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| Mighty Broke - 2016-01-04 2:41 PM
This is a LAND GRAB by our Federal Government plain and simple. Read the history on this fight, they have been trying to get this land for DECADES.
The crummy part is that this isn't the first in the last 50 years and it probably won't be the last either ..... If anyone is interested, google how Milford Lake and Tuttle Creek Reservoir in Kansas came about ... land grabs by the feds. When farmers and ranchers refused to sell, the feds flooded their acreages. The older generation around here still talks about the shiny cars, slick men, fancy suits, and land grabbing that happened when they were teenagers or young adults. It is a giant mess. |
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | There have been wild things said in the last 7 years about what is coming. I didn't think it possible and largely discounted it as paranoid insanity. But it's ALL coming true. Every bit of it. |
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | Nevertooold - 2016-01-04 1:05 PM
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I Prefer to Live in Fantasy Land
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | OregonBR - 2016-01-04 3:06 PM There have been wild things said in the last 7 years about what is coming. I didn't think it possible and largely discounted it as paranoid insanity. But it's ALL coming true. Every bit of it.
The sad thing is there are many people that think ranchers and farmers shouldn't own so much land and it should be public land. Socialism is creeping in and it's not pretty. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | OregonBR - 2016-01-04 3:09 PM Nevertooold - 2016-01-04 1:05 PM Page could not be found. I have had links to videos I saved on my facebook page disappear from my messages. I'm not making this up. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | You should have sympathy for the Hammond family.
You should have sympathy for Steven and Dwight Hammond because they are, by all accounts, decent and generous community members attempting to survive as ranchers in the face of a massive federal bureaucracy violating their rights. Here’s everything you need to know about the Hammond family and why they’re now at the center of a national firestorm.
The Federal Government Has Been Trying To Push The Hammonds Off Their Land. The federal government owns huge swaths of land in the western United States via the Bureau of Land Management, ranging from 84.5 percent of all territory in Nevada to 53.1 percent of all territory in Oregon. The federal Fish and Wildlife Service has designs on the land owned by the Hammond family, and to that end, they bought up all the land surrounding the Hammonds, and then apparently began choking out the Hammonds’ access to water and grazing rights. Suffice it to say that in plea arrangements regarding arson charges (to be discussed shortly) the Hammonds agreed to give the BLM first right of refusal on a sale of their property. In a plea agreement.
Their “Arson” Was An Attempt to Protect Their Land Use. In 2001, the Hammonds initiated a burn on their property – the goal of which, according to the Hammonds, was to kill weeds that suck up water. The fire expanded outside their property and burned 138 acres of federal land. The Hammonds put out the fire themselves; no federal firefighters were used. According to the Hammonds, they called BLM beforehand for permission. In 2006, the Hammonds initiated a backfire in order to prevent their property from being burned by lightning. One acre of federal land was apparently burned. The federal government charged the father-and-son duo under anti-terrorism laws, calling for a five-year mandatory minimum federal sentence.
The Hammonds Are Good Members Of Their Community. The judge, in originally sentencing Steven and Dwight Hammond, stated, “With regard to character letters and that sort of thing, they were tremendous. These are people who have been a salt in their community and liked, and I appreciate that…I am not going to apply the mandatory minimum and because, to me, to do so under the Eighth Amendment would result in a sentence which is grossly disproportionate to the severity of the offenses here. And with regard to the Antiterrorism and Effective Death Penalty Act of 1996, this sort of conduct could not have been conduct intended under that statute.”The Feds Want All Ranchers On Notice That They Rule The Roost. It’s not just the Hammonds. The Oregon Farm Bureau protested the Hammonds’ convictions, stating:
This prosecution will have a chilling effect across the West among ranchers and others who rely on federal allotments and permits. It will harm the positive relationship many ranchers and organizations have worked to forge with the bureau, and the hard work that has been done on the range. It also is hypocritical given BLM’s own harm to the range, which goes without consequence. It is unjust. OFB worked quietly behind the scenes with BLM through the spring and summer. That diligent diplomatic effort was fruitless.The Hammonds Are Not Interested In Violence. Ammon Bundy, son of Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy, who was involved in a similar dispute with the BLM in 2014, headed up to Oregon with armed citizens to take over an empty facility at the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge. They left a peaceful protest in order to do so. “The facility has been the tool to do all the tyranny that has been placed upon the Hammonds,” Ammon Bundy said. “We’re planning on staying here for years, absolutely.” The Hammond family says they don’t have anything to do with the Bundy group’s activities. They may want clemency from President Obama, but they’ll be unlikely to obtain it.
The media have chosen to focus on the Bundy move because it’s more spectacular in terms of the headlines. But the Hammonds’ story is a pure example of what an insanely powerful, unelected bureaucracy can achieve when it goes unchecked. And there’s no question that as the government expands, conflagrations like the Hammonds/Bundys will become more and more common. |
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Location: OH | Even though it is different circumstances---this reminds me of the Turn 3 situation a few years back. A bunch of trumped up charges trying to steal someones property. I could not believe that it happened in America then---and I cannot believe it is happening now. |
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Location: Oakdale, CA | really cover up poaching is the biggest line of crap ever. So sad I love the bundys. this is how white rednecks protest. they don't hug trees, lay down on free ways and destroy property by rioting.
the blm needs to be shut down. I'm so disqusted with the government................................ |
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Location: Do I hear Banjos? | Ive been reading the history and accounts of how the Buffalo National river and Buffalo River National Park here in Arkansas was established. When land owners didn't want to sell out to the feds for whatever low ball figure they were offered...the government used intimidation, false accusations of damage to the environment etc...and outright seizure to obtain the land by whatever means they could. If the landowner couldn't afford to fight it in court...they had few options and lost everything in most cases. This situation in Oregon sounds very similar. |
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| meanwhile they bring in so called refugeess from syrian and they the refugess are givemn free healthcare and foodstamps according to channel 5 in atlanta ga
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | I look at the big picture. That's what this saga does for me....it is a harbinger of things to come. This is just a sad symptom of how fractured this country has become. All of this happening in advance of Obama's executive action, ostensibly to "curb gun violence".
Meanwhile down here in Texas, the overwhelming majority of citizens are proudly and peacefully walking around with guns in holsters because of newly enacted open carry laws. There was a blurb on the local news tonight where a gun toting citizen walked into a variety of businesses, the state Capitol, Austin busses, a bank, and down the street. People are already used to it and gladly accept it. Even some opponents reluctantly admit they feel safer with open carry. This had to go over like a fart in church in the Obozo administration.
Texas is the exception, I'm afraid. The rest of the country is a tinderbox set to explode. Mark my word. |
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Location: I can see the end of the world from here! | For those who really want to delve into the power of the people...I truly have the utmost respect for this young man and hope you all give it a listen! I've long gave way too much power to our national/federal government without understanding where our strength really lies...within our states...we are, afterall, citizens of states. God Bless...this has been a long time coming and I pray fervently for each of us.
https://www.facebook.com/tenthamendmentcenter/?fref=nf
http://tenthamendmentcenter.com/
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Location: Texas | How is imprisoning these people AGAIN not double jeopardy??? |
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A Barrel Of Monkeys
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Location: Texas | Fun2Run - 2016-01-05 12:13 AM How is imprisoning these people AGAIN not double jeopardy???
OK, I went back and read page 1 and understand now.
But holy cow, how is this not a total manipulation and power play by the feds? Terrible!!
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| THE FEDERAL GOVT. DOES NOT NEED TO ACQUIRE MORE LAND! I live in an area where the majority of land is held in trust by the feds. Having so much land held by them does ZERO for community development! |
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Location: Stephenville, TX | This is a lot to read through, but explains quite a bit about the case:
http://www.scotusblog.com/case-files/cases/hammond-v-united-states/
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