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teamthompson
Reg. Feb 2010
Posted 2015-11-02 9:43 AM
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just an update on my filly....

so she bucked w me at the house on Wednesday, loaded up butt up on Thursday morning and hauled to local arena rode for 2 hrs and and was saint...

so looks like we have a barn sore attitude problem at home that needs to be addressed....

I am giving her a few more chances to redeem herself, if not then down the road she goes......


OT ---> how do u market/sell a "bucker"? just disclosure of when/where/how bad it was? I have never had this issue
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FlyingJT
Reg. Jan 2014
Posted 2015-11-02 9:55 AM
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The unpredictable buckers are the worst!! I'd rather have one, and I have one at home, that I know is going to buck everyday as soon as I get on, then to have one that is random. Had a huge, pretty, talented, buckskin gelding that was so unpredictable, sad to see him go because he had all the talent but he just didn't have the heart to do anything. He wasted all his energy on trying to off load my butt that he wasn't worth it. You could ride him all day checking cattle and never have a problem and then on the way back to the trailer he'd break in two, or you get on and two steps out he'd start. Some weeks he'd never even have a bubble in his back... I couldn't figure out the trigger so I sent him down the road.
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Reg. Jan 2012
Posted 2015-11-02 10:09 AM
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 Sorry that you're still having problems. Unpredictability is the worst. And when they know they can unload you, they will. 

I sold my gelding with full disclosure. I let the buyer know what had been going on with him, and that it wasn't worth it to me to feed him thru the winter. I also told her that I wouldn't be riding him to "show" him to her. Lost several thousands in the sale, but it was worth it. He became very stressful, and horses shouldn't be that.
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teamthompson
Reg. Feb 2010
Posted 2015-11-02 10:51 AM
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~BINGO~ - 2015-11-02 10:09 AM

Β Sorry that you're still having problems. Unpredictability is the worst. And when they know they can unload you, they will.Β 

I sold my gelding with full disclosure. I let the buyer know what had been going on with him, and that it wasn't worth it to me to feed him thru the winter. I also told her that I wouldn't be riding him to "show" him to her. Lost several thousands in the sale, but it was worth it. He became very stressful, and horses shouldn't be that.

this is my first time having this problem, sheesh what a mess.....

I have 2 young kids (6 & 8) and they have watched her throw me off, scares them to death....

and I agree, no horse is worth the risk of getting hurt......
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bigbob
Reg. Sep 2005
Posted 2015-11-02 11:16 AM
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I hadn't seen this post before but glad I read it and saw what others are dealing with. Friday my 4 yr old gelding bucked me off for the 2nd time. This time it was 15-20 min into our ride. I asked him to work and he took off and broke in half like Ive never seen before, I knew it was going to end badly and let go. I ended up landing in the worst possible spot and broke my back. Was airlifted, just released yesterday and the sucker as gorgeous and talented as he is, is going to go down the road. I am a mom and have a full time carrer I can't afford to get hurt again nor to I wish this pain on anyone! It's not worth it.  
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Posted 2015-11-02 12:30 PM
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bigbob - 2015-11-02 9:16 AM I hadn't seen this post before but glad I read it and saw what others are dealing with. Friday my 4 yr old gelding bucked me off for the 2nd time. This time it was 15-20 min into our ride. I asked him to work and he took off and broke in half like Ive never seen before, I knew it was going to end badly and let go. I ended up landing in the worst possible spot and broke my back. Was airlifted, just released yesterday and the sucker as gorgeous and talented as he is, is going to go down the road. I am a mom and have a full time carrer I can't afford to get hurt again nor to I wish this pain on anyone! It's not worth it.  

WOW! I'm so sorry to hear that! That is awful. So glad you are ok. It is NOT worth it. I'll keep you in my prayers for quick healing. I can't imagine. 
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teamthompson
Reg. Feb 2010
Posted 2015-11-02 1:55 PM
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bigbob - 2015-11-02 11:16 AM

I hadn't seen this post before but glad I read it and saw what others are dealing with. Friday my 4 yr old gelding bucked me off for the 2nd time. This time it was 15-20 min into our ride. I asked him to work and he took off and broke in half like Ive never seen before, I knew it was going to end badly and let go. I ended up landing in the worst possible spot and broke my back. Was airlifted, just released yesterday and the sucker as gorgeous and talented as he is, is going to go down the road. I am a mom and have a full time carrer I can't afford to get hurt again nor to I wish this pain on anyone! It's not worth it. Β 

oh my lanta, that's awful....

we will send prayers ur way....

I am an operating room nurse, so I know what u have been thru...

speedy recovery.....
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teamthompson
Reg. Feb 2010
Posted 2015-11-04 8:13 AM
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update om y 4yo filly --- hauled her yesterday afternoon to a new arena, and she rode like a champ, she is a tad on the lazy side....

with all the rain haven't gotten to ride her at home (that's where the bucking happened)

hauling her again this evening, so kinda excited.....
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teamthompson
Reg. Feb 2010
Posted 2015-11-04 8:19 AM
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here is my 4yo filly....

the first picture was when I brought her home on 8-29-15, she was turned out and beat up...

other pics are of her within this last month in my care w good groceries and exercise....



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Griz
Reg. Sep 2003
Posted 2015-11-04 11:24 AM
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teamthompson - 2015-11-04 8:19 AM

here is my 4yo filly....

the first picture was when I brought her home on 8-29-15, she was turned out and beat up...

other pics are of her within this last month in my care w good groceries and exercise....

Holy BEANS! What is your feeding program? WHAT a turn around!! (Although, I'd still send her down the road if she continued to pile drive me Ha)! She is beautiful!
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teamthompson
Reg. Feb 2010
Posted 2015-11-04 11:44 AM
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Griz - 2015-11-04 11:24 AM

teamthompson - 2015-11-04 8:19 AM

here is my 4yo filly....

the first picture was when I brought her home on 8-29-15, she was turned out and beat up...

other pics are of her within this last month in my care w good groceries and exercise....

Holy BEANS! What is your feeding program? WHAT a turn around!! (Although, I'd still send her down the road if she continued to pile drive me Ha)! She is beautiful!

thank you.....thank you, thank you......



I will probably get slammed for this BUT I feed Safe Choice Special Care she gets 2lbs 2x day, coast hay, alfalfa bales...

But I also exercise everyday, I may ride, might be groundwork, might be just walking her up n down the road by hand for an hour..... exercise is huge to me

also, my stalls are 12x16 so my horses and run around in there if they wanted, bahahahahahahaa.....



AND yes, if she does have another bucking episode, she will go to the hill country to a cow ranch to be worked....
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Reg. Nov 2008
Posted 2015-11-04 12:45 PM
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I have waited a while to post on this....but I think that I will. I have a little dun horse that is pretty cool...he bucked with his owner...who consigned him through a known/accomplished trainer in Oklahoma, he bucked with her...she sold him as a 2d horse that bucked for $3500 after the original owner paid $8500 for him. The lady that bought him had her neice run him at jr. rodeos....swears he never bucked with her...but for some reason he came up for sale again....and I traded a nice but slow DFP mare for him...I was never told that he was a bucker. I did my research after he made three smoking runs with me and then tried to buck me off at a barrel race in Andrews. I'll attach the link at the bottom of my post. I had just had a baby a month before...I was also in a Bob Marshall saddle that I bought to run in until I got all my core strength back...my first run back on another horse in a flat saddle was a 17.0 on a deep standard pattern....in which I held on for dear life...and realized that after that I needed a sports saddle or so I thought until I got my core strenght back. Needless to say...I had that saddle on when I ran him. He still has white spots where the saddle pinched him that day....3 years later...I assumed that was why he bucked. Sold the saddle that week. Won a custom Martin Crown C the next weekend and it fit pretty well...was a little big because I had it custom made to fit my "good" horse at the time. Every 7 8 or 9 runs my little Dun horse would buck with me in the middle of the pattern...I took him to the vet, the chiro, the massage therapist, I cut down his starch/sugar levels in his feed, I had him stand tied and saddled more, I rode him out and away from the barrels, I had him scoped.........YOU NAME IT, I DID IT. I gave him months off time off...I had him magnawaved twice a week....still...random bucking on the pattern. I was at a big barrel race in Clovis when I looked down and realized my pad...SMX Air Ride....really wasn't holding its own...it was time for a replacement and before my run on this horse I thougth I'd go buy another.....Fortunately for me...the only vendor selling any pads was the producer...and she was a vendor for CSI saddle pads. I didnt have the funds really to invest...but she held a check for me...and I bought a CSI pad before my run. HE RAN...he didnt turn...HE RAN because I got it too big and the excess was slapping his little butt all the way across the pen! SO....I went back and traded for a "show cut"...it fit perfectly. That horse DID NOT BUCK WITH ME FOR 6 MONTHS not even when he needed his stifles injected...not when he was out...NEVER AGAIN WITH THAT PAD DID HE USE SORENESS AS AN EXCUSE TO BUCK.....Fast forward to my husband at the time getting us in a bit of a financial pinch...and I sold that pad...right before BBR finals last year in which Holly was running consistent 1d times again. I ended up riding in a nice black felt pad....no dry spots, nothing. One week before finals Holly tried unloading me in the middle of the pattern...and then at home...and then a few days later again....and I SCRATCHED $550 entry fee later at the BBR finals. I didint ride him for a couple months...I was sick of him...he was for sale...as a trail horse...for $2500 because he had never ever bucked on a trail...NO ONE would look at him for $2500. He is an awesome trail horse...and bred pretty nice. Sun FrostxHollywood Dun it. He will climb it, he will chase it, he will swim through it, he will cross it, he will jump it and he will plow through it....WONDERFUL trail horse....no one would look at him. So as I was running my good horse in Levelland...after my divorce...I bought him a pad with his winnings...I started riding Holly agian with that pad and his attitude changed, and then I started cruising him through, and then I started running him and that horse has not bucked since. In fact I just gave him two months off....got on him for two days and then took him to three BIG DEEP HEAVY pens to run in. 5 saddles in three months...3 of them competition runs...I KNOW he was sore...he never offered to do anything but his best and he never bucked or even acted like he wanted to. I've never changed my saddle, my feed, my training program, anything again...and this horse wont buck. I am not saying the CSI pad was a miracle worker pad...The massage therapise says Hollys shoulder is always tight...from his wither down....I was told as a 4 year old (hes 14 now) that he got "jerked down" by a big head horse that anchored up on him when he was a colt and they were heeling on him. He must have an old injury deep down that bothers him from time to time...maybe a catch, maybe a stinger, maybe some scar tissue...SOMETHING that doesnt show up on thermal scan or xray or normal palpation....IDK...but that CSI pad saved me from having a worthless SOB that I was neverous of and no one wanted to having some people REALLY regretting not picking him up for $2500.

video of him bucking in pattern

https://www.facebook.com/courtneymae.taylor/videos/vb.100000960399944/586507521391256/?type=2&theater

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teamthompson
Reg. Feb 2010
Posted 2015-11-04 1:16 PM
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MOTIVATED - 2015-11-04 12:45 PM

I have waited a while to post on this....but I think that I will. I have a little dun horse that is pretty cool...he bucked with his owner...who consigned him through a known/accomplished trainer in Oklahoma, he bucked with her...she sold him as a 2d horse that bucked for $3500 after the original owner paid $8500 for him. The lady that bought him had her neice run him at jr. rodeos....swears he never bucked with her...but for some reason he came up for sale again....and I traded a nice but slow DFP mare for him...I was never told that he was a bucker. I did my research after he made three smoking runs with me and then tried to buck me off at a barrel race in Andrews. I'll attach the link at the bottom of my post. I had just had a baby a month before...I was also in a Bob Marshall saddle that I bought to run in until I got all my core strength back...my first run back on another horse in a flat saddle was a 17.0 on a deep standard pattern....in which I held on for dear life...and realized that after that I needed a sports saddle or so I thought until I got my core strenght back. Needless to say...I had that saddle on when I ran him. He still has white spots where the saddle pinched him that day....3 years later...I assumed that was why he bucked. Sold the saddle that week. Won a custom Martin Crown C the next weekend and it fit pretty well...was a little big because I had it custom made to fit my "good" horse at the time. Every 7 8 or 9 runs my little Dun horse would buck with me in the middle of the pattern...I took him to the vet, the chiro, the massage therapist, I cut down his starch/sugar levels in his feed, I had him stand tied and saddled more, I rode him out and away from the barrels, I had him scoped.........YOU NAME IT, I DID IT. I gave him months off time off...I had him magnawaved twice a week....still...random bucking on the pattern. I was at a big barrel race in Clovis when I looked down and realized my pad...SMX Air Ride....really wasn't holding its own...it was time for a replacement and before my run on this horse I thougth I'd go buy another.....Fortunately for me...the only vendor selling any pads was the producer...and she was a vendor for CSI saddle pads. I didnt have the funds really to invest...but she held a check for me...and I bought a CSI pad before my run. HE RAN...he didnt turn...HE RAN because I got it too big and the excess was slapping his little butt all the way across the pen! SO....I went back and traded for a "show cut"...it fit perfectly. That horse DID NOT BUCK WITH ME FOR 6 MONTHS not even when he needed his stifles injected...not when he was out...NEVER AGAIN WITH THAT PAD DID HE USE SORENESS AS AN EXCUSE TO BUCK.....Fast forward to my husband at the time getting us in a bit of a financial pinch...and I sold that pad...right before BBR finals last year in which Holly was running consistent 1d times again. I ended up riding in a nice black felt pad....no dry spots, nothing. One week before finals Holly tried unloading me in the middle of the pattern...and then at home...and then a few days later again....and I SCRATCHED $550 entry fee later at the BBR finals. I didint ride him for a couple months...I was sick of him...he was for sale...as a trail horse...for $2500 because he had never ever bucked on a trail...NO ONE would look at him for $2500. He is an awesome trail horse...and bred pretty nice. Sun FrostxHollywood Dun it. He will climb it, he will chase it, he will swim through it, he will cross it, he will jump it and he will plow through it....WONDERFUL trail horse....no one would look at him. So as I was running my good horse in Levelland...after my divorce...I bought him a pad with his winnings...I started riding Holly agian with that pad and his attitude changed, and then I started cruising him through, and then I started running him and that horse has not bucked since. In fact I just gave him two months off....got on him for two days and then took him to three BIG DEEP HEAVY pens to run in. 5 saddles in three months...3 of them competition runs...I KNOW he was sore...he never offered to do anything but his best and he never bucked or even acted like he wanted to. I've never changed my saddle, my feed, my training program, anything again...and this horse wont buck. I am not saying the CSI pad was a miracle worker pad...The massage therapise says Hollys shoulder is always tight...from his wither down....I was told as a 4 year old (hes 14 now) that he got "jerked down" by a big head horse that anchored up on him when he was a colt and they were heeling on him. He must have an old injury deep down that bothers him from time to time...maybe a catch, maybe a stinger, maybe some scar tissue...SOMETHING that doesnt show up on thermal scan or xray or normal palpation....IDK...but that CSI pad saved me from having a worthless SOB that I was neverous of and no one wanted to having some people REALLY regretting not picking him up for $2500.

video of him bucking in pattern

https://www.facebook.com/courtneymae.taylor/videos/vb.100000960399944/586507521391256/?type=2&theater

wowzers..... now that is a story.....




I use a bmss and a 1" fleece bottom best ever pad....

truth is I guess u never really know what is wrong with them, hence they cant talk lol....

I personally think my girl is on lazy side, and my 2 little episodes were temper tantrums....


hauled her yesterday afternoon to a brand new arena for her, not a peep, rode like a champ, of course I lounged her firs wasn't long about 10 minutes or so, she was little looky and froggy but after 2 minutes into it she decided that was way too much work and settled right down, I got on her and off we went.... did everything I asked.....

will post a picture of her....this is right before I got on her after loungeing, she had just barely broke a sweat



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MOTIVATED
Reg. Nov 2008
Posted 2015-11-04 2:12 PM
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Ok...you see where your cinch D ring sits on your saddle pad....my pad had adjusted...or something...and that d ring of my cinch pinched right where it met that pad!!! He has identical white marks on both sides. You might keep an eye on that.............or is that your stirrup? i cant tell......you might be fine.

I am glad mine was such an easy fix. I hope yours ends up being that way too. 


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teamthompson
Reg. Feb 2010
Posted 2015-11-04 2:41 PM
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MOTIVATED - 2015-11-04 2:12 PM

Ok...you see where your cinch D ring sits on your saddle pad....my pad had adjusted...or something...and that d ring of my cinch pinched right where it met that pad!!! He has identical white marks on both sides. You might keep an eye on that.............or is that your stirrup? i cant tell......you might be fine.

I am glad mine was such an easy fix. I hope yours ends up being that way too.Β 

yes that's the d ring.... and yes I agree pad could be a couple inches longer but doesn't seem to bother her....

will keep an eye on it, thanks for pointing it out.....

I have tried a Saddleright Pad on my other mare she was ****ed, guess it was stiff but she came unglued...

sold it quickly.....
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Posted 2015-11-04 4:56 PM
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teamthompson - 2015-11-04 2:41 PM

MOTIVATED - 2015-11-04 2:12 PM

Ok...you see where your cinch D ring sits on your saddle pad....my pad had adjusted...or something...and that d ring of my cinch pinched right where it met that pad!!! He has identical white marks on both sides. You might keep an eye on that.............or is that your stirrup? i cant tell......you might be fine.

I am glad mine was such an easy fix. I hope yours ends up being that way too.Β 

yes that's the d ring.... and yes I agree pad could be a couple inches longer but doesn't seem to bother her....

will keep an eye on it, thanks for pointing it out.....

I have tried a Saddleright Pad on my other mare she was ****ed, guess it was stiff but she came unglued...

sold it quickly.....

the CSI pads are an initially expensive investment and then they definitely are easy to maintain. I would do some research on them....you have tried everything else it sounds like, she is a pretty mare, maybe her "attitude" isnt really an attitude towards work but towards comfort...and maybe not as obvious as we would like to think. Worse comes to worse the pad doesnt make a difference and you sell it back. my lady sells them, and buys them back for 25$ less...thats how well they hold their value. I can pm you her name if you would like. She will have it to you within the week i bet and then you can try it for a while. You wont have a problem selling it at all if you dont like it....i mean worse thing happens is that you sell your mare for 1/4 of what she might be worth like i was going to and it was something that could have been a much simpler fix.
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teamthompson
Reg. Feb 2010
Posted 2016-01-05 10:50 AM
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I bringing this thread back up for an update on my bucking situation

So i have the 4yo filly, needless to say Dr Tbone at Brazos Valley Equine in Navasota got us all fixed up...

We went on 12-9-15, Tbone says to me only thing i find wrong w ur mare is her poll, especially on the left, needless to say Frankie was getting really ****y w them even under sedation while they were trying to work on her, Tbone says " u need to leave her and let us do an acupuncture treatment on her poll/upper neck and work on that scar tissue mass"

We are headed to our first jackpot race, the bucking has completely stopped, she is riding better and better every day, she is calm and confident....

Just had to share, have a great day.......
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