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Location: Not Where I Want to Be | FlyingJT - 2016-03-10 11:27 AM FLITASTIC - 2016-03-10 10:22 AM 1DSoon - 2016-03-09 7:56 AM FlyingJT - 2016-03-09 10:52 AM I price my horses fair, so I don't budge on price and I don't waste my time with someone that wants to haggle. If you like the horse and it fits you, you'll pay the asking price. If you don't want to pay the price then maybe the horse isn't for you! With that said, when I buy, i'll shoot out a price that's significantly lower and see if they are going to budge or not, if not than I determine if I really want the horse at that price, if they do then that's great! This confuses me
you don't like folks to haggle with you, but you will haggle with them?
Agree, it usually means that someone thinks their horses are on cloud 9 but everyone else's is junk.. You two need to look up the definition of HAGGLE.......
That could be,,,,,,,or maybe you need to learn to use your words better.
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| 1DSoon - 2016-03-10 10:33 AM
FlyingJT - 2016-03-10 11:27 AM FLITASTIC - 2016-03-10 10:22 AM 1DSoon - 2016-03-09 7:56 AM FlyingJT - 2016-03-09 10:52 AM I price my horses fair, so I don't budge on price and I don't waste my time with someone that wants to haggle. If you like the horse and it fits you, you'll pay the asking price. If you don't want to pay the price then maybe the horse isn't for you! With that said, when I buy, i'll shoot out a price that's significantly lower and see if they are going to budge or not, if not than I determine if I really want the horse at that price, if they do then that's great! This confuses me
you don't like folks to haggle with you, but you will haggle with them?
Agree, it usually means that someone thinks their horses are on cloud 9 but everyone else's is junk.. You two need to look up the definition of HAGGLE.......
what? you mean, use a word that you know the definition to? How about dicker or quibble, or do I need to define those too? | |
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| FlyingJT - 2016-03-10 11:03 AM
1DSoon - 2016-03-10 10:33 AM
FlyingJT - 2016-03-10 11:27 AM FLITASTIC - 2016-03-10 10:22 AM 1DSoon - 2016-03-09 7:56 AM FlyingJT - 2016-03-09 10:52 AM I price my horses fair, so I don't budge on price and I don't waste my time with someone that wants to haggle. If you like the horse and it fits you, you'll pay the asking price. If you don't want to pay the price then maybe the horse isn't for you! With that said, when I buy, i'll shoot out a price that's significantly lower and see if they are going to budge or not, if not than I determine if I really want the horse at that price, if they do then that's great! This confuses me
you don't like folks to haggle with you, but you will haggle with them?
Agree, it usually means that someone thinks their horses are on cloud 9 but everyone else's is junk.. You two need to look up the definition of HAGGLE.......
what? you mean, use a word that you know the definition to? How about dicker or quibble, or do I need to define those too?
Can I google dicker at work?  | |
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| stayceem - 2016-03-10 11:51 AM
FlyingJT - 2016-03-10 11:03 AM
1DSoon - 2016-03-10 10:33 AM
FlyingJT - 2016-03-10 11:27 AM FLITASTIC - 2016-03-10 10:22 AM 1DSoon - 2016-03-09 7:56 AM FlyingJT - 2016-03-09 10:52 AM I price my horses fair, so I don't budge on price and I don't waste my time with someone that wants to haggle. If you like the horse and it fits you, you'll pay the asking price. If you don't want to pay the price then maybe the horse isn't for you! With that said, when I buy, i'll shoot out a price that's significantly lower and see if they are going to budge or not, if not than I determine if I really want the horse at that price, if they do then that's great! This confuses me
you don't like folks to haggle with you, but you will haggle with them?
Agree, it usually means that someone thinks their horses are on cloud 9 but everyone else's is junk.. You two need to look up the definition of HAGGLE.......
what? you mean, use a word that you know the definition to? How about dicker or quibble, or do I need to define those too?
Can I google dicker at work?
Just don't search google images!  | |
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| ccarpe18 - 2016-03-09 10:43 AM
rodeomom3 - 2016-03-09 4:27 AM I had the opposite happen to me. I was trying a few horses at a brokers place, was not going to try one because of his history, ended up trying him anyway and loved him. I asked several questions the next day and the broker went up on the price a few thousand when I showed interest in him. 
I tried a 4d horse out once, that I saw a ton of potential in.... a pro-girl was selling him because "he was slow for the level she was competing at". I tried him out at the race and ran 2nd in the 1d (outran her good horse)....and she decided he wasn't for sale anymore when I went to hand her the cash. Now, instead, I get on a horse if they are already trained on the barrels and trot or slow lope through and exhibition...never make a run...and make my decision after that. Learned my lesson really quick...sometimes good timing can make a horse look like he is worth a whole lot more than they thought they were...
the pro-girl...never got out of the 3-d or 4-d with him after she turned down my money, which she priced him at (and I did not haggle)....but I learned my lesson. I had a chance to buy that horse about a year later from her.......and I didnt, because I had a bad taste in my mouth after that. | |
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Location: That part of Texas | Whoop Z Day Z - 2016-03-08 6:39 PM Since when does $2500FIRM mean HEY LETS NEGOTIATE!!??? Since when is it the sellers responsibility to come off the price so the buyer can afford fuel to get it? Why does no one read the ads? Was anyone else raised when you make a cash offer you are ready to hand over cash once offer is accepted not 2 weeks later... Sorry had to vent, very frustrated You're dealing with the general public. Remember that on a good day, most people will be fairly easy to deal with and will be decent buyers. Good days are few and far in between though.
By having x,y & z in your ad (Firm, Cash, Info) you're only setting yourself up for failure and frustration because most people are going to decline to abide by those unwritten rules you've listed. They are going to ask questions that are answered in the ad. They will ask you to come off the price. They are probably not going to deal in cash. These are things that they are going to do regardless of what's listed. By listing these things and having the expectation that they will be followed, you are the only one getting frustrated by the process in that regard. Once you accept that the majority of people won't abide by what you hope they will, you can change your expectations.
Expect them to do the things that drive you crazy instead of dreading that it's going to happen and then dealing with those feelings when it does. It's going to happen. What can you do about it? Figure out what will maybe minimize your frustrations. Instead of expecting them to honor the firm price, build in some wiggle room in the one you post because you know people are going to ask if you are willing to come down a little. If people keep asking the same questions over and over about the horse that's in the ad, already have a pre-saved text with that information in it so you can send and not spend time re-sending that same info to various people. It's going to happen. Same with asking for cash -- already have a plan on alternatives if you are willing to go that route.
Yes, the world would be a much better place if people would/could follow directions, respect boundaries that others have already laid out and to deal with integrity but that's not this world. Stop expecting it to go that way and focus energy on dealing with them not doing it how you would if you were raised right. Stop setting yourself up for failure in a world that's full of it.
ETA: I have this quote framed in my office next to my desk because I too get frustrated with people not following basic life stuff, especially those who call 2-3x at odd hours like 8:00 p.m. or even 2:00 a.m. expecting someone to answer the law office phone or my favorite = on the weekends. When I'd see the calls I used to get pretty miffed and think "Really? REAAAAALLLLLYYY?!@#$@!@ Did you really think I was going to be in at that time to take a call?" I had to change because I knew that they wouldn't (and haven't for the record). I now just smile, shake my head and come to expect the phone calls after hours, on the weekends, on Christmas and any other Holiday or day you'd really expect me to be out of the office. Some people just don't think and if you deal with the public, it's an unfortunate new norm of conduct.
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| I completely understand the frustration of buying horses, but I also will say that if I really want a horse out of my budget, no matter what the ad says, I might call up the owner and say, hey, I know you are asking X amount, but if you would ever entertain X amount, please call me. I will not make excuses of why I can't pay a certain amount, or why I think their horse is worth less, no BSing... just lay it out there. It's not mean to offend anyone, I've just seen a lot of instances where horses are priced FIRM at one time, but then a month, three months, six months, to a year later, then are sold for A LOT less to the person that was in the right place at the right time. | |
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Location: Iowa | why do "some people" think you need to come down so they have gas money to come pick up the horse. That's when I say " you should have thought about that ahead of time" | |
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| SpaceCowboy - 2016-03-10 3:30 PM
I completely understand the frustration of buying horses, but I also will say that if I really want a horse out of my budget, no matter what the ad says, I might call up the owner and say, hey, I know you are asking X amount, but if you would ever entertain X amount, please call me. I will not make excuses of why I can't pay a certain amount, or why I think their horse is worth less, no BSing... just lay it out there. It's not mean to offend anyone, I've just seen a lot of instances where horses are priced FIRM at one time, but then a month, three months, six months, to a year later, then are sold for A LOT less to the person that was in the right place at the right time.
I have done this on 1 or 2 occasions. Not often but have sent an email saying. I know you are asking x amount, I understand you may get that but if you decide to start entertaining offers my budget is x. I keep it brief and to the point and if they have a hard time selling, I hope to hear from them. but i dont ask questions at that point, request photos or more info, etc. I dont want to waste their time because usually i only send that email if I am regrefully unable to pay for the horse and everything in the ad is spot on what im looking for. | |
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| When I'm looking to buy something, anything doesn't matter what it is I have done a TON of homework and I know what it's worth. if I want it and it's priced where I can afford it and it's a good "deal" I.e. Worth what I'm paying but I'm not giving a premium, I buy it.
However, I am a negotiator and am not scared to make an offer on something. If someone takes it, great! If not that's fine too I won't ask again. I'm also patient. If I make an offer on something priced "firm" it's because it's been on the market for awhile which is Proof it's priced to high or there's no market demand for that product. Rarely after making an offer on a "firm" price has that person not called me back a few days later and said "okay I'll do it".
Bottom line someone said in another post people take negotiating personally and it's true. If I make an offer below your asking regardless how much lower it is, you can think I'm a jerk but I didn't call you a bad person, I just disagreed with you on the value of your product. | |
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Location: Slipping down the slope of old age. Boo hoo. | Three 4 Luck - 2016-03-09 9:47 AM
rodeomom3 - 2016-03-09 6:27 AM I had the opposite happen to me. I was trying a few horses at a brokers place, was not going to try one because of his history, ended up trying him anyway and loved him. I asked several questions the next day and the broker went up on the price a few thousand when I showed interest in him.
I showed up at a barn to try a gelding one time and the other folks in the barn began pushing horses at me! The gelding I went to see did not work for me, but while I was trying to pull off my boots horses started coming out of the woodwork. It was crazy - and I thought some of the folks were going to get into a fight about showing me their horse versus the horse I originally came to look out. Got my boots off, my shoes on, ran to rental car and got the heck outta there. Wild! | |
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Location: Florida.. | It doesnt bother me...its horse dealings.. there s a saying all they can say is no.. so just say no and next.. shouldnt get upset about it.. not worth it.lol.. | |
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Location: Northwest Florida | MOTIVATED - 2016-03-10 12:23 PM
ccarpe18 - 2016-03-09 10:43 AM
rodeomom3 - 2016-03-09 4:27 AM I had the opposite happen to me. I was trying a few horses at a brokers place, was not going to try one because of his history, ended up trying him anyway and loved him. I asked several questions the next day and the broker went up on the price a few thousand when I showed interest in him.
I tried a 4d horse out once, that I saw a ton of potential in.... a pro-girl was selling him because "he was slow for the level she was competing at". I tried him out at the race and ran 2nd in the 1d (outran her good horse )....and she decided he wasn't for sale anymore when I went to hand her the cash. Now, instead, I get on a horse if they are already trained on the barrels and trot or slow lope through and exhibition...never make a run...and make my decision after that. Learned my lesson really quick...sometimes good timing can make a horse look like he is worth a whole lot more than they thought they were...
the pro-girl...never got out of the 3-d or 4-d with him after she turned down my money, which she priced him at (and I did not haggle )....but I learned my lesson. I had a chance to buy that horse about a year later from her.......and I didnt, because I had a bad taste in my mouth after that.
Motivated- I loved this story! I had a similar experience, except mine took place in an auction barn. After browsing the horses and learning the one I was after had sold prior to the auction, I was just sitting and watching, didn't even have my number on me. Then I see the mare I was after get run through! Someone had bought her and ran her through themselves. I watched who won her and went straight to that person offering to buy her. I got to test ride her, loved her handle, came back to him and asked for a price. He said, well after watching you ride her.. her price just doubled!  But I paid it anyway, and it turned out to be money well spent! He was excited to have made a profit so quickly... but if he had tripled her price I still would've bought her lol. I ended up making a pretty penny off of that mare.
As for the OP - I always price my horses with room to come down, because I know people want to feel like they can get a deal. I also always put obo/negotiable. When I'm shopping, I will always offer less unless the ad states firm. Then I am interested based on whether or not I think the horse is worth what they are asking and within my budget. I wouldn't offer less on a horse that says firm. The most I may do is message them, asking them to contact me if they decide to negotiate on the price. (Funny, a lot of them actually will).
Edited by BigStarBound 2016-03-11 9:01 AM
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| its really very simple.... horses are plentiful!!! horses everywhere. frustrating to sell sometimes... frustrating to buy. if you are getting interest in your horse be happy. this may sound harsh but is not intended too... change your attitude and you might see different results.. that person that checks to see if you would budge on the price just might be very well the one who is going to pay full price and you may loose the sale by the "tone" of declining the offer. i hope that this is received as suggestions on your sale and not snotty. | |
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