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| kdb2qq - 2016-01-01 10:01 PM
I read a transcript from the interview between Dassey and the Investigator that appears in one of the episodes, and quite a bit was left out. In the episode it appeared the investigator was "feeding" Dassey info, but when you read the entire transcript, that doesn't appear to be the case. I also read a few full transcripts of phone conversations between Dassey and his mother (parts of which were in the episodes). In those transcripts he accused Avery of molesting him, yet I'm not sure if that was even brought out in the police investigation (although I'm sure it may have been). He told his mother that's why he went along with the attack on Halbach (before he recanted his statement), said he was afraid of Avery.
In addition to that, Halbach had previously made several complaints to her employer about Avery, as she felt very uncomfortable around him due to several incidents. In one such incident he came to the door wearing nothing but a towel and made suggestive gestures to her. On the day in question she thought she was going to meet Avery's sister, not Avery, according to all indications. It was discovered on that same day Avery called her twice from his phone, but used *67 so she wouldn't know who was calling.
I personally believe evidence was without a doubt planted. However, I also believe Avery and Dassey are guilty. That's just my opinion though, and I'd love to hear everyone else's thoughts.
I did the same as you and came to the same conclusion! | |
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Location: Kentucky | FlyingJT - 2016-01-27 1:40 PM kdb2qq - 2016-01-01 10:01 PM I read a transcript from the interview between Dassey and the Investigator that appears in one of the episodes, and quite a bit was left out. In the episode it appeared the investigator was "feeding" Dassey info, but when you read the entire transcript, that doesn't appear to be the case. I also read a few full transcripts of phone conversations between Dassey and his mother (parts of which were in the episodes). In those transcripts he accused Avery of molesting him, yet I'm not sure if that was even brought out in the police investigation (although I'm sure it may have been). He told his mother that's why he went along with the attack on Halbach (before he recanted his statement), said he was afraid of Avery. In addition to that, Halbach had previously made several complaints to her employer about Avery, as she felt very uncomfortable around him due to several incidents. In one such incident he came to the door wearing nothing but a towel and made suggestive gestures to her. On the day in question she thought she was going to meet Avery's sister, not Avery, according to all indications. It was discovered on that same day Avery called her twice from his phone, but used *67 so she wouldn't know who was calling. I personally believe evidence was without a doubt planted. However, I also believe Avery and Dassey are guilty. That's just my opinion though, and I'd love to hear everyone else's thoughts. I did the same as you and came to the same conclusion!
Still doesn't explain the lack of DNA evidence in the trailer and the garage where this was said to occur. There's no way anyone could clean up a mess like that.
Also, Brendan said that Steven molested him in the 12-15 months he was out of jail in 2003-2005? That was fast. Brendan was not even born when Steven was in prison the first time. | |
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| Murphy - 2016-01-27 12:59 PM
FlyingJT - 2016-01-27 1:40 PM kdb2qq - 2016-01-01 10:01 PM I read a transcript from the interview between Dassey and the Investigator that appears in one of the episodes, and quite a bit was left out. In the episode it appeared the investigator was "feeding" Dassey info, but when you read the entire transcript, that doesn't appear to be the case. I also read a few full transcripts of phone conversations between Dassey and his mother (parts of which were in the episodes). In those transcripts he accused Avery of molesting him, yet I'm not sure if that was even brought out in the police investigation (although I'm sure it may have been). He told his mother that's why he went along with the attack on Halbach (before he recanted his statement), said he was afraid of Avery. In addition to that, Halbach had previously made several complaints to her employer about Avery, as she felt very uncomfortable around him due to several incidents. In one such incident he came to the door wearing nothing but a towel and made suggestive gestures to her. On the day in question she thought she was going to meet Avery's sister, not Avery, according to all indications. It was discovered on that same day Avery called her twice from his phone, but used *67 so she wouldn't know who was calling. I personally believe evidence was without a doubt planted. However, I also believe Avery and Dassey are guilty. That's just my opinion though, and I'd love to hear everyone else's thoughts. I did the same as you and came to the same conclusion!
Also, Brendan said that Steven molested him in the 12-15 months he was out of jail in 2003-2005? That was fast. Brendan was not even born when Steven was in prison the first time.
I don't think she was killed in the house, there would have been way too much blood. I also don't think Dassey had a part other than helping burn the body. I think she was tied up in the back of her car, either stabbed in it or stabbed outside and then put in the car. Then she was dropped off in the burn pile and the car was taken out in the salvage yard. Then I think they burned her. The police planted the keys, Avery's blood in the car, the shell casings in the garage.
I think the police knew they didn't have enough evidence to put him away and planted what they could.
I still have many unanswered questions such as: how did the cop know the type of car she was driving if he wasn't looking at it when he called in to the station? Why would the brother and ex-boyfriend listen to her voicemail messages and delete one? How did some of her bones end up in the rock quarry and why was there bones in the trash barrel and burn pit? Why wouldn't they of crushed the car?
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| I go back and forth thinking Avery is guilty. As of now I think he is. However I think the police planted evidence to make sure he would be locked up. I do feel Brendon is innocent. He was the easy target for police. He has a IQ of 69 and never fully understood what was happening to him. I feel he is the true injustice of the story. | |
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Location: Tennessee | Anybody have any different feelings after his ex-girlfriend Jodi came out about what she now says their relationship was really like? I stand by my original thoughts, which is I believe the police DID plant evidence, but also that he killed her.
As far as lack of Halbach's DNA, I don't think she was killed in the trailer or the garage. I think this all occurred somewhere else on the compound. | |
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Location: NE Texas | The new theory that has been posted a few places about the step dad and the other Dassey brother doing it is interesting to me. I don't think Steven did it. Do I think he's a good guy and would I want him or any of his family living next to me.....heck no, but I don't think they did this. It was all too conveniently found right where the police would look.
Of course then there is also the theory of Edward Wayne Edwards, who is now deceased, but has been found to be the serial killer that nobody has ever heard of. It was not the killing that excited him, but rather the framing of the people he enjoyed. He allegedly is the Zodiac Killer and almost 20 people who were previously incarcerated have been released due to new evidence and finding out that Edward Wayne Edwards framed them.
I don't think Steven and Brenden did it. I don't even think they were involved. Not to say there wasn't some foul play by some other members of that family and found ol Steven as an easy target. Bobby Dassey and the step dad, Hashke (?) sure had convenient stories of passing each other on the roadway going hunting.
And then the part when the deputy called in the plates of the Rav 4 three days before the car was found? Where was the car at that time? | |
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Location: Kentucky | Herbie - 2016-02-03 11:22 AM The new theory that has been posted a few places about the step dad and the other Dassey brother doing it is interesting to me. I don't think Steven did it. Do I think he's a good guy and would I want him or any of his family living next to me.....heck no, but I don't think they did this. It was all too conveniently found right where the police would look.
Of course then there is also the theory of Edward Wayne Edwards, who is now deceased, but has been found to be the serial killer that nobody has ever heard of. It was not the killing that excited him, but rather the framing of the people he enjoyed. He allegedly is the Zodiac Killer and almost 20 people who were previously incarcerated have been released due to new evidence and finding out that Edward Wayne Edwards framed them.
I don't think Steven and Brenden did it. I don't even think they were involved. Not to say there wasn't some foul play by some other members of that family and found ol Steven as an easy target. Bobby Dassey and the step dad, Hashke (?) sure had convenient stories of passing each other on the roadway going hunting.
And then the part when the deputy called in the plates of the Rav 4 three days before the car was found? Where was the car at that time?
Ditto. Scott and Bobby were each other's alibi, and even they couldn't agree on the times they saw each other.
They both went "bow hunting" at 3:30PM in the fall. Who does that? Don't hunters go in the early morning? | |
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| kdb2qq - 2016-01-27 9:37 PM
Anybody have any different feelings after his ex-girlfriend Jodi came out about what she now says their relationship was really like? I stand by my original thoughts, which is I believe the police DID plant evidence, but also that he killed her.
As far as lack of Halbach's DNA, I don't think she was killed in the trailer or the garage. I think this all occurred somewhere else on the compound.
I actually believe someone, on the prosecution, probably Kreepy Kratz, paid her to go away and back up their story. There is something weird about her, but it's very strange that she's his fiance and she loves him, and then ALL of a sudden, he's a creep and she's disappeared.
But, what about the new girlfriend? That older lady, that was in the last few episodes? THAT is creepy! | |
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Location: Where the long tails flow, ND | OutlawsLastDance - 2016-02-03 12:14 PM kdb2qq - 2016-01-27 9:37 PM Anybody have any different feelings after his ex-girlfriend Jodi came out about what she now says their relationship was really like? I stand by my original thoughts, which is I believe the police DID plant evidence, but also that he killed her. As far as lack of Halbach's DNA, I don't think she was killed in the trailer or the garage. I think this all occurred somewhere else on the compound. I actually believe someone, on the prosecution, probably Kreepy Kratz, paid her to go away and back up their story. There is something weird about her, but it's very strange that she's his fiance and she loves him, and then ALL of a sudden, he's a creep and she's disappeared. But, what about the new girlfriend? That older lady, that was in the last few episodes? THAT is creepy!
OMG I was wondering if I was the only one that thought that was weird??
Or the fact that in the first episode or so they state Avery doesn't even own underwear? So bizzare! | |
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Location: mi | Murphy - 2016-02-03 11:26 AM Herbie - 2016-02-03 11:22 AM The new theory that has been posted a few places about the step dad and the other Dassey brother doing it is interesting to me. I don't think Steven did it. Do I think he's a good guy and would I want him or any of his family living next to me.....heck no, but I don't think they did this. It was all too conveniently found right where the police would look.
Of course then there is also the theory of Edward Wayne Edwards, who is now deceased, but has been found to be the serial killer that nobody has ever heard of. It was not the killing that excited him, but rather the framing of the people he enjoyed. He allegedly is the Zodiac Killer and almost 20 people who were previously incarcerated have been released due to new evidence and finding out that Edward Wayne Edwards framed them.
I don't think Steven and Brenden did it. I don't even think they were involved. Not to say there wasn't some foul play by some other members of that family and found ol Steven as an easy target. Bobby Dassey and the step dad, Hashke (?) sure had convenient stories of passing each other on the roadway going hunting.
And then the part when the deputy called in the plates of the Rav 4 three days before the car was found? Where was the car at that time? Ditto. Scott and Bobby were each other's alibi, and even they couldn't agree on the times they saw each other.
They both went "bow hunting" at 3:30PM in the fall. Who does that? Don't hunters go in the early morning?
You bow hunt in the fall in the morning and in the afternoon. Heading out at 3:30 is not unusual at all. Hubby works an 8 hour day and is often headed into the woods at 3:30-4:00pm. | |
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Location: Kentucky | ajs2002 - 2016-02-03 2:14 PM Murphy - 2016-02-03 11:26 AM Herbie - 2016-02-03 11:22 AM The new theory that has been posted a few places about the step dad and the other Dassey brother doing it is interesting to me. I don't think Steven did it. Do I think he's a good guy and would I want him or any of his family living next to me.....heck no, but I don't think they did this. It was all too conveniently found right where the police would look.
Of course then there is also the theory of Edward Wayne Edwards, who is now deceased, but has been found to be the serial killer that nobody has ever heard of. It was not the killing that excited him, but rather the framing of the people he enjoyed. He allegedly is the Zodiac Killer and almost 20 people who were previously incarcerated have been released due to new evidence and finding out that Edward Wayne Edwards framed them.
I don't think Steven and Brenden did it. I don't even think they were involved. Not to say there wasn't some foul play by some other members of that family and found ol Steven as an easy target. Bobby Dassey and the step dad, Hashke (?) sure had convenient stories of passing each other on the roadway going hunting.
And then the part when the deputy called in the plates of the Rav 4 three days before the car was found? Where was the car at that time? Ditto. Scott and Bobby were each other's alibi, and even they couldn't agree on the times they saw each other.
They both went "bow hunting" at 3:30PM in the fall. Who does that? Don't hunters go in the early morning?
I still think it's strange... their story does not add up. The uncle said 3:30 and the step-kid said 2:30. | |
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Location: Southeast Louisiana | cn1705 - 2016-01-03 8:38 AM
kdb2qq - 2016-01-01 10:01 PM I read a transcript from the interview between Dassey and the Investigator that appears in one of the episodes, and quite a bit was left out. In the episode it appeared the investigator was "feeding" Dassey info, but when you read the entire transcript, that doesn't appear to be the case. I also read a few full transcripts of phone conversations between Dassey and his mother (parts of which were in the episodes). In those transcripts he accused Avery of molesting him, yet I'm not sure if that was even brought out in the police investigation (although I'm sure it may have been). He told his mother that's why he went along with the attack on Halbach (before he recanted his statement), said he was afraid of Avery. In addition to that, Halbach had previously made several complaints to her employer about Avery, as she felt very uncomfortable around him due to several incidents. In one such incident he came to the door wearing nothing but a towel and made suggestive gestures to her. On the day in question she thought she was going to meet Avery's sister, not Avery, according to all indications. It was discovered on that same day Avery called her twice from his phone, but used *67 so she wouldn't know who was calling. I personally believe evidence was without a doubt planted. However, I also believe Avery and Dassey are guilty. That's just my opinion though, and I'd love to hear everyone else's thoughts.
Agree with you on a lot of this. I did some research as well and there were undoubtedly things that were not mentioned. I have a major issue with Dassey being in Jail. He is clearly has learning disabilities and now they have him so mixed up he probably doesn't even know what the truth is anymore. The reason I think Dassey is Innocent is because how the heck would they clean up all her blood and possible DNA! That would be **** near impossible if it was as bloody as Dassey claimed. Even if they did an amazing job cleaning up the blood...why go through all that trouble of hiding it to only leave the BONES outside your ******* house!!!!! Not only that, leave her car uncrushed! He does junk yard stuff for a living, if anything you think that would have been done! The blood in the car is weird. How could he have left no other DNA or finger prints, but BLOOD in the vehicle. I do have to say about the blood container ...they claim there was a needle hole in it. Well all blood containers do lol. Pretty sure regardless if its for evidence or done in the hospital, a device it used to transfer the blood into the container that leaves a hole. You don't take the top off. Although they could have stuck a needle through in the exact spot, the hole alone doesn't mean anything because regardless there would have to be one there. "In addition to that, Halbach had previously made several complaints to her employer about Avery, as she felt very uncomfortable around him due to several incidents. In one such incident he came to the door wearing nothing but a towel and made suggestive gestures to her. On the day in question she thought she was going to meet Avery's sister, not Avery, according to all indications. It was discovered on that same day Avery called her twice from his phone, but used *67 so she wouldn't know who was calling."^^^^^^ I have no doubt in my mind that Avery is a creep for sure!!!!! i would not go hangout with him on my days off and make him my best friend lol! I would not put it past him to do it, but maybe thats the reason he is in jail. No one would put it past him. Perhaps that's why is was so easy to frame him!!! Small town in WI where a lot of higher up people looked like incompetent jerks after putting him wrongfully in jail. Thats motive. Not only for the money, but their reputations and pride. Do I think one of the cops did it? Probably not. Cops, judges, etc. I'm sure someone had connections to someone. Would have not been impossible for someone they hired to set this up. Just a theory. Could have been looking for a window of opportunity. Had it planned out what needed to be done and just looked for the first girl that came along. A girl dead so someone needs to pay for sure BUT I don't think the system should be so quick to put someone in jail unless they are 100% sure. Peoples lives are not guessing games. 18 already for a crime he didn't commit. They should have been **** sure they didn't do the same thing again. Look here we are though......
The broken evidence tape and scotch tape over that was jaw-dropping. The needle hole, not so much.
They should have definitely continued to investigate and follow other leads. They didn't even interview several suspects, from what the documentary said.
I found it hard to watch because it was edited for dramatic effect. And what a good job they did, too. It was very entertaining. But, I would like to see some of the interviews from beginning to end, unedited.
To me, it was about like watching a barrel racing show when they won't show the whole run at once. For that reason, I hesitate to have an opinion on Dassey's innocence or guilt.
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