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| SKM - 2016-02-13 10:12 AM
Both. Sometimes people focus on the wrong thing and cause the problems. Most people would hate my daughters mare. She is a hot mess at the gate. It isn't because she's refusing. We have the opposite problem. She wants to go so bad that she doesn't want to wait. She'll only wait for so long then she just says "screw it" and goes. She's super sensitive. You just growl at her and she thinks you are killing her. We put up with her gate antics because she works every time, is rarely out of the 1D and is as honest as the day is long. Most people would have blown her sky high by picking on her and focusing on her hot issue.
Recently we acquired her half brother. He has won quite a bit when he was a juvie and at the start I his futurity year. He was with two of the top futurity trainers. This horse is a lot like Vegas. They picked on him a lot. He is wicked fast but he doesn't make the prettiest runs. The last trainer wanted that speed and expected him to be perfect so he tuned on him...a lot. This horse will walk flat footed through a gate. But on the pattern he starts to panic because he's afraid of being crucified. He's awesome about every other run. You just never know what he's going to do. He can get by ever barrel and still clock with the best.
So we have two almost identical horses that were trained by opposite theories. One was made to love the job because she's never had a bad experience. The other was rammed and jammed and forced to be perfect. He had enough and flipped them the bird. Sometimes with a sensitive, strong willed and hotter horse, you need to pick your battles and decide what is more important to you. These types are not for everyone. You will never beat these types of horses into submission. You won't ride them down with wet saddle blankets. They typically will hold a grudge. If your attitude is "they WILL do it MY way no matter what", then you have no business with this type of horse. Know your limitations and understand there is nothing wrong with not taking on this type of they don't suit you.
Yeah I see that in a lot of horses I have been around too. I am not that way I get along with a sensitive horse really well and I have no problem learning and trying different things to see what works for a horse. I always try to keep them loving their job and having fun and think about the long term. | |
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I think it is the same with our horses as it is with us... Genetics loads the gun and we pull the trigger.
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| SKM - 2016-02-13 12:12 PM
Both. Sometimes people focus on the wrong thing and cause the problems. Most people would hate my daughters mare. She is a hot mess at the gate. It isn't because she's refusing. We have the opposite problem. She wants to go so bad that she doesn't want to wait. She'll only wait for so long then she just says "screw it" and goes. She's super sensitive. You just growl at her and she thinks you are killing her. We put up with her gate antics because she works every time, is rarely out of the 1D and is as honest as the day is long. Most people would have blown her sky high by picking on her and focusing on her hot issue.
Recently we acquired her half brother. He has won quite a bit when he was a juvie and at the start I his futurity year. He was with two of the top futurity trainers. This horse is a lot like Vegas. They picked on him a lot. He is wicked fast but he doesn't make the prettiest runs. The last trainer wanted that speed and expected him to be perfect so he tuned on him...a lot. This horse will walk flat footed through a gate. But on the pattern he starts to panic because he's afraid of being crucified. He's awesome about every other run. You just never know what he's going to do. He can get by ever barrel and still clock with the best.
So we have two almost identical horses that were trained by opposite theories. One was made to love the job because she's never had a bad experience. The other was rammed and jammed and forced to be perfect. He had enough and flipped them the bird. Sometimes with a sensitive, strong willed and hotter horse, you need to pick your battles and decide what is more important to you. These types are not for everyone. You will never beat these types of horses into submission. You won't ride them down with wet saddle blankets. They typically will hold a grudge. If your attitude is "they WILL do it MY way no matter what", then you have no business with this type of horse. Know your limitations and understand there is nothing wrong with not taking on this type of they don't suit you.
I read this today before heading out to ride my gelding and the result was fantastic. You are right you cannot pick on some horses constantly. My horse also is extremely talented but is so scared of the barrel arena. He was trained by a man who is very successful with stallions but this gelding couldn't take the same treatment. I love this horse very much and know that he wants to please and today was great. Thank you for sharing this info. Not all horses can be trained the same way. I wish I knew how to hi light the text where you said " if your attitude is they WILL do it MY way no matter what", then you have no business with this type of horse. You saved a horse today from a lot of frustration and I fell in love with him all over again - he tried so hard  Thank you | |
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| Mrs J - 2016-02-14 10:38 PM
SKM - 2016-02-13 12:12 PM
Both. Sometimes people focus on the wrong thing and cause the problems. Most people would hate my daughters mare. She is a hot mess at the gate. It isn't because she's refusing. We have the opposite problem. She wants to go so bad that she doesn't want to wait. She'll only wait for so long then she just says "screw it" and goes. She's super sensitive. You just growl at her and she thinks you are killing her. We put up with her gate antics because she works every time, is rarely out of the 1D and is as honest as the day is long. Most people would have blown her sky high by picking on her and focusing on her hot issue.
Recently we acquired her half brother. He has won quite a bit when he was a juvie and at the start I his futurity year. He was with two of the top futurity trainers. This horse is a lot like Vegas. They picked on him a lot. He is wicked fast but he doesn't make the prettiest runs. The last trainer wanted that speed and expected him to be perfect so he tuned on him...a lot. This horse will walk flat footed through a gate. But on the pattern he starts to panic because he's afraid of being crucified. He's awesome about every other run. You just never know what he's going to do. He can get by ever barrel and still clock with the best.
So we have two almost identical horses that were trained by opposite theories. One was made to love the job because she's never had a bad experience. The other was rammed and jammed and forced to be perfect. He had enough and flipped them the bird. Sometimes with a sensitive, strong willed and hotter horse, you need to pick your battles and decide what is more important to you. These types are not for everyone. You will never beat these types of horses into submission. You won't ride them down with wet saddle blankets. They typically will hold a grudge. If your attitude is "they WILL do it MY way no matter what", then you have no business with this type of horse. Know your limitations and understand there is nothing wrong with not taking on this type of they don't suit you.
I read this today before heading out to ride my gelding and the result was fantastic. You are right you cannot pick on some horses constantly. My horse also is extremely talented but is so scared of the barrel arena. He was trained by a man who is very successful with stallions but this gelding couldn't take the same treatment. I love this horse very much and know that he wants to please and today was great. Thank you for sharing this info. Not all horses can be trained the same way. I wish I knew how to hi light the text where you said " if your attitude is they WILL do it MY way no matter what", then you have no business with this type of horse. You saved a horse today from a lot of frustration and I fell in love with him all over again - he tried so hard Thank you
I'm so happy to read this! I'm glad you got something out of it that helped your horse.
This gelding of ours knows the pattern. My daughter spends a lot of time pasture riding him. Out there is where she works on basic skills,flexing, etc. He does see the barrels almost daily. But it's only at the walk and just a few patterns. She is very consistent with her rate point and what she does. She sucks up to him with cookies. When we got him in October, he had zero personality. Now he's a character and loves his girl. He's just going to keep getting better and better as he starts to like his job again. | |
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| It's bred in them but an unskilled or nervous rider can create one too. I'm a very quiet rider and ride a lot of different horses. A couple on my trailer have to be "woke up" before they run. Another one is calm one minute and a psychotic mess the next minute. He has been recently vetted by 2 top vets. This horse is just a hot headed idiot that snaps for no reason. He happens to be close up Bugs Alive bred. Another BA75 mare I rode was also a nervous panic stricken mental mess. No more BA75 for me. People say you can't ride them papers. I say those papers can tell you a LOT and save a lot of grief. | |
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| I agree with most that training has a lot to do with it, but I would also like to mention that a big part of that is the feeding and riding program as well. You do not have to be a top notch trainer/rider necessarily, but putting in a lot of quiet time, will most generally result in a quiet horse. On the flip side, if you stall a horse 24-7, feed it too much HOT HOT grain, and ride it only a couple times a week or less, mostly only going fast or making runs, be it practice or competition, you are going to have a hot horse. | |
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