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okhorselover
Reg. Feb 2016
Posted 2016-06-12 8:38 PM
Subject: RE: ACE......



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okhorselover - 2016-06-10 3:57 PM

My shoer made a great comment about aceing horse's that are hard to shoe. What he doesn't like is the horse being under the influence doesn't learn. They are drugged. The best thing is to TEACH your horse to be good for the shoer. I feel the same goes for training. I want my horse's to LEARN, not be drugged to learn. They can't retain training if under the influence. Just a thought for you. Personally I would never ace my horse to train them. If I can't ride them un drugged, I better get my act together or find a better trainer to start them.

I respectfully disagree and so does my performance horse vet. She used to work for s very prominent Thorobred race horse farm and they used small doses of ace to train colts in the starting gate. It gives them an absolute " positive " experience. Once they learned it was a positive place they no longer had to use it. I have talked to a lot of people that use it and when used correctly in small doses it certainly ALLOWS them to think and learn. It's the same concept for kids with ADHD. If they are unable to control themselves in school they are not learning. Once they get dosage correct the child is able to manage impulses, sit quietly, and pay attention to the lessons in school.

That is ok, to each their own. I have used ace on a weanling we had because we needed to freeze brand her & she wasn't going to have anything to do with it & we didn't want her to hurt herself in the stocks. I'm not against using it as there are times one may need to , to protect the horse, but as far as training one goes, I have never had or needed to use it. Best to you & your horse.
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cheryl makofka
Reg. Jan 2011
Posted 2016-06-12 10:24 PM
Subject: RE: ACE......


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FLITASTIC - 2016-06-10 11:58 PM

okhorselover - 2016-06-10 3:57 PM

My shoer made a great comment about aceing horse's that are hard to shoe. What he doesn't like is the horse being under the influence doesn't learn. They are drugged. The best thing is to TEACH your horse to be good for the shoer. I feel the same goes for training. I want my horse's to LEARN, not be drugged to learn. They can't retain training if under the influence. Just a thought for you. Personally I would never ace my horse to train them. If I can't ride them un drugged, I better get my act together or find a better trainer to start them.

I respectfully disagree and so does my performance horse vet. She used to work for s very prominent Thorobred race horse farm and they used small doses of ace to train colts in the starting gate. It gives them an absolute " positive " experience. Once they learned it was a positive place they no longer had to use it. I have talked to a lot of people that use it and when used correctly in small doses it certainly ALLOWS them to think and learn. It's the same concept for kids with ADHD. If they are unable to control themselves in school they are not learning. Once they get dosage correct the child is able to manage impulses, sit quietly, and pay attention to the lessons in school.

Each person to their own, but I am not sure your performance vet would endorse using ace on a regular basis as a training aid.

I do find that vets are stuck in between a rock and a hard place as they are trying to do the best they can for the horse, but their hands are tied (or they feel this way) as the owner/trainer are wanting a quick fix, the miracle drug, or have too high of expectations for the animal they have.

Everything is controlled by the dollar, and vets are very conscious about this, they are trying to give their client the cheapest fix possible that way they do not loose the business of said client.

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FLITASTIC
Reg. Jun 2012
Posted 2016-06-12 10:59 PM
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cheryl makofka - 2016-06-12 8:24 PM

FLITASTIC - 2016-06-10 11:58 PM

okhorselover - 2016-06-10 3:57 PM

My shoer made a great comment about aceing horse's that are hard to shoe. What he doesn't like is the horse being under the influence doesn't learn. They are drugged. The best thing is to TEACH your horse to be good for the shoer. I feel the same goes for training. I want my horse's to LEARN, not be drugged to learn. They can't retain training if under the influence. Just a thought for you. Personally I would never ace my horse to train them. If I can't ride them un drugged, I better get my act together or find a better trainer to start them.

I respectfully disagree and so does my performance horse vet. She used to work for s very prominent Thorobred race horse farm and they used small doses of ace to train colts in the starting gate. It gives them an absolute " positive " experience. Once they learned it was a positive place they no longer had to use it. I have talked to a lot of people that use it and when used correctly in small doses it certainly ALLOWS them to think and learn. It's the same concept for kids with ADHD. If they are unable to control themselves in school they are not learning. Once they get dosage correct the child is able to manage impulses, sit quietly, and pay attention to the lessons in school.

Each person to their own, but I am not sure your performance vet would endorse using ace on a regular basis as a training aid.

I do find that vets are stuck in between a rock and a hard place as they are trying to do the best they can for the horse, but their hands are tied (or they feel this way) as the owner/trainer are wanting a quick fix, the miracle drug, or have too high of expectations for the animal they have.

Everything is controlled by the dollar, and vets are very conscious about this, they are trying to give their client the cheapest fix possible that way they do not loose the business of said client.


I totally get that. And your probably right. Mine is very temporary. Like I got a 50 cc bottle and thought to myself there would be no way I would use all of it. Lol not even close. I have been with my vet 20 years and she is booked absolutely full. Can't take any more clients so money or losing me is not part of her particular decision making. But I have used young vets in emergencies that tried to charge me 20.00 for a roll of vet wrap. Lol I feel sorry for large animal vets. They don't get near as much money as small animal ones. Lol
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