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MS2011
Reg. Mar 2005
Posted 2016-01-20 9:27 AM
Subject: Champion's Challenge Rodeos - Qualifications



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 We've cussed and discussed ERA and American rules, this has been all over FB the last few days and I feel like it's important.  There's always been controversery about counting the CC rodeos toward the NFR because it's such a limited field of contestants allowed to play and they pay so well.  Many of the top contestants will tell you that they really shouldn't count, but if they're qualified - it's pretty tough to pass up the chance for additional $$$ when you're trying to make Vegas.  Here's the short version - they've changed the CC so that it's a sponsor draft for who gets to play.  Aaron Tsinigine (sp?) 2015 world champion header and Cody Teel number 2 in the world were not drafted.....but some heelers were drafted from 13th-14th positions..  It seems important that fans know exactly how the PRCA is choosing to run some things - it might make you a bit more understanding of why ERA was created (or it might not)....nonetheless, this smacks of a 'good ol boys club' and just seems wrong on so many levels.

Here's a fb post from Jim Ross Cooper -
Do my Facebook friends remember when Rodeo (PRCA) was a sport that wasn't infested with political agendas?? well guess what the news the day is? The Champions Challenge events that take 10 teams or contestants that already sucks because of the complete unfair advantage it gives you, since you only rope against 10 guys and pays like a top 18 rodeo.... well it was already pretty screwed up in my opinion because 1) rodeo has always been what i call a "prove yourself" sport. no guarantees, no bye weeks, no way to beat the field unless you roped better than everyone else in that year. After originally giving the top 7 in the world from the previous year, say '13, got byes into All of the Champions challenge events in '14. that already goes against what i believe the midwestern people of America believes in, which is earning your own way. GET THIS: they had a draft today to see who gets into the champions challenges for 2016 and changed the rules up a little bit.... the sponsors wanted the right to draft whoever they wanted from the top 15 instead of the top ropers being guaranteed a spot. pardon my language, but listen to this ****. Aaron Tsiginie, our current world champion, didn't get drafted on a team. wow. but i think the 13th and 14th finishing heelers in the world did get drafted. the best part is, some of the guys knew the new format before the NFR and used that time to kiss the asses of all the sponsors to try and sneak in. and it worked. I'm outraged. it was my belief that rodeo was the last sport where politicking and ass kisssing didn't matter as much as what you do with your skill and will. this is obviously not the case anymore. PRCA and Sponsors should be ashamed of yourselves for stooping so low. Im definitely not for the ERA because of their extremely lax and borderline fraudulent system for picking who is in their "elite" association. (mostly family and friends/ people who are invested in it or know sponsors who are helping out financially). but its one thing for a private rodeo league to pick and choose based on things other than winning and the best contestants..... its a whole other ordeal when a Member Association allows its main "tour" to become so corrupt. It's bad enough that if you win one of the 4-5 winter rodeos you can be eligible for the entire season of these "showcase" events.. but now it comes down to politicking and who can smoooze the best? i better get a book by Dale Carnegie "how to win friends and influence people" and just stop practicing my roping since we as an association are crumbling from our foundation of skill and will to one of friends and favors. so if you agree or don't, let me know your opinion. Post on the PRCA rodeo page, post or email/ call the sponsors. Let them know the working people of America who aren't vegetarians or afraid to shoot a deer or plow a field, or just your normal country people don't appreciate their cronyism and ass kissing ways replacing the whole point of any sport.... to see where you stack up against your fellow competitors. And if you are one of the people who used this to your advantage, Im not mad at you or even blame you, BUT i do blame the system that makes it possible for you or anyone else to get into the best rodeos with your mouth in stead of your talent. This will affect NFR qualifications and World Championships. Realize the power you have as fans and stand up against this kind of mockery of our sport before the exception become the rule and rodeos can pick and choose who they want instead of having the best decide it in the arena. Cinch Jeans and shirts this goes for you too. the People at Cinch routinely leave out whoever speaks against them or doesn't suck up to them and their company when it comes to their events as well. google who got to team rope at the Cinch Shoot out in Ellensburg, Wa in 2015 if you don't believe me.
After i made a post about Cinch last year about not even having all the events at their performances.. they then added all the events and made it right or more right in my opinion. But when it came time for the Orleans Cinch Shootout during the finals, there were guys invited that finished the year below me that got invites. Personally i couldn't care less(my checkbook cares though), but if we as a Rodeo Community continue to let these politicians and businessmen pick and choose their favorites all the time, where will it stop?? so you guys want to be shady and do things that the people who love and support rodeo wouldn't stand for because u think no one will freak out??? I'm your man.. ill freak out. I have only 2 real sponsors. Tate Branch Auto group thats from my hometown and have a family relationship with, and Classic Ropes, who I get free ropes from and a bonus if i make the finals. If i lose them both, it would be worth it to shed some light on the state of our Organization. Couple more things; 1) the Champions Challenge events were sold to the cowboys and more national tv time which would greatly help our sponsors. I have yet to hear of a single cowboy getting a sponsor because of those events. 2) after calling out Cinch last year for not including all the events in their rodeos, a Cinch rep tried to find out who some of my sponsors were so they could put pressure on me to keep my mouth closed.
If we don't start standing up for ourselves, where will the PRCA, ERA, CINCH and others stop?? to my fellow contestants: stand up for yourselves. back me here if you agree. Most of you are too scared to **** a sponsor/organization off to be honest about thoughts on some of these issues or they keep quiet hoping that they will get picked next. Not this guy. Id rather have no sponsors or money or friends that rodeo if this is they way its headed. Stand for something or you'll fall for anything. leave your comments or opinions below, share, whatever we can do to let them know that we are aware of the shady practices going on and won't stand for it anymore. it might be too late, but people, you have the power. you buy the rodeo tickets. you watch the nfr. let the PRCA, ERA , Cinch know that you want the best cowboys, no matter what. not "voted in by the board" or "kissed the most sponsor butts" sorry I'm not sorry for the angry, rant/ post. I'm passionate about this sport. It's been great to my family and i want to see it elevate others as well...... but only on their roping merits, not on bull****ting ability or having family on the inside. Love you all.. id ask my fellow contestants to not take this personally, but if you do so be it. Y'all know how to get in touch with me. Thank you for taking the time if you made it this far.
 
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NJJ
Reg. Jul 2006
Posted 2016-01-20 9:47 AM
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MS2011 - 2016-01-20 9:27 AM  - it might make you a bit more understanding of why ERA was created (or it might not)....nonetheless, this smacks of a 'good ol boys club' and just seems wrong on so many levels.

 

 Just another way for the PRCA to screw over their members......pandering to the advertisers instead of what is in the "BEST INTEREST" of the members. IF the money did NOT count toward qualifying for the NFR it would not be an issue........
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Reg. Dec 2007
Posted 2016-01-20 10:11 AM
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NJJ - 2016-01-20 9:47 AM
MS2011 - 2016-01-20 9:27 AM  - it might make you a bit more understanding of why ERA was created (or it might not)....nonetheless, this smacks of a 'good ol boys club' and just seems wrong on so many levels.

 
 Just another way for the PRCA to screw over their members......pandering to the advertisers instead of what is in the "BEST INTEREST" of the members. IF the money did NOT count toward qualifying for the NFR it would not be an issue........

 Ditto 
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ksjackofalltrades
Reg. Jan 2005
Posted 2016-01-20 11:10 AM
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Well I don't think the ERA is any better.  Just less of the "Good Ole Boys" get to play.   
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NJJ
Reg. Jul 2006
Posted 2016-01-20 11:34 AM
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ksjackofalltrades - 2016-01-20 11:10 AM Well I don't think the ERA is any better.  Just less of the "Good Ole Boys" get to play.   
IMO, you are comparing apples to oranges......the PRCA was fundamentally created for the benefit of the MEMBERS (cowboys).....the ERA was created for the benefit of the "owners"........two entirely different concepts.  

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Cowjazz
Reg. Apr 2006
Posted 2016-01-20 11:38 AM
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I personally feel that if it is "NOT" open to all members, then it should "NOT" count towards the Finals.  The "ELITE "rodeo assn.....don't even get me started there!

 
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RocketPilot
Reg. Jun 2006
Posted 2016-01-20 10:44 PM
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Cowjazz - 2016-01-20 11:38 AM I personally feel that if it is "NOT" open to all members, then it should "NOT" count towards the Finals.  The "ELITE "rodeo assn.....don't even get me started there!



 

Could not agree more.  And if your event champion cannot enter the Champions Challenge, how does that make sense? 
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MS2011
Reg. Mar 2005
Posted 2016-01-21 8:28 AM
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This is a great article about one person standing up for what they believe on the CC rodeos....of course it hasn't gotten much press.

http://m.rapidcityjournal.com/news/local/chad-ferley-misses-big-payday-doesn-t-regret-it/article_18aa501e-1055-57a3-bbe0-d09c5a75bb0e.html
Chad Ferley misses big payday, doesn't regret it
  • Joe Kavanaugh Journal correspondent
  • Dec 29, 2015
When the Professional Rodeo Cowboys Association 2015 season concluded in early December with the National Finals Rodeo in Las Vegas, one of the sport's stars was missing.
By choice. By principle.  When the 2015 event capped off the most lucrative year in PRCA history with more than $10 million dollars awarded to the NFR qualifiers, Chad Ferley, two-time world champion saddle bronc rider, was at the family ranch in Oelrichs, about as far as possible from the glitter of The Strip and rodeo gold.  The top money earner at this year’s NFR was bareback rider Steven Peeples, who collected more than $234,000. Nine other competitors earned more than $150,000 in the event’s 10-day run, big money indeed in a sport in which the rodeo athletes pay their own way from the word go.  Ferley instead chose to set aside a chance at a third gold buckle, and a possible six-figure payout, to stand by a principle.  The genesis of Ferley's decision came a couple of years ago, when the PRCA introduced a new circuit to the rodeo schedule, the Wrangler Champions Challenge, a series of competitions featuring the sport’s elite, an occurrence not always possible when busy schedules often prevent top hands from appearing in the same performance at the same rodeo.  When the Wranglers Champions Challenge format was announced, PRCA Commissioner Karl Stressman said, "We have a great sport, the original American sport, and we want to showcase our great athletes and stock against each other to give our fans the best possible show.”  At the time, Ferley had no problem with the format.  “I didn’t mind them too much right away when they were just going to have them and the money didn’t count in the standings” to qualify for the NFR, Ferley said.  But the elite who qualified for the Champions Challenge events would skip them, opting instead to compete in simultaneously scheduled rodeos in which prize money earned did count toward year-end standings.  So the PRCA changed the format, counting Champions Challenge earnings.  “I think it probably helped the number of entries since people were more inclined to go to these (the Wrangler Champions Challenge events) when they knew it was going to count toward their world standings, so I’m sure that had a lot to do with it,” said Taryn Cass of the PRCA’s Procom staff.  So Ferley took a stand.  “When they decided to count the money in the (year-end) standings I didn’t agree with that,” Ferley said. “I just felt that it left a lot of guys out of the mix and made it a lot harder for the young guys to get up there (into the top 15 and thereby qualifying for the NFR) when the other guys have such an advantage.”  Despite being one of the “other guys” who stood to profit most by the new format, Ferley chose to pass up a chance at possible big payouts at the 10 Champions Challenge events. He elected to stand up for the little guys, the host of saddle bronc riders not among the elite and thus denied a shot at padding year-end standings with possible Champions Challenge profits.  The result of Ferley’s principled stand: a 16th place finish in the 2015 year-end PRCA standings, $572.62 shy of qualifying for the 2015 NFR qualification, which would have given him an opportunity to add another world championship gold buckle to those he earned in 2006 and 2013.  He also missed a possible six-figure payout.  “I knew it would cost me some money, but I decided that I was probably going to skip most of them, and I did,” Ferley said while enjoying the Christmas holiday with wife, Jessica, and daughters Teigan, 4, and Sawyer, 1. “I only went to one of them (2015 Black Hills Stock Show), and that was because they begged me to go to Rapid City.”  Troy Crowser, a Whitewood native and resident and Chad Ferley’s travel partner in 2015, has little doubt that Ferley would have qualified for the NFR had he chosen to set aside principle for profit.  “You can’t say for sure, of course, but he probably would have won quite a bit of money at the Champions Challenges,” said Crowser who had the misfortune of finishing 16th in 2014 and knows the sting of missing out on a trip to Las Vegas by those precious few dollars. “But they are as unfair as it comes. It allows the top guys who are already doing well have more of a chance than the guys below them, and for Chad to take a stand like that says a lot about the kind of guy he is.”  As for regrets, none at all said Ferley.  “No, no, it is what it is," Ferley said matter-of-factly, clearly comfortable with his choice.  "I had an opportunity to go to more rodeos if I wanted to. I didn’t rodeo terribly hard, I probably entered 60 rodeos, but I probably only went to 35. I could have gone to more rodeos and still been fine. As for the Champions Challenges, I said I wasn’t going to go to them a long time ago, and so I kept my word and didn’t.”

 
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NJJ
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IMO, the PRCA is doing exactly what the ERA has proposed....they are weeding out the "little" guys by allowing the "select few" to count the money won in closed rodeos or these Champion's Challenge rodeos. None of this money should count for NFR qualification! 
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Posted 2016-01-21 1:13 PM
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MS2011 - 2016-01-21 8:28 AM This is a great article about one person standing up for what they believe on the CC rodeos....of course it hasn't gotten much press.



http://m.rapidcityjournal.com/news/local/chad-ferley-misses-big-pay...

Chad Ferley misses big payday, doesn't regret it


  • Joe Kavanaugh Journal correspondent

  • Dec 29, 2015








When the Professional Rodeo Cowboys Association 2015 season concluded in early December with the National Finals Rodeo in Las Vegas, one of the sport's stars was missing.

By choice. By principle.  When the 2015 event capped off the most lucrative year in PRCA history with more than $10 million dollars awarded to the NFR qualifiers, Chad Ferley, two-time world champion saddle bronc rider, was at the family ranch in Oelrichs, about as far as possible from the glitter of The Strip and rodeo gold.  The top money earner at this year’s NFR was bareback rider Steven Peeples, who collected more than $234,000. Nine other competitors earned more than $150,000 in the event’s 10-day run, big money indeed in a sport in which the rodeo athletes pay their own way from the word go.  Ferley instead chose to set aside a chance at a third gold buckle, and a possible six-figure payout, to stand by a principle.  The genesis of Ferley's decision came a couple of years ago, when the PRCA introduced a new circuit to the rodeo schedule, the Wrangler Champions Challenge, a series of competitions featuring the sport’s elite, an occurrence not always possible when busy schedules often prevent top hands from appearing in the same performance at the same rodeo.  When the Wranglers Champions Challenge format was announced, PRCA Commissioner Karl Stressman said, "We have a great sport, the original American sport, and we want to showcase our great athletes and stock against each other to give our fans the best possible show.”  At the time, Ferley had no problem with the format.  “I didn’t mind them too much right away when they were just going to have them and the money didn’t count in the standings” to qualify for the NFR, Ferley said.  But the elite who qualified for the Champions Challenge events would skip them, opting instead to compete in simultaneously scheduled rodeos in which prize money earned did count toward year-end standings.  So the PRCA changed the format, counting Champions Challenge earnings.  “I think it probably helped the number of entries since people were more inclined to go to these (the Wrangler Champions Challenge events) when they knew it was going to count toward their world standings, so I’m sure that had a lot to do with it,” said Taryn Cass of the PRCA’s Procom staff.  So Ferley took a stand.  “When they decided to count the money in the (year-end) standings I didn’t agree with that,” Ferley said. “I just felt that it left a lot of guys out of the mix and made it a lot harder for the young guys to get up there (into the top 15 and thereby qualifying for the NFR) when the other guys have such an advantage.”  Despite being one of the “other guys” who stood to profit most by the new format, Ferley chose to pass up a chance at possible big payouts at the 10 Champions Challenge events. He elected to stand up for the little guys, the host of saddle bronc riders not among the elite and thus denied a shot at padding year-end standings with possible Champions Challenge profits.  The result of Ferley’s principled stand: a 16th place finish in the 2015 year-end PRCA standings, $572.62 shy of qualifying for the 2015 NFR qualification, which would have given him an opportunity to add another world championship gold buckle to those he earned in 2006 and 2013.  He also missed a possible six-figure payout.  “I knew it would cost me some money, but I decided that I was probably going to skip most of them, and I did,” Ferley said while enjoying the Christmas holiday with wife, Jessica, and daughters Teigan, 4, and Sawyer, 1. “I only went to one of them (2015 Black Hills Stock Show), and that was because they begged me to go to Rapid City.”  Troy Crowser, a Whitewood native and resident and Chad Ferley’s travel partner in 2015, has little doubt that Ferley would have qualified for the NFR had he chosen to set aside principle for profit.  “You can’t say for sure, of course, but he probably would have won quite a bit of money at the Champions Challenges,” said Crowser who had the misfortune of finishing 16th in 2014 and knows the sting of missing out on a trip to Las Vegas by those precious few dollars. “But they are as unfair as it comes. It allows the top guys who are already doing well have more of a chance than the guys below them, and for Chad to take a stand like that says a lot about the kind of guy he is.”  As for regrets, none at all said Ferley.  “No, no, it is what it is," Ferley said matter-of-factly, clearly comfortable with his choice.  "I had an opportunity to go to more rodeos if I wanted to. I didn’t rodeo terribly hard, I probably entered 60 rodeos, but I probably only went to 35. I could have gone to more rodeos and still been fine. As for the Champions Challenges, I said I wasn’t going to go to them a long time ago, and so I kept my word and didn’t.”







 

I had read the article about Chad and his stance.  With the money out there, it is hard to turn down for a cowboy trying to go down the road.  He is definitely a man with principles.  The PRCA could use a few more of those. 
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kidlover
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Posted 2016-01-21 7:47 PM
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 I don't think these should count for the standings, but when I read over the drafted
teams, I didn't see any names that are affiliated with the ERA, which I thought was interesting.
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