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Location: Georgia | Is it safe to feed RG to younger horses? Like a 3yo? I had a vet student who is a personal friend recommend that RG would not be good to feed to something younger and still growing. I will have to look back through my messages and see what her reasoning was. |
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Location: NE Texas | I'd say depends on the forage you're feeding in addition to the RG, considering RG doesn't have a vit/min package in it. Equine diets should consist of primarily forage, with grains only added if needed to supplement fat or energy, which would be where the RG comes in. I'd concentrate on investing in the best quality hay you can find, maybe an alfalfa blend, and if you find they need a bit extra fat source, then add in the RG, but the biggest priority should be the forage you're feeding. I wouldn't add any grains unless absolutely necessary. |
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Location: CTX | I feed it to everything I have. My yearling started eating it when he was still with mom last year. So would like to know what her reasoning is for this.
Also, get with winwillows on here. He knows everything there is to know about RG. |
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Location: God's country...aka TEXAS | I don't know why she would say u cant feed it to younger horses. No offense, but it sounds like she doesn't know what she is talking about. Its specifically made to be fed to horses of all ages - just different amounts. And regarding the vit/min, it has everything you need. Here is winwillows response to this from the products research forum on here-
"Renew Gold provides high levels of fat soluble vitamins. A recommended Renew Gold diet will normalize the hind gut which allows the horse to properly make water soluble vitamins as they evolved to do. Remember, there was no place in nature where a horse could stop at the vitamin pile. Now, a high grain ration will interfere with that vitamin production in the hind gut, so added water soluble vitamins may make sense in those diets. Those added vitamins are not necessary in a proper RG diet. As to minerals, this varies by geographic region. Where there are specific mineral deficiencies in some regions, added mineral support for that specific deficiency makes sense, just as it would in any diet. I would say that over 80% or our customers do not add a mineral supplement to the diet. Bottom line is spend your money on better hay, add Renew Gold, Redmond Salt and clean water and you should be good to go. If you have a regional mineral issue, that should be addressed. An example would be the Pacific Northwest where Selenium is deficient. If that is the case, those issues always need to be addressed case by case since no feed product that is "balanced" will be so everywhere. No nationally sold feed can address a specific regional deficiency. In those cases added minerals may be an advantage." |
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Location: Piedmont, OK | According to the Renew Gold website it can be fed to young horses. I have a yearling I feed 3/4 lb a day and no problems. |
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Location: Willows, CA | JLBerry - 2016-09-21 11:36 AM
I don't know why she would say u cant feed it to younger horses. No offense, but it sounds like she doesn't know what she is talking about. Its specifically made to be fed to horses of all ages - just different amounts. And regarding the vit/min, it has everything you need. Here is winwillows response to this from the products research forum on here-
"Renew Gold provides high levels of fat soluble vitamins. A recommended Renew Gold diet will normalize the hind gut which allows the horse to properly make water soluble vitamins as they evolved to do. Remember, there was no place in nature where a horse could stop at the vitamin pile. Now, a high grain ration will interfere with that vitamin production in the hind gut, so added water soluble vitamins may make sense in those diets. Those added vitamins are not necessary in a proper RG diet. As to minerals, this varies by geographic region. Where there are specific mineral deficiencies in some regions, added mineral support for that specific deficiency makes sense, just as it would in any diet. I would say that over 80% or our customers do not add a mineral supplement to the diet. Bottom line is spend your money on better hay, add Renew Gold, Redmond Salt and clean water and you should be good to go. If you have a regional mineral issue, that should be addressed. An example would be the Pacific Northwest where Selenium is deficient. If that is the case, those issues always need to be addressed case by case since no feed product that is "balanced" will be so everywhere. No nationally sold feed can address a specific regional deficiency. In those cases added minerals may be an advantage."
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We do a lot of young horses. The comment above about roughage, hay and / or pasture, as the base of any diet is absolutely right. The total diet for a growing horse needs to be around 15% quality protein for the whole diet. Where the hay quality is poor, you may need an additional protein source for growing horses to bring the entire diet to the proper level. Renew Gold tests a little over 15% protein, but is fed at a low rate and will not make up for poor quality hay that is very low in protein. Some alfalfa in the diet, where available, is the easiest and safest answer to this issue in most cases. If not, a low rate of a quality ration balancer may help in growing horses, but makes a poor energy source in mature performance horses. Added vitamin/mineral packages are only beneficial when the basic diet is disruptive to the horses normal production of vitamins in the hind gut and efficient uptake of minerals from the hay. High grain inclusions in the diet, over 1 1/2 pounds per feeding, would fall into that category.
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Location: Georgia | I will be happy to Pm anyone the summary of RG that she sent me. I just dont want to post it publicly
She was concerned with the amino acid deficiency in RG for a horse under 5yo. DO they get all that from forage? Right now I am feeding Alfalfa cubes and free choice hay or 24/7 turn out.
My open horses look great on it. Even had to cut one back to 1/2 a lb.
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Location: Willows, CA | mandita8907 - 2016-09-21 12:20 PM
I will be happy to Pm anyone the summary of RG that she sent me. I just dont want to post it publicly
She was concerned with the amino acid deficiency in RG for a horse under 5yo. DO they get all that from forage? Right now I am feeding Alfalfa cubes and free choice hay or 24/7 turn out.
My open horses look great on it. Even had to cut one back to 1/2 a lb.
Most vet students think that they know more about nutrition than they really do. Most vets do too. Renew Gold has an outstanding amino acid profile. In addition, improved efficiency in the hind gut also allows for better utilization of the protein present in the roughage. Poor hay can require additional protein sources in young horses, as I pointed out above. This may have been what your vet student had an issue with. This does not reduce the positive effect that Renew Gold has throughout the entire digestive system, nor does it diminish the value that this effect provides in a young horse. I once had a vet in Florida say that you could accomplish the same thing that a pound of Renew Gold does with a cup of corn oil. This disregarded the fact that while it is 15% fat, it is 85% other things that have effective value. Intelligence has it's limits, ignorance does not.
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Location: God's country...aka TEXAS | winwillows - 2016-09-21 1:06 PM
mandita8907 - 2016-09-21 12:20 PM
I will be happy to Pm anyone the summary of RG that she sent me. I just dont want to post it publicly
She was concerned with the amino acid deficiency in RG for a horse under 5yo. DO they get all that from forage? Right now I am feeding Alfalfa cubes and free choice hay or 24/7 turn out.
My open horses look great on it. Even had to cut one back to 1/2 a lb.
Most vet students think that they know more about nutrition than they really do. Most vets do too. Renew Gold has an outstanding amino acid profile. In addition, improved efficiency in the hind gut also allows for better utilization of the protein present in the roughage. Poor hay can require additional protein sources in young horses, as I pointed out above. This may have been what your vet student had an issue with. This does not reduce the positive effect that Renew Gold has throughout the entire digestive system, nor does it diminish the value that this effect provides in a young horse. I once had a vet in Florida say that you could accomplish the same thing that a pound of Renew Gold does with a cup of corn oil. This disregarded the fact that while it is 15% fat, it is 85% other things that have effective value. Intelligence has it's limits, ignorance does not.
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| I feed it to everything from mares with colts to my older horses. I just had to adjust the quantities for the individual horse based on what they need. So far, so good! |
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Location: Arkansas | winwillows - 2016-09-21 1:06 PM
mandita8907 - 2016-09-21 12:20 PM
I will be happy to Pm anyone the summary of RG that she sent me. I just dont want to post it publicly
She was concerned with the amino acid deficiency in RG for a horse under 5yo. DO they get all that from forage? Right now I am feeding Alfalfa cubes and free choice hay or 24/7 turn out.
My open horses look great on it. Even had to cut one back to 1/2 a lb.
Most vet students think that they know more about nutrition than they really do. Most vets do too. Renew Gold has an outstanding amino acid profile. In addition, improved efficiency in the hind gut also allows for better utilization of the protein present in the roughage. Poor hay can require additional protein sources in young horses, as I pointed out above. This may have been what your vet student had an issue with. This does not reduce the positive effect that Renew Gold has throughout the entire digestive system, nor does it diminish the value that this effect provides in a young horse. I once had a vet in Florida say that you could accomplish the same thing that a pound of Renew Gold does with a cup of corn oil. This disregarded the fact that while it is 15% fat, it is 85% other things that have effective value. Intelligence has it's limits, ignorance does not.
Lord help me that last sentence covers a multitude of issues we deal with daily. . . . |
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Location: Got Lobsta? | I have 5 horses on it, - 32, 28, 26, 14 and 3. The 3 year old has been on it since she was a yearling and is a tank. LOVE IT!! |
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Location: Bandera, TX | I have a two year old that's stretching the tape at 15.2 right now. (Yes, he's out of big parents so the genetics were there.) He was raised on Renew Gold and a flake of alfalfa daily and unlimited supply of the best coastal I could find him. I don't see any reason not to raise babies on RG. In fact, I thought my babies at the ranch were looking good till I brought them to the farm next to their sibling. Well, in just two months time I'm seeing great changes in the others-all due to RG and a chip of Alfalfa am/pm. |
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