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ImaSparkyAce Reg. Aug 2007	Posted 2017-02-22 8:33 AM Subject: Hip high genetic?
Elite Veteran Posts: 1008	Just curious if we know if this is a genetic trait? Why some horses end up downhill permanently while others even out in the end? Certain lines over others? Edited by ImaSparkyAce 2017-02-22 8:55 AM
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Nateracer Reg. Feb 2008	Posted 2017-02-22 9:26 AM Subject: RE: Hip high genetic?
Miss Laundry Misshap Posts: 5271	I'd say the best guess is it's a genetic malfunction. Is there a specific gene, probably not. But the combinations of some horses just work out that way, but I've never heard of a specific stud or mare family that specifically throws downhill foals.
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ImaSparkyAce Reg. Aug 2007	Posted 2017-02-22 9:32 AM Subject: RE: Hip high genetic?
Elite Veteran Posts: 1008	Nateracer - 2017-02-22 9:26 AM I'd say the best guess is it's a genetic malfunction. Is there a specific gene, probably not. But the combinations of some horses just work out that way, but I've never heard of a specific stud or mare family that specifically throws downhill foals. So if I bred a hip high horse any guesses on what the results would be for the foal?
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Nateracer Reg. Feb 2008	Posted 2017-02-22 9:39 AM Subject: RE: Hip high genetic?
Miss Laundry Misshap Posts: 5271	Depends on what you bred it to.
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IRunOnFaith Reg. Dec 2009	Posted 2017-02-22 11:58 AM Subject: RE: Hip high genetic?
Expert Posts: 3815 Location: The best kept secret in TX	My gelding was actually gelded because his withers were higher than his hip...Opposite of your question I realize. Breeder considered him a "cull". His papers are excellent. He would've made a great stud horse on paper alone but I have to agree with the guy who bred him... He's not pretty to look at. He can run tho so that's all that matters to me I guess. He has The Ole Man, Three Bars, Leo, Mr San Peppy and multiple other older lines all over his papers. Conformation just didn't work out in his favor. He sticks just shy of 17 hands.... He's oddly built... http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/index.php?query_type=check&search_bar=horse&h=mr+lee+san+peppy&g=5&inbred=All+Duplicates Edited by IRunOnFaith 2017-02-22 11:58 AM
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classicpotatochip Reg. Mar 2011	Posted 2017-02-22 12:00 PM Subject: RE: Hip high genetic?
Owner of a ratting catting machine Posts: 2258	Why would anyone breed to something that is obviously conformationally faulty?
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Nateracer Reg. Feb 2008	Posted 2017-02-22 12:05 PM Subject: RE: Hip high genetic?
Miss Laundry Misshap Posts: 5271	classicpotatochip - 2017-02-22 12:00 PM Why would anyone breed to something that is obviously conformationally faulty? Because you love your baby and want to have a dozen just like that one!
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veintiocho Reg. Sep 2015	Posted 2017-02-22 12:47 PM Subject: RE: Hip high genetic?
Elite Veteran Posts: 672	ImaSparkyAce - 2017-02-22 8:33 AM Just curious if we know if this is a genetic trait? Why some horses end up downhill permanently while others even out in the end? Certain lines over others? It's a confirmation fault and any faults you can just assume will be passed on. My dad always said breed the best to the best and hope for the best. A lot of times that doesn't even work
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wyoming barrel racer Reg. Apr 2006	Posted 2017-02-23 9:38 AM Subject: RE: Hip high genetic?
Neat Freak Posts: 11216 Location: Wonderful Wyoming	Most race lines are higher at the hip than at the withers.
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OregonBR Reg. Dec 2003	Posted 2017-02-23 10:41 AM Subject: RE: Hip high genetic?
Champ Posts: 19623 Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm	I don't consider being hip high (I call it downhill) to be a "fault". Though I personally don't want to ride a horse that is downhill. It hurts my back. In some disciplines it's not a problem at all. There are many very good race horses that are downhill and they are some of the fastest in the world. Special Effort was one of the best racehorse stallions of all time and he was definitely downhill. FG sires horses that are downhill. Judge Cash is downhill. I do know that many times these horses will level up when they are mature. Some do not. I also don't consider withers higher than hip to be a fault. I would like to ride that horse more so than the opposite. Many TB's are higher in the withers than the hip. IMO It's not a fault unless if affects the discipline the horse is intended for. ETA: Of course it's genetic. Conformation is genetic. Edited by OregonBR 2017-02-23 10:44 AM
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wyoming barrel racer Reg. Apr 2006	Posted 2017-02-23 10:58 AM Subject: RE: Hip high genetic?
Neat Freak Posts: 11216 Location: Wonderful Wyoming	OregonBR - 2017-02-23 9:41 AM I don't consider being hip high (I call it downhill) to be a "fault". Though I personally don't want to ride a horse that is downhill. It hurts my back. In some disciplines it's not a problem at all. There are many very good race horses that are downhill and they are some of the fastest in the world. Special Effort was one of the best racehorse stallions of all time and he was definitely downhill. FG sires horses that are downhill. Judge Cash is downhill. I do know that many times these horses will level up when they are mature. Some do not. I also don't consider withers higher than hip to be a fault. I would like to ride that horse more so than the opposite. Many TB's are higher in the withers than the hip. IMO It's not a fault unless if affects the discipline the horse is intended for. ETA: Of course it's genetic. Conformation is genetic. Thank you! Great explaination. Yes many FG's are built a tad downhill. They obviously perform pretty darn well
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OregonBR Reg. Dec 2003	Posted 2017-02-23 12:31 PM Subject: RE: Hip high genetic?
Champ Posts: 19623 Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm	wyoming barrel racer - 2017-02-23 8:58 AM OregonBR - 2017-02-23 9:41 AM I don't consider being hip high (I call it downhill) to be a "fault". Though I personally don't want to ride a horse that is downhill. It hurts my back. In some disciplines it's not a problem at all. There are many very good race horses that are downhill and they are some of the fastest in the world. Special Effort was one of the best racehorse stallions of all time and he was definitely downhill. FG sires horses that are downhill. Judge Cash is downhill. I do know that many times these horses will level up when they are mature. Some do not. I also don't consider withers higher than hip to be a fault. I would like to ride that horse more so than the opposite. Many TB's are higher in the withers than the hip. IMO It's not a fault unless if affects the discipline the horse is intended for. ETA: Of course it's genetic. Conformation is genetic. Thank you! Great explaination. Yes many FG's are built a tad downhill. They obviously perform pretty darn well Yes they do. And there are so many more positives to the FG horses than the negatives. The babies o/o my FG daughter by HAB are turning out to be little stars. Edited by OregonBR 2017-02-23 12:32 PM
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