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  Snake Charmer
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Location: Texas | I have a 12 yr old mare that my grand daughter rides. This mare is a great horse except for one thing. She occationally decides she's not going to cooperate with your wishes, and she's outta there. This only happens on the ground. She is really good at putting her head down, turning straight away from you so you have no leverage on her, and runs off. There's no stopping her, she'll drag you with her if you try to hang on to her. She'll do it with a stud chain just as quick as not. I've done everything I know to try to get her to stop, but I've never had one pull this trick in 30 yrs of training horses. She pulled it the first time when I went to load her in the trailer. She loads fine, no trailer issues at all, and most recently she pulled it going to the round pen. any ideas what will make her stop? She will be just perfect for weeks, and the second you let your guard down she's at it again. Any help is appreciated.
I might add, she does not have bad ground manners, other than this. |
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 Neat Freak
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | acheela - 2016-04-09 7:43 PM I have a 12 yr old mare that my grand daughter rides. This mare is a great horse except for one thing. She occationally decides she's not going to cooperate with your wishes, and she's outta there. This only happens on the ground. She is really good at putting her head down, turning straight away from you so you have no leverage on her, and runs off. There's no stopping her, she'll drag you with her if you try to hang on to her. She'll do it with a stud chain just as quick as not. I've done everything I know to try to get her to stop, but I've never had one pull this trick in 30 yrs of training horses. She pulled it the first time when I went to load her in the trailer. She loads fine, no trailer issues at all, and most recently she pulled it going to the round pen. any ideas what will make her stop? She will be just perfect for weeks, and the second you let your guard down she's at it again. Any help is appreciated. I might add, she does not have bad ground manners, other than this.
ooh dang that would miff me off. I can't think of anything in a gentle way to fix that.  |
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Snake Charmer
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Location: Texas | I'm not concerned with gentle at this point. |
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Neat Freak
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | acheela - 2016-04-10 6:52 AM I'm not concerned with gentle at this point.
The hard thing would be to be prepared for when she does it as it doesn't sound like she does it all the time. I would love to do some kind of hobble on her since the stud chain isn't working for you. But you would want something that isn't in her way when she is good, but is there when she does it. I just can't think of what. |
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I just read the headlines
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| I had a colt that did this. I worked him in the round pen, working on him "hooking on" to me and sacking out. He never did it again. This colt was so bad when he did it that he ran off and onto a busy county road. There was no way, even when I was ready for it, that I could have stopped him. |
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Hungarian Midget Woman
Location: Midwest | Have you tried a chain on the lip?
ive also seen various "be nice halters" that might work
as a last resort, maybe shock collar? That might create other issues, so like I said,,,, last resort |
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Location: East Tennessee but who knows?! | Does she do it in a bridle?
I've worked with a few like this and it took a LOT of ground work, and working on getting them to bring the head around by putting pressure at the hip. Being able to control each foot by just your body position goes a long long ways. |
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Location: Where the pavement ends and the West begins Utah | I would keep her in a stall and work on those ground manners with a stud chain over the nose. Throw the lead on opposite behind the butt and make her turn away from and back to facing you. Disengage her hips away from you so she is always facing you. Do it a stall so she never gets away from you for any distance every day and gradually add more space like a round pen. |
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Snake Charmer
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Location: Texas | Yes, this is the kicker, being prepared for it to happen. She will work in the round pen like a champ, has very good ground manners otherwise. It's like she just looses her mind. I've stopped her from doing it at the trailer by tying a longe line to the trailer and then putting a stud chain on her. She hit the end of that line 5-6 times, threw herself on the ground several times, and got into a pulling contest with the trailer before she decided to quit. No possible way for a human to have kept hold of her with what she was pulling. There's just no way to hold her when she goes, and she's so dishonest about it. Every time she gets away she's reinforcing in her mind that she can. I wish there was some way to have some kind of contraption that would spin her around and throw her on the ground (like at the trailer) every time she does it. That seems to be the only thing that has made an impression on her. |
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Snake Charmer
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Location: Texas | Fairweather - 2016-04-10 9:44 AM
Does she do it in a bridle?
I've worked with a few like this and it took a LOT of ground work, and working on getting them to bring the head around by putting pressure at the hip. Being able to control each foot by just your body position goes a long long ways.
She has never done it in a bridle. |
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 Hog Tie My Mojo
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Location: Opelousas, LA | acheela - 2016-04-11 8:20 AM Fairweather - 2016-04-10 9:44 AM Does she do it in a bridle?
I've worked with a few like this and it took a LOT of ground work, and working on getting them to bring the head around by putting pressure at the hip. Being able to control each foot by just your body position goes a long long ways. She has never done it in a bridle.
Maybe lead her in a Chiffney bit attached to her halter? That would be a PITA but who knows, it may work. How frustrating!
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 It's not my fault I'm perfect
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Location: Where the long tails flow, ND | Is there something wrong with her by chance?? |
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Location: SW North Dakota | How about a running W? |
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Location: Kansas | Hobble her |
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Hungarian Midget Woman
Location: Midwest | There is a device that will throw her down on the ground, but it has the potential to be dangerous.
Have you ruled out physical issues with a vet? |
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Location: Sunny So Cal | My gelding likes to do that and it drives me nuts! I think I have the same version of your horse just in gelding form. He broke 2 fingers on my right hand trying to keep him from getting away and he had a chain on. He acts out when he has too much energy/ I think when he is bored. When he has any extra energy he gets mischevious and naughty. I switched all his food to Timothy (he was on alfalfa) and took away any grain with sugar in it. I also worked his butt everyday until he was exhausted. I never give him any slack with no days off.
If you are already doing this of some sort, then I would hobble her. |
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| MikMar Metal Halter band. Very severer when your horse decides to misbehave...doesn't do a thing when she does what you ask. I love this thing. My mom's rope horse liked to do this on the longe line occasionally. They know when it's on and unlike a stud chain it won't "catch." The noseband lets go once the horse does. |
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