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| I need some more input and suggestions for this horse. My daughter rides him, he's older, not much motivates him anymore, other than feed time lol! But he's probably one of the worst cases I've seen and been around. Once he decides he's not gonna leave the barn or the other horses and she tries to ride him away, he instantly goes into reverse, ducks his head and will run her into the fence, trailers, trucks, people or other horses.. she can't whip him if anything of value is behind her because he kicks out and fiercely! My horse got kicked badly from him because I was standing there and told her to whip his butt! We've tried making him work while he's in his favorite spot, figure 8s, tight circles till he's out of breath and then letting him rest away from the barn and other horses... hasn't worked thus far.. he pulled the stunt on her last ride... the old fart is smart ... he won't even try it when I'm on him... he will ride right off when I want... he really only does it with her. She's had plenty of embarrassing moments at races and other events.
He's so bad, she had a friend of hers riding him, experienced rider, he started back up with her out in the pasture by the gate and he backed right into the hot wire fence... which zapped the crud outta him... he jolted forward, leaving his rider in the dirt. I'm out of ideas of what to do! I do own a cattle prod lol!? Any other suggestions? | |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Find her a nice gelding/mare that she can enjoy and not give her a bad time, after awhile shes just going to give it all up after being burn with this one. And he sounds like hes going to get someone hurt.. | |
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Location: Texas | How much ground work does she do with him? Horses aren't going to respect you in the saddle if they don't respect you on the ground. | |
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| BarrelRacing4Christ - 2017-02-15 9:08 AM
How much ground work does she do with him? Horses aren't going to respect you in the saddle if they don't respect you on the ground.
He's fine on the ground.. no issues there. I talked about him in my other thread about my daughter and her colt that's in training. This particular gelding is old, crotchety and just plain stubborn. But he's not going anywhere. We saved his life and I just can't let him go anywhere else. He'll live out his days with us. He's an amazing safe trail horse, nothing phases him out there and he will cross just about everything you come across. He's got that going for him! He just gets stupid when she rides him back over to the barn or trailer, then wants to go out again.
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Been thinking about this, does her saddle fit him right and have a nice saddle pad thats not to stiff? Hes a cute fella but I see that he a little thick. So just wanted to throw that out there. | |
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| want2chase3 - 2017-02-14 8:06 PM I need some more input and suggestions for this horse. My daughter rides him, he's older, not much motivates him anymore, other than feed time lol! But he's probably one of the worst cases I've seen and been around. Once he decides he's not gonna leave the barn or the other horses and she tries to ride him away, he instantly goes into reverse, ducks his head and will run her into the fence, trailers, trucks, people or other horses.. she can't whip him if anything of value is behind her because he kicks out and fiercely! My horse got kicked badly from him because I was standing there and told her to whip his butt! We've tried making him work while he's in his favorite spot, figure 8s, tight circles till he's out of breath and then letting him rest away from the barn and other horses... hasn't worked thus far.. he pulled the stunt on her last ride... the old fart is smart ... he won't even try it when I'm on him... he will ride right off when I want... he really only does it with her. She's had plenty of embarrassing moments at races and other events. He's so bad, she had a friend of hers riding him, experienced rider, he started back up with her out in the pasture by the gate and he backed right into the hot wire fence... which zapped the crud outta him... he jolted forward, leaving his rider in the dirt. I'm out of ideas of what to do! I do own a cattle prod lol!? Any other suggestions?
How many times have you reinforced this? Trying this 3 or 4 times will not do this trick. If you’re going to make is favorite spot no longer his favorite spot you will need to make him work at it every. single. ride. Don’t wait until he acts up – just make these spots/where he wants to go hard work. I think they say it takes 21-30 days of repeated action to break a bad habit..so it may take awhile, but the most important thig is to be consistent!
If you think he is too much for her when he is acting up, you may need to get on and work him – and then allow your daughter to get back on. I’ve had to do this a couple times and after a bit they realize it’s a lot less work to keep the same kid on their back.
Good luck, I know how frustrating it can be!
Forgot to say, reverse arcs and reverse arc circles are really good to to make them work
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| Southtxponygirl - 2017-02-15 9:26 AM
Been thinking about this, does her saddle fit him right and have a nice saddle pad thats not to stiff? Hes a cute fella but I see that he a little thick. So just wanted to throw that out there.
I've been looking for a saddle for her, she outgrew her last one. It fit him great. The one shes using now probably isnt ideal but she rides him 95% bareback and hes still doing it. At 1 point i thought he may have had ulcers because he hated being cinched up and he also hated when id go to put his blanket on. I started pouring some aloe Vera juice in his feed and he lightened up a bit with the ear pinning and stomping . It's funny you say he's "thick" makes me laugh because when we found him he was so poor and sick. Makes me happy though, he turned into the easiest keeper on the place and stays plenty fat on minimal feed!
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | want2chase3 - 2017-02-15 10:06 AM Southtxponygirl - 2017-02-15 9:26 AM Been thinking about this, does her saddle fit him right and have a nice saddle pad thats not to stiff? Hes a cute fella but I see that he a little thick. So just wanted to throw that out there. I've been looking for a saddle for her, she outgrew her last one. It fit him great. The one shes using now probably isnt ideal but she rides him 95% bareback and hes still doing it. At 1 point i thought he may have had ulcers because he hated being cinched up and he also hated when id go to put his blanket on. I started pouring some aloe Vera juice in his feed and he lightened up a bit with the ear pinning and stomping . It's funny you say he's "thick" makes me laugh because when we found him he was so poor and sick. Makes me happy though, he turned into the easiest keeper on the place and stays plenty fat on minimal feed!
I think hes a pretty fella and he looks very loved..  To bad hes being a jackwangon to his little girl, shame on him,lol | |
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| veintiocho - 2017-02-15 9:46 AM
want2chase3 - 2017-02-14 8:06 PM I need some more input and suggestions for this horse. My daughter rides him, he's older, not much motivates him anymore, other than feed time lol! But he's probably one of the worst cases I've seen and been around. Once he decides he's not gonna leave the barn or the other horses and she tries to ride him away, he instantly goes into reverse, ducks his head and will run her into the fence, trailers, trucks, people or other horses.. she can't whip him if anything of value is behind her because he kicks out and fiercely! My horse got kicked badly from him because I was standing there and told her to whip his butt! We've tried making him work while he's in his favorite spot, figure 8s, tight circles till he's out of breath and then letting him rest away from the barn and other horses... hasn't worked thus far.. he pulled the stunt on her last ride... the old fart is smart ... he won't even try it when I'm on him... he will ride right off when I want... he really only does it with her. She's had plenty of embarrassing moments at races and other events. He's so bad, she had a friend of hers riding him, experienced rider, he started back up with her out in the pasture by the gate and he backed right into the hot wire fence... which zapped the crud outta him... he jolted forward, leaving his rider in the dirt. I'm out of ideas of what to do! I do own a cattle prod lol!? Any other suggestions?
How many times have you reinforced this? Trying this 3 or 4 times will not do this trick. If you’re going to make is favorite spot no longer his favorite spot you will need to make him work at it every. single. ride. Don’t wait until he acts up – just make these spots/where he wants to go hard work. I think they say it takes 21-30 days of repeated action to break a bad habit..so it may take awhile, but the most important thig is to be consistent! If you think he is too much for her when he is acting up, you may need to get on and work him – and then allow your daughter to get back on. I’ve had to do this a couple times and after a bit they realize it’s a lot less work to keep the same kid on their back. Good luck, I know how frustrating it can be!
Forgot to say, reverse arcs and reverse arc circles are really good to to make them work
You are probably right on that. We haven't done it that much and I rarely ever get on him, only when it gets really bad for her, then he doesn't try me. I should probably ride him more often! | |
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| Southtxponygirl - 2017-02-15 10:10 AM
want2chase3 - 2017-02-15 10:06 AM Southtxponygirl - 2017-02-15 9:26 AM Been thinking about this, does her saddle fit him right and have a nice saddle pad thats not to stiff? Hes a cute fella but I see that he a little thick. So just wanted to throw that out there. I've been looking for a saddle for her, she outgrew her last one. It fit him great. The one shes using now probably isnt ideal but she rides him 95% bareback and hes still doing it. At 1 point i thought he may have had ulcers because he hated being cinched up and he also hated when id go to put his blanket on. I started pouring some aloe Vera juice in his feed and he lightened up a bit with the ear pinning and stomping . It's funny you say he's "thick" makes me laugh because when we found him he was so poor and sick. Makes me happy though, he turned into the easiest keeper on the place and stays plenty fat on minimal feed!
Thanks! He's had a few moments of greatness lol! She won her very first barrel race on him, don't have a clue where his speed came from that day, because I've never seen him run that fast... EVER..not even to the feed bucket lol! And he's really good at bringing up the steers, he pins his ears and will push them right along. He's also really good for the kids to practice roping the hot heels on, in low gear, of course. | |
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Location: Arkansas | I just wanted to say good for y'all for saving him. And I think he's definitely worth working on and "saving" again. I think he's a pretty boy  | |
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| Awww thanks. He holds a special place in our hearts, even tho he can be a big jerk sometimes! His story was so sad. His previous owner took his own life and left him to fend for himself. He wasn't found for a few months. Some people took him in they didn't know anything about horses.. I heard about him thru some mutual friends, they sent me a pic of him when he was in good flesh still, didn't have a clue he was that starved down.
We drove over 7 hours to go check him out. When we pulled up, he was tied to a tree out front of a house. I couldn't believe my eyes. My husband didn't want to get out and look at him, but I said let's just see what's going on! Turns out these folks had no money and couldn't afford to feed him anymore and if we didn't take him he was going to the sale. As poor as he was I needed to know if he'd ride so my daughter got on him with the leadrope and he walked all over the place like a gentleman. I decided we'd take him. That horse pretty much pulled my daughter to our trailer and he just jumped right in lol! He wanted out of there!
I was so worried about him making that long trip home, it was hot. He laid down in our stock trailer. When we got him home.. he had a nice big stall with shavings galore, he laid down immediately! I feed him slowly 4 times a day soaked alfalfa cubes and started introducing more hay till he worked up to free choice.. then added forco and some bluebonnet omega force... wormed him and we took him to the vet. They said he was roughly 15-18 years old.
This was my kiddos and his first barrel race :-)
People that see him cannot believe it's the same horse we brought home that day!
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Location: That part of Texas | I would tie him out all day, by himself, away from that comfy barn and all his friends. I would do this repeatedly until it's a treat to come back to that barn and he's happy to see people instead of it being the reverse -- where you are invading his happy place by coming to work with him and take him out. | |
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Location: Arkansas | want2chase3 - 2017-02-16 8:35 AM
Awww thanks. He holds a special place in our hearts, even tho he can be a big jerk sometimes! His story was so sad. His previous owner took his own life and left him to fend for himself. He wasn't found for a few months. Some people took him in they didn't know anything about horses.. I heard about him thru some mutual friends, they sent me a pic of him when he was in good flesh still, didn't have a clue he was that starved down.
We drove over 7 hours to go check him out. When we pulled up, he was tied to a tree out front of a house. I couldn't believe my eyes. My husband didn't want to get out and look at him, but I said let's just see what's going on! Turns out these folks had no money and couldn't afford to feed him anymore and if we didn't take him he was going to the sale. As poor as he was I needed to know if he'd ride so my daughter got on him with the leadrope and he walked all over the place like a gentleman. I decided we'd take him. That horse pretty much pulled my daughter to our trailer and he just jumped right in lol! He wanted out of there!
I was so worried about him making that long trip home, it was hot. He laid down in our stock trailer. When we got him home.. he had a nice big stall with shavings galore, he laid down immediately! I feed him slowly 4 times a day soaked alfalfa cubes and started introducing more hay till he worked up to free choice.. then added forco and some bluebonnet omega force... wormed him and we took him to the vet. They said he was roughly 15-18 years old.
This was my kiddos and his first barrel race :-)
People that see him cannot believe it's the same horse we brought home that day!
That horse is hugging his girl in gratitude for saving him. I love that picture, and I have faith y'all are gonna figure this out! | |
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| Red Raider - 2017-02-16 9:04 AM
I would tie him out all day, by himself, away from that comfy barn and all his friends. I would do this repeatedly until it's a treat to come back to that barn and he's happy to see people instead of it being the reverse -- where you are invading his happy place by coming to work with him and take him out.
This^^ and if you can swing it, two-a-day rides. Ride him in the morning, tie him up for the day and then ride him in the evening. And if you can pen him away from the other horses do that too. I have used this method repeatedly. | |
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