pain the horse was going through as the bacteria kept increasing the pus//pressure inside the hoof and giving him a pulsing pain that is difficult to endure ... ??
Edited by BARRELHORSE USA 2016-01-01 3:28 AM
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| The antibiotic dosing regimen is called pulse therapy or pulse dosing. It is sometimes used in both the human world and veterinary medicine. However, I don't recommend the willy nilly use of such a protocol unless you're educated about it. What bacteria are you treating, with what antibiotic, what area of the body...? Some antibiotics aren't appropriate for pulse therapy. Some are.
There is recent discussion about the benefits of pulse therapy for Lyme disease. Not much information about drug resistance. And some researchers warn that inappropriate use of pulse dosing will encourage drug resistance.
I dont really recommend trying it unless you have input from a professional. And even the professionals don't agree!
But it is used, just not too often, at least in my area. | |
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| BARRELHORSE USA - 2016-01-01 3:23 AM
Three 4 Luck - 2015-12-31 8:04 AM
BARRELHORSE USA - 2015-12-31 3:49 AM Keep your poltice and diaper routine going and spray wash it out everyday when re applying the diaper routine .... Now is the time to hit him with 20cc of PenG for 5 days and then lay off 5 days and then 20cc Pen G for another 5 days ... This will help his body attack the infection that created the abscess AND keep it draining and open by using a vegetable brush ... GOOD LUCK
Why do you keep telling people to use antibiotics this way? I've never heard a vet recommend such a schedule. In fact, after my mare had a very severe abscess like this open up, my vet had me dose her for 14 days. This on and off stuff seems like a good way to encourage selection for resistance.
Go get your micro biology books and you will learn that antibiotics have a peaking affect and then become ineffective and will actually give you other serious effects when used for long periods of time .....
Resistance to a drug happens when used for extended periods of time!!
5-on-5-off-5-on .. will give you two strategic peaks of activity ... and gives the horses body time to form its attack with its own resources!! ... and you do not kill the good gut bacteria and end up with even a bigger problem.
Why aren't you asking ... Why antibiotics were not started on this horse to help relieve the pain the horse was going through as the bacteria kept increasing the pus//pressure inside the hoof and giving him a pulsing pain that is difficult to endure ... ??
The regime you are giving will actually contribute to antibiotic resistant microorganisms
The equine pharmacology text I have says the suggested dose is 22,000- 25,000 units per kg, so a 1000lbs horse should be getting at least 37cc per dose.
The book also says the recommended dosing on the bottle has not been supported from the literature.
In the equine clinical pharmacology text it says the half life to Im penicillins is 7 hours, so 7 hours after administration, the concentration is decreasing, this is why it is better to give it every 12 hours.
Neither textbook recommends any schedule similar to yours.
I also looked up penicillin in the current therapy in equine medicine 5th Ed and it does not support your practice as well
Edited by cheryl makofka 2016-01-01 12:17 PM
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| cheryl makofka - 2016-01-01 12:15 PM
BARRELHORSE USA - 2016-01-01 3:23 AM
Three 4 Luck - 2015-12-31 8:04 AM
BARRELHORSE USA - 2015-12-31 3:49 AM Keep your poltice and diaper routine going and spray wash it out everyday when re applying the diaper routine .... Now is the time to hit him with 20cc of PenG for 5 days and then lay off 5 days and then 20cc Pen G for another 5 days ... This will help his body attack the infection that created the abscess AND keep it draining and open by using a vegetable brush ... GOOD LUCK
Why do you keep telling people to use antibiotics this way? I've never heard a vet recommend such a schedule. In fact, after my mare had a very severe abscess like this open up, my vet had me dose her for 14 days. This on and off stuff seems like a good way to encourage selection for resistance.
Go get your micro biology books and you will learn that antibiotics have a peaking affect and then become ineffective and will actually give you other serious effects when used for long periods of time .....
Resistance to a drug happens when used for extended periods of time!!
5-on-5-off-5-on .. will give you two strategic peaks of activity ... and gives the horses body time to form its attack with its own resources!! ... and you do not kill the good gut bacteria and end up with even a bigger problem.
Why aren't you asking ... Why antibiotics were not started on this horse to help relieve the pain the horse was going through as the bacteria kept increasing the pus//pressure inside the hoof and giving him a pulsing pain that is difficult to endure ... ??
The regime you are giving will actually contribute to antibiotic resistant microorganisms
The equine pharmacology text I have says the suggested dose is 22,000- 25,000 units per kg, so a 1000lbs horse should be getting at least 37cc per dose.
The book also says the recommended dosing on the bottle has not been supported from the literature.
In the equine clinical pharmacology text it says the half life to Im penicillins is 7 hours, so 7 hours after administration, the concentration is decreasing, this is why it is better to give it every 12 hours.
Neither textbook recommends any schedule similar to yours.
I also looked up penicillin in the current therapy in equine medicine 5th Ed and it does not support your practice as well
You read your book and come up with huge amounts of antibiotics to be given and I will continue with proven methods that work.
If I had as many sick horses as you say you have had with every post that comes up ... I would get out of the horse market!! or stop buying horses at killer sales!!
I use the KISS system and not the use of google or a book bought at a garage sale ... lol ... try the KISS system sometime and find out how easy and well it works ..
The amount of wide range antibiotics I suggested is not to go for a killing affect of everything in a horses system but to aid their immune system to rebuild and take over the process of healing from within on a natural basis ...
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| You've also recommended feeding medicated chicken feed to horses before too. I think I'd rather try my luck with Google. | |
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| BARRELHORSE USA - 2016-01-01 4:36 PM
cheryl makofka - 2016-01-01 12:15 PM
BARRELHORSE USA - 2016-01-01 3:23 AM
Three 4 Luck - 2015-12-31 8:04 AM
BARRELHORSE USA - 2015-12-31 3:49 AM Keep your poltice and diaper routine going and spray wash it out everyday when re applying the diaper routine .... Now is the time to hit him with 20cc of PenG for 5 days and then lay off 5 days and then 20cc Pen G for another 5 days ... This will help his body attack the infection that created the abscess AND keep it draining and open by using a vegetable brush ... GOOD LUCK
Why do you keep telling people to use antibiotics this way? I've never heard a vet recommend such a schedule. In fact, after my mare had a very severe abscess like this open up, my vet had me dose her for 14 days. This on and off stuff seems like a good way to encourage selection for resistance.
Go get your micro biology books and you will learn that antibiotics have a peaking affect and then become ineffective and will actually give you other serious effects when used for long periods of time .....
Resistance to a drug happens when used for extended periods of time!!
5-on-5-off-5-on .. will give you two strategic peaks of activity ... and gives the horses body time to form its attack with its own resources!! ... and you do not kill the good gut bacteria and end up with even a bigger problem.
Why aren't you asking ... Why antibiotics were not started on this horse to help relieve the pain the horse was going through as the bacteria kept increasing the pus//pressure inside the hoof and giving him a pulsing pain that is difficult to endure ... ??
The regime you are giving will actually contribute to antibiotic resistant microorganisms
The equine pharmacology text I have says the suggested dose is 22,000- 25,000 units per kg, so a 1000lbs horse should be getting at least 37cc per dose.
The book also says the recommended dosing on the bottle has not been supported from the literature.
In the equine clinical pharmacology text it says the half life to Im penicillins is 7 hours, so 7 hours after administration, the concentration is decreasing, this is why it is better to give it every 12 hours.
Neither textbook recommends any schedule similar to yours.
I also looked up penicillin in the current therapy in equine medicine 5th Ed and it does not support your practice as well
You read your book and come up with huge amounts of antibiotics to be given and I will continue with proven methods that work.
If I had as many sick horses as you say you have had with every post that comes up ... I would get out of the horse market!! or stop buying horses at killer sales!!
I use the KISS system and not the use of google or a book bought at a garage sale ... lol ... try the KISS system sometime and find out how easy and well it works ..
The amount of wide range antibiotics I suggested is not to go for a killing affect of everything in a horses system but to aid their immune system to rebuild and take over the process of healing from within on a natural basis ...
HAVE A HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!!!
All I can say is wow, I provided references for the info I provided, and you attack me personally, and make fictitious assumptions about me.
No I have never bought a text book from a garage sale, I buy the textbooks from accredited publishers. I try to have current info, a text book from 1970 is not as reliable as one from 2015. Things change.
As for my horses, yes I have had quite a few injured horses, mostly bone and tendon injuries not so much sick the sad thing is where I live we have a cougar problem, sadly my only choice to remedy that problem is to move, but I do live in gods country, and not ready to give that up.
As for buying horses from kill pens, nope I don't do that either.
Please show me the scientific research that supports how you practice.
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