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  Whack and Roll
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Location: NE Texas | Sorry, i'm still confused. I'm neither a scientist nor a doctor but am a fairly educated woman. So, Bear, you didn't buy the BCM-95 curcurmin as previously stated? Correct? You bought organic Turmeric at HEB? Not being snarky here, just trying to make sure I fully understand.
Secondly, no, BCM-95 Curcurmin is NOT the actual active ingredient in turmeric, regular curcurmin is. BCM-95 Curcurmin is different in that it has been developed through technology to improve the bioavailability and exclude the need for the added pepperdine and oil. I know you're trying to help others who want to try the paste without investing in the Cur-OST product, which is great, but the details you're providing are misleading and incorrect. It's important if we're going to advise, that the terminology used is correct, as the dosage would be VERY different from turmeric (2-5% absorbtion), to curcurmin (60% absorption rate), to BCM-95 Curcurmin (96% absorption rate). I will attach a quote from the earlier link I posted with additional information about BCM-95 Curcurmin.
"The Curcumin Revolution: Greatly Enhanced Bioavailability
Despite its impressive array of benefits, the effectiveness of oral supplementation with curcumin has been limited by poor absorption into the bloodstream through the digestive tract. In the past, a few formulators worked around this problem by adding a derivative of black pepper, piperine, which enhanced the absorption of ingredients such as curcumin.20 Scientists have long sought a more bioavailable form of curcumin to provide even greater pharmaceutical potencies to maximize curcumin’s efficacy.
Life Extension has reviewed numerous curcumin products that showed varying degrees of enhanced absorption. One published clinical study caught our attention. In it, a novel manufacturing technology was able to dramatically increase blood plasma curcumin to levels not previously seen through supple mentation. While only 50-60% of pure curcumin administered to animals is typically absorbed, this new technology increased the absorption of curcumin to a remarkable 96%.21 This impressive rise in bioavailability was achieved without the addition of piperine."
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Location: North Dakota | Lovin Life - 2016-01-08 10:26 AM I totally understand what you're saying with feeding a herd. I just have one on it and I've spent more in vet bills than I paid for him... so I'm sticking with the CurOst because he has a host of things to maintain besides the COPD. If I had others I that didn't have so many things I would probably try the recipes first.
Which Curost formula(s) are you using on your COPD horse? I have a horse with a cough and a couple containers of human Pure I'm thinking of playing around with....for now....to see.... | |
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Location: Where the long tails flow, ND | LMS - 2016-01-08 10:47 AM Lovin Life - 2016-01-08 10:26 AM I totally understand what you're saying with feeding a herd. I just have one on it and I've spent more in vet bills than I paid for him... so I'm sticking with the CurOst because he has a host of things to maintain besides the COPD. If I had others I that didn't have so many things I would probably try the recipes first. Which Curost formula(s) are you using on your COPD horse? I have a horse with a cough and a couple containers of human Pure I'm thinking of playing around with....for now....to see....
I used Total and Immune on mine. :) Immune for the first 90 days and now she is on Total. | |
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Whack and Roll
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Location: NE Texas | LMS - 2016-01-08 10:47 AM Lovin Life - 2016-01-08 10:26 AM I totally understand what you're saying with feeding a herd. I just have one on it and I've spent more in vet bills than I paid for him... so I'm sticking with the CurOst because he has a host of things to maintain besides the COPD. If I had others I that didn't have so many things I would probably try the recipes first. Which Curost formula(s) are you using on your COPD horse? I have a horse with a cough and a couple containers of human Pure I'm thinking of playing around with....for now....to see....
LMS, depending if the cough is wet or dry would be the first thing we need to determine, as COPD is treated differently than IAD, due to one being a "wet" condition with excess mucous and phlegm and the other being a more "dry" condition creating irritation. For COPD, as it is a wet condition usually with excess mucous production, you would use the EQ Total Support combined with the EQ Immune and Repair together for 90 days, then continue with the Total Support to maintenance. This was the condition I was dealing with. I would need to go back through my emails and review the IAD suggestions, but could certainly do that and let you know if needed. | |
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Location: Lala Land | LMS - 2016-01-08 10:47 AM
Lovin Life - 2016-01-08 10:26 AM I totally understand what you're saying with feeding a herd. I just have one on it and I've spent more in vet bills than I paid for him... so I'm sticking with the CurOst because he has a host of things to maintain besides the COPD. If I had others I that didn't have so many things I would probably try the recipes first.
Which Curost formula(s) are you using on your COPD horse? I have a horse with a cough and a couple containers of human Pure I'm thinking of playing around with....for now....to see....Â
I did the same thing Herbie did. 90 days of Total and Immune and now just Total. | |
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Location: North Dakota | It's the typical hay cough-not very productive at all. I'm thinking of trying to get the curcurmin in him via my pure and wanted to make sure that the only curcurmin you were feeding was in the form of the total support-I think I can do the math conversion from human Pure to total support equine and try it for a week or 2 if I have enough to see if there are benefits to this horse. If he eats it I will be amazed! Thanks for the info! | |
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Location: NE Texas | LMS - 2016-01-08 11:11 AM It's the typical hay cough-not very productive at all. I'm thinking of trying to get the curcurmin in him via my pure and wanted to make sure that the only curcurmin you were feeding was in the form of the total support-I think I can do the math conversion from human Pure to total support equine and try it for a week or 2 if I have enough to see if there are benefits to this horse. If he eats it I will be amazed! Thanks for the info!
You might contact the company to make sure the Hu Pure is ok and if the formulas are exactly the same. The EQ Immune and Repair was vital in my case. After i'd had such dramatic results after the first 30 days, I tried to cheat to save money, and backed down to just the Total Support then. My horse declined a bit and the mucous built back up a little bit. I immediately reordered the Immune & Repair and did the full 90 days of both products and have been on just the Total Support since the end of July with no issues. | |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Herbie - 2016-01-08 10:46 AM
Sorry, i'm still confused.  I'm neither a scientist nor a doctor but am a fairly educated woman. So, Bear, you didn't buy the BCM-95 curcurmin as previously stated? Correct? You bought organic Turmeric at HEB? Not being snarky here, just trying to make sure I fully understand. Â
Secondly, no, BCM-95 Curcurmin is NOT the actual active ingredient in turmeric, regular curcurmin is. BCM-95 Curcurmin is different in that it has been developed through technology to improve the bioavailability and exclude the need for the added pepperdine and oil. I know you're trying to help others who want to try the paste without investing in the Cur-OST product, which is great, but the details you're providing are misleading and incorrect. It's important if we're going to advise, that the terminology used is correct, as the dosage would be VERY different from turmeric (2-5% absorbtion), to curcurmin (60% absorption rate), to BCM-95 Curcurmin (96% absorption rate). I will attach a quote from the earlier link I posted with additional information about BCM-95 Curcurmin.
"The Curcumin Revolution: Greatly Enhanced Bioavailability
Despite its impressive array of benefits, the effectiveness of oral supplementation with curcumin has been limited by poor absorption into the bloodstream through the digestive tract. In the past, a few formulators worked around this problem by adding a derivative of black pepper, piperine, which enhanced the absorption of ingredients such as curcumin.20 Scientists have long sought a more bioavailable form of curcumin to provide even greater pharmaceutical potencies to maximize curcumin’s efficacy.
Life Extension has reviewed numerous curcumin products that showed varying degrees of enhanced absorption. One published clinical study caught our attention. In it, a novel manufacturing technology was able to dramatically increase blood plasma curcumin to levels not previously seen through supple mentation. While only 50-60% of pure curcumin administered to animals is typically absorbed, this new technology increased the absorption of curcumin to a remarkable 96%.21 This impressive rise in bioavailability was achieved without the addition of piperine."
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No, sorry for the confusion, Herbie. My mistake. I just went ahead and bought pure organic turmeric and used the recipe off the turmeric group from FB.
I also found bulk BCM-95 Curcumin for $201 per kilogram online.
Please stop throwing the "I'm not a doctor but..." line in here. I'm just trying to be helpful. There are many equally sensational results as yours reported by people who use both turmeric as well as the BCM-95 curcumin. Also, just to reiterate, if I had a special horse like yours with exceptionally difficult problems, I would probably go straight to the Cur-Ost. I think what Dr Shell did is great. I just think people want to try something less expensive that might offer equally good results. I respect and understand why he refuse to disclose the amounts of the ingredients, even though I wish he would. He states the amount of the "blend" but refuses to comment on the amount of active ingredient. | |
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Whack and Roll
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Location: NE Texas | Haha, well i'm not a doctor! Just stating the facts and didn't intend it to be offensive. I'm sure there are many who appreciate your help and I do think it's absolutely beneficial, but just want to be sure that we provide them with the correct information and verbage to ensure someone doesn't buy bcm-95 and then dose it like turmeric. I don't know if it would be harmful, but I would say that there are alot of things that are good in correct doses, but can be harmful and even lethal if the dosage was miscalculated, especially if administered by almost 20 times, as you'd have to do for turmeric to reach the 96% of bcm-95.
Really there is no comparison from the impact of the paste vs the impact of the Total Support anyway, as i've done both. The additional herbs and ingredients in the Cur-OST product send the results far beyond what the paste is able to do. I guess I question only using the Cur-OST in a "critical" case. If you could achieve marginal improvement for a patient suffering from arthritis vs almost 100% improvement in the same patient, why not go for the gusto? Why is only the critical patient deserving of the most potent formula?
I bought a whole box of turmeric powder and did the paste as well for a while, it just didn't offer enough power for me, and yes, I had a critical case. I have provided alot of information on this post alone as to the differences between turmeric, curcurmin, bcm-95 curcurmin. It's important for us to educate ourselves if we're going to self treat. I know your patients rely on you and your expertise so they don't have to do recreate the wheel, do the research in interactions and dosages. Heck I have even contacted you for your help before....remember my faulty thermometer??? HAHA, what a goofball I am! I was certain I was dying. Anyway, your patients rely on you to treat them and they compensate you for your knowledge and your expertise. I feel the same way about the Cur-OST team/product and Nouvelle Research. They have spent years developing these products and they began with Dr. Schell's personal cancer story and were developed out of necessity to restore his own health when doctors and western medicine weren't able to. I too have spent alot of time educating myself on each of the ingredients in the blend, but I don't have the capabilities to test each of those in conjuction with each other. And really why would I want to? It's already been done and has proven effective. I've seen it over a hundred times and get at least 10 messages a week from either people or horses who have stories, some miraculous like mine.
I'm not trying to disrespectful to you, but some of the information you provided has been misleading and the verbage is incorrect. I don't want anyone hurting themselves or their horses by buying BCM-95 and dosing it like turmeric.
Edited by Herbie 2016-01-08 11:55 AM
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Yes, I remember you asking me about that Herbie. I hope I clarified things, and apologize for the mistake.
I'm fairly confident some people will find the less expensive remedy to be quite helpful. If so, then that would be rewarding. My personal advise would be to visit the Facebook Turmeric group and read what they have to say, then try either the turmeric recipe I posted, or go ahead and go to the BCM-95 Curcumin, recognizing that the Curcumin is like 20X more potent because that is the active ingredient. Save yourself $$$.
The literature is chock full of articles addressing intestinal absorption of Curcumin. There doesn't appear to be a lot of mystery here. | |
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Location: Sunny So Cal | I love THE, it really helped my horse. Bob based a supplement off of her bloodwork and it cleared everything up that was going on. She had a weird allergy that would make her joints (in her legs) swell and ooze, huge hives all over and she couldn't breathe. After being on the supplement for 4 weeks it cleared everything up and I was sold on the product. Prior to THE I went to the vet and they couldn't figure it out, she was on 6cc of Dex, eating powdered dex and they even tried antibiotics. No relief and she seemed to be getting worse. I have a horse who has special needs. The vet jokes around how only this would happen to my horse. I have put all my horses on it and I'm super happy with the results. But again, I think every horse responds differently to every supplement so you may have to try both to see what works best for your horse. Plus THE is super affordable, I have a herd to feed therefore I was happy I ended up saving money. Even with the custom supplement it was surprising super affordable. | |
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| I received my CurOst Stomach and adapt today and my ultra picky, will hardly eat anything but hay, gelding licked his bucket clean! | |
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| ShortnRound - 2016-01-11 7:38 PM
I received my CurOst Stomach and adapt today and my ultra picky, will hardly eat anything but hay, gelding licked his bucket clean!
You will see very quick results with those 2 formulas. They are awesome. | |
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Location: Where the long tails flow, ND | ShortnRound - 2016-01-11 9:38 PM I received my CurOst Stomach and adapt today and my ultra picky, will hardly eat anything but hay, gelding licked his bucket clean!
It's really neat, all my horses lick their pans clean! I wasn't expecting it when I started them either. | |
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