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  Bye-Bye Jiggle
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Location: Where ever there's sunshine! | What can I do for a horse with chronic laminitis. I know pretty much nothing about it. I pulled his shoes because he wasn't going to be ridden for a while. He was tender but I chalked it up to not being bare foot for so long. Now we're on the healing end but I want to know what all I can do to keep this from happening again. We're going to put him back in shoes. | |
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Location: NE Texas | I'd encourage you to check out the Cur-OST products. I haven't specifically dealt with laminitis, but it has helped tremendously with my horse's respiratory issues. I have spoken with others who have used it to manage their laminitis horses and have had great success. https://www.nouvelleresearch.com/index.php/articles/315-laminitis-in-the-horse | |
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| I would either email Dr. Schell or post on his forum, secondvet,com. He has done some research on laminitis and thinks outside the box, so to speak. | |
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 The Bling Princess
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Location: North Dakota | I would be interested in what this horse's diet is like? Google Equine Medical & Surgical Associates; there is excellent information on their website regarding laminitis, what can cause it and how to manage it. Dr. Reilly and his product Heiro have been a god send to my horse. | |
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| I would xray to see if the coffin bone has rotated.
If the coffin bone has rotated, then there is more care needed. I have a chronic founder I have been dealing with for 2 years now.
If you want you can message me.
The horse doesn't necessarily need shoes, most do better without as if the coffin bone has rotated most need more frequent of trims then every 6-8 weeks. Long toes can even cause laminitis. Mine gets trimmed every 4 weeks.
Abscesses can become an issue, this is my issue, and shoes don't protect against abscesses, hoof boots, soft rides will become your saviour.
Diet, any change in hind gut ph can cause a laminitic episode, so what ever you do keep everything the same, try and give minimal high sugars, give lots of fat.
Green grass especially in the spring or after a rainfall can cause laminitic episodes | |
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| Dr. Schell helped with mine, Chronic Laminitis. No shoes, make sure you keep their feet balanced(every 4wks), no cereal grains, no green grass(spring & fall mainly), support a healthy gut.
I would suggest x-rays, to see how much separation and how far up it is, that way in 6 months or so you can get more to compare. Give bute for flare ups to help with the inflammation. Flare ups are usually caused by something they've eaten. My experience is that its highly related to their gut.
I feed alfalfa, rice bran, flax seed, and free choice grass hay. | |
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Location: North Dakota | cheryl makofka - 2016-02-16 11:26 AM I would xray to see if the coffin bone has rotated. If the coffin bone has rotated, then there is more care needed. I have a chronic founder I have been dealing with for 2 years now. If you want you can message me. The horse doesn't necessarily need shoes, most do better without as if the coffin bone has rotated most need more frequent of trims then every 6-8 weeks. Long toes can even cause laminitis. Mine gets trimmed every 4 weeks. Abscesses can become an issue, this is my issue, and shoes don't protect against abscesses, hoof boots, soft rides will become your saviour. Diet, any change in hind gut ph can cause a laminitic episode, so what ever you do keep everything the same, try and give minimal high sugars, give lots of fat. Green grass especially in the spring or after a rainfall can cause laminitic episodes
I agree with everything Cheryl has said, however I will respectfully disagree with the feeding of fat. If your horse is insulin resistant (can cause chronic laminitis) then you DO NOT want to feed fat. You want low carb, low fat, and high protein diet. | |
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Location: Where ever there's sunshine! | WYOTurn-n-Burn - 2016-02-16 11:20 AM
I would be interested in what this horse's diet is like? Google Equine Medical & Surgical Associates; there is excellent information on their website regarding laminitis, what can cause it and how to manage it. Dr. Reilly and his product Heiro have been a god send to my horse.
He is currently on Seminole Wellness DynoSport. The hay and pasture are nothing special | |
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Bye-Bye Jiggle
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Location: Where ever there's sunshine! | WYOTurn-n-Burn - 2016-02-16 11:56 AM
cheryl makofka - 2016-02-16 11:26 AM I would xray to see if the coffin bone has rotated. If the coffin bone has rotated, then there is more care needed. I have a chronic founder I have been dealing with for 2 years now. If you want you can message me. The horse doesn't necessarily need shoes, most do better without as if the coffin bone has rotated most need more frequent of trims then every 6-8 weeks. Long toes can even cause laminitis. Mine gets trimmed every 4 weeks. Abscesses can become an issue, this is my issue, and shoes don't protect against abscesses, hoof boots, soft rides will become your saviour. Diet, any change in hind gut ph can cause a laminitic episode, so what ever you do keep everything the same, try and give minimal high sugars, give lots of fat. Green grass especially in the spring or after a rainfall can cause laminitic episodes
I agree with everything Cheryl has said, however I will respectfully disagree with the feeding of fat. If your horse is insulin resistant (can cause chronic laminitis) then you DO NOT want to feed fat. You want low carb, low fat, and high protein diet.
He was tested for, not remembering the specific name, but I had his blood checked for cushings?? i wanted him checked as if he were obese even though he isn't. he's tall and skinny. He had X-rays over 6 months ago and the rotation was minimal. Vet said once we got the inflammation down the rotation may correct itself. we put him in soft rides and so far no more accesses and he's running around the pasture sound. I worry its going to flare back ups before his hooves are ready for shoes (he's tender footed). I just started him with a new farrier to correct his long toes and lack of heel. | |
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Location: Where ever there's sunshine! | FlyingJT - 2016-02-16 11:52 AM
Dr. Schell helped with mine, Chronic Laminitis. No shoes, make sure you keep their feet balanced(every 4wks), no cereal grains, no green grass(spring & fall mainly), support a healthy gut.
I would suggest x-rays, to see how much separation and how far up it is, that way in 6 months or so you can get more to compare. Give bute for flare ups to help with the inflammation. Flare ups are usually caused by something they've eaten. My experience is that its highly related to their gut.
I feed alfalfa, rice bran, flax seed, and free choice grass hay.
I tried this feeding plan with another horse and it went terribly, but i prefer this over bagged feed. What amounts do you feed? Do you just keep your horse up or dry lotted during spring and fall? | |
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Location: North Dakota | BleuIdGrl - 2016-02-16 1:36 PM WYOTurn-n-Burn - 2016-02-16 11:20 AM I would be interested in what this horse's diet is like? Google Equine Medical & Surgical Associates; there is excellent information on their website regarding laminitis, what can cause it and how to manage it. Dr. Reilly and his product Heiro have been a god send to my horse. He is currently on Seminole Wellness DynoSport. The hay and pasture are nothing special
If you have a horse with insulin resistance that feed would contain WAY too much fat at 14%. I feed a ration balancer to my IR horse and its only 5% fat and that is fed on top of molasses free beet pulp that is soaked, drained, and rinsed to remove as much sugar as possible. I don't even feed him treats that are high fat and high in NSC.
I would honestly call or email Dr. Reilly, tell him whats going on, and he'll help you with what you should be feeding. There are suggestions on his website as well.
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| BleuIdGrl - 2016-02-16 1:46 PM
WYOTurn-n-Burn - 2016-02-16 11:56 AM
cheryl makofka - 2016-02-16 11:26 AM I would xray to see if the coffin bone has rotated. If the coffin bone has rotated, then there is more care needed. I have a chronic founder I have been dealing with for 2 years now. If you want you can message me. The horse doesn't necessarily need shoes, most do better without as if the coffin bone has rotated most need more frequent of trims then every 6-8 weeks. Long toes can even cause laminitis. Mine gets trimmed every 4 weeks. Abscesses can become an issue, this is my issue, and shoes don't protect against abscesses, hoof boots, soft rides will become your saviour. Diet, any change in hind gut ph can cause a laminitic episode, so what ever you do keep everything the same, try and give minimal high sugars, give lots of fat. Green grass especially in the spring or after a rainfall can cause laminitic episodes
I agree with everything Cheryl has said, however I will respectfully disagree with the feeding of fat. If your horse is insulin resistant (can cause chronic laminitis) then you DO NOT want to feed fat. You want low carb, low fat, and high protein diet.
He was tested for, not remembering the specific name, but I had his blood checked for cushings?? i wanted him checked as if he were obese even though he isn't. he's tall and skinny. He had X-rays over 6 months ago and the rotation was minimal. Vet said once we got the inflammation down the rotation may correct itself. we put him in soft rides and so far no more accesses and he's running around the pasture sound. I worry its going to flare back ups before his hooves are ready for shoes (he's tender footed ). I just started him with a new farrier to correct his long toes and lack of heel.
All horses are tender footed when you pull shoes, my it does take time to correct, but is easy to do.
Apply iodine to the soles twice a day, as this will harden the, up.
If there was any rotation, it is classified as founder, which means it is more likely to occur again, and you need to figure out what the triggers are.
Learn how to do pedal pulses, check temp of the feet, get a basis of what his normal is.
Have the new farrier knock as much toe off as possible, and pull back the heels as much as possible. The faster you get this done, the less stress on the lamania. Also not a bad idea to bute the day of and day after trims. Don't go more then 4 weeks between trims | |
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| BleuIdGrl - 2016-02-16 1:50 PM
FlyingJT - 2016-02-16 11:52 AM
Dr. Schell helped with mine, Chronic Laminitis. No shoes, make sure you keep their feet balanced(every 4wks), no cereal grains, no green grass(spring & fall mainly), support a healthy gut.
I would suggest x-rays, to see how much separation and how far up it is, that way in 6 months or so you can get more to compare. Give bute for flare ups to help with the inflammation. Flare ups are usually caused by something they've eaten. My experience is that its highly related to their gut.
I feed alfalfa, rice bran, flax seed, and free choice grass hay.
I tried this feeding plan with another horse and it went terribly, but i prefer this over bagged feed. What amounts do you feed? Do you just keep your horse up or dry lotted during spring and fall?
Yes, I dry lot him in spring and fall. Let him out for a couple hours to graze and that's it. I feed 1lb rice bran, 2cups(about 1/2lb) flax seed and adjust the alfalfa as needed. Currently getting about 15lbs alfalfa a day. I keep him on a pre & probiotic.
Keeping their toes short and where they need to be is a major key in keeping mine from getting sore. If I let them get too long he'll start showing soreness. Come summer time I'm sure i'll put shoes back on because rodeo's don't always have the best warm up areas but as soon as everything slows down he'll be back barefoot again, it has seemed to help the most. | |
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| My horse has bad feet. I put her on Intensive hoof,TNP and Oxysox. It works. I would also get him on a natural diet. Renew Gold would be a great feed. Jen Berry is a oxygen rep on here. She can answer any questions
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