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Location: MD | turnedout - 2016-04-05 9:07 AM I know this is from a few months ago about I had a question in regards to Quest. There is too much knowledge here to pass up. :) Horse came off pasture with unknown worming history. Currently hitting with power pac now, would also like to use Quest after. How long after pac do you wait to use Quest?
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Location: 31 lengths farms | Vet had me use Quest Plus after a power pak too. My mare had a HUGE blood worm issue that had previously been mis-diagnosed as stifle and then SI issues. Turned out her worm load was making her weak in her rearend. She had been on a rotational deworming program and I had owned her since she was a yearling, just a horse that needed more of everything.
Having said that however even now I do a Safeguard wormer, wait a week and then run Quest Plus thru mine when I use it, try to lessen the worm load they might have. The only issue I've ever had with Quest was when my young mare flipped her head and threw a glop of it out, the old JRT licked some up and 45 minutes later she started having seizures before becoming completely paralyzed in about 2 hours. No one at the time knew what to do, poison hotline said call the vet, vet said call poison hotline, manufacturer said call poison hotline. We ended up treating with Amino Acids and activated charcoal, syringed it to her every 30 minutes, by 10 that night she as able to walk with some balance issues and the next day you wouldn't have known anything ever happened so make darn sure you keep the dogs out of it. |
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | turnedout - 2016-04-05 7:07 AM
I know this is from a few months ago about I had a question in regards to Quest. There is too much knowledge here to pass up. :)
Horse came off pasture with unknown worming history. Currently hitting with power pac now, would also like to use Quest after. How long after pac do you wait to use Quest?
When you give Quest Plus some of the active ingredient is absorbed into the body fat of the animal. It continues to work for up to 84 days after de-worming. This is why you shouldn't use it on a small or young animal. You also shouldn't deworm more than every 90 days with it. The reason for not using it on a young animal is a animal doesn't have the worm load because they are very young and haven't had time and exposure to the types of worms that quest plus is meant to target. Using Q+ on an animal that is thin, sick or has a large worm load it is more dangerous as well. It's also important to accurately determine the correct dosage. Giving too little isn't effective and some of the heartier parasites will survive, leading to resistant parasites. Giving too much is dangerous. There is a smaller safety margin in quest plus than most other wormers.
The reason to power pack a horse is to get encysted strongyles from the intestinal lining. You can accomplish the same thing with Quest Plus and do it better because Quest Plus will continue to kill any new strongyle eggs that are being released. I've never power packed one of my horses. I don't mind if others want to, but it seems like a lot of work, costs the same or more and isn't any more effective than using either quest plus or one of the ivermectin combos. |
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| What type of power pac did you use to get rid of the blood worms? |
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Location: 31 lengths farms | The vet had me use a Panacur Power pak to hit the ones that were not encrusted and try to clean her up that way first, then follow with the Quest Plus to hit the encrusted ones. I was warned that it could be relatively dangerous and at the first sign of trouble to get her in ASAP. Thankfully she never had any trouble and about 2 weeks after the Quest Plus she absolutely bloomed. |
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Location: 31 lengths farms | Hope it helps.
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Location: Somewhere around here | Griz - 2015-11-04 10:06 AM
YEARS ago people had problems with it (and I don't have any idea if it was from not using it correctly, I just remember all the bad PR). I have never used it and don't plan to - why, when there are SO many others to pick from?
That's what I remember. I was thinking "wasn't this a topic 10 years ago?"
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| streakysox - 2015-11-07 11:43 PM
Ivermectin and moxidectin do not cause worms to build up resistance. This comes from my friend who o has her masters in EQUINE PARASITOLOGY.
Really? Years ago I met a vet at a racetrack to get my horses treated for something else. A man had just jogged his trotter and came in off the track with the mare pooping nothing but worms. They had an entire wheel barrow filled with nothing but worms. The man told the vet he had wormed this filly for several years, faithfully, with Ivermectin every 2 or 3 months. The vet had wormed with something else that produced these results. He told me that it was not the first case he had seen and reported and he had gotten death threats if he did not cease and desist the reporting. Not sure what has happened since in regards to this, will have to ask him.
So I rotate, pick bot fly eggs off whenever I see them and hope for the best. |
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| The Power Pack recommendations I have found say to double dose the fenbendazole for 5 days and then 2 weeks later use, the Quest. So I took it to be PART of the Power Pack protocol. |
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| I rotate wormers, but I have used quest in my rotation for years with no issues. |
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Location: Midwest | I've used it with no issues. Dose accurately and don't give to the young, small, or skinny. |
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