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| I started my gelding in Dec on the Game Changer and the Align. Been 60 days now and I really not sure if I am seeing any difference. Has anyone used these products? Previously he was on Cetyl M and I know that the Game Changer is very similar. |
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Location: North Dakota -> Colorado | I have my two on OE Align and am adding Bo's Secret. Also, make sure you check levels of certain vitamins/minerals in your feeding program as to not create any surprise toxicities. I do feel my one horse feels and looks good on the OE Align. The other is a bit more questionable however he's probably more calm than I've really ever seen him and his feeding is WAY more amped up than in the past. He's just kind of crazy in general however now he will lope calm and collected around the pen for the most part except in loud situations.
ETA: in the past I was told to only feed him whole oats as anything else will cause him to be through the roof, and right now he is on red cell, which I believe is known to fire them up and so far he is not any worse (if not a little better) than he was on just plain oats.
Edited by TurnNBurn-3Barrels 2017-02-22 1:24 PM
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| You can't go wrong with OE Nutraceuticals. I have three on the Align. I use Lubrysin and give Pentosan for the joints. |
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| TurnNBurn-3Barrels - 2017-02-22 11:22 AM I have my two on OE Align and am adding Bo's Secret. Also, make sure you check levels of certain vitamins/minerals in your feeding program as to not create any surprise toxicities. I do feel my one horse feels and looks good on the OE Align. The other is a bit more questionable however he's probably more calm than I've really ever seen him and his feeding is WAY more amped up than in the past. He's just kind of crazy in general however now he will lope calm and collected around the pen for the most part except in loud situations.
ETA: in the past I was told to only feed him whole oats as anything else will cause him to be through the roof, and right now he is on red cell, which I believe is known to fire them up and so far he is not any worse (if not a little better) than he was on just plain oats. A couple tips...
Whole oats are like candy or white bread to us - the are simple carbohydrates and don't offer much more than a energy burst. You would be better off to replace them with a forage (alfalfa, timothy, grass, beet pulp (molasses free), etc) pellet, rice bran pellet or even Renew Gold. I also add either chia seed or flax meal to help increase the omega 3 level.
Iron competes with magnesium for absorbtion so unless your horse is anemic, most do not need supplemental iron but they do need supplemental magnesium (best to use in either a citrate or malate form for better absorption). Also beneficial to make sure that your supplement contains natural vitamin E (d-alpha not DL-alpha), copper and zinc.
Be aware of iron levels in any "blocks" that you may have out as well (iron is what gives them their reddish hue). I prefer a blue cobalt block (colbalt is used in B12 synthesis) and/or a plain white block.
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Location: North Dakota -> Colorado | wishingforsun - 2017-02-22 3:29 PM TurnNBurn-3Barrels - 2017-02-22 11:22 AM I have my two on OE Align and am adding Bo's Secret. Also, make sure you check levels of certain vitamins/minerals in your feeding program as to not create any surprise toxicities. I do feel my one horse feels and looks good on the OE Align. The other is a bit more questionable however he's probably more calm than I've really ever seen him and his feeding is WAY more amped up than in the past. He's just kind of crazy in general however now he will lope calm and collected around the pen for the most part except in loud situations.
ETA: in the past I was told to only feed him whole oats as anything else will cause him to be through the roof, and right now he is on red cell, which I believe is known to fire them up and so far he is not any worse (if not a little better) than he was on just plain oats. A couple tips...
Whole oats are like candy or white bread to us - the are simple carbohydrates and don't offer much more than a energy burst. You would be better off to replace them with a forage (alfalfa, timothy, grass, beet pulp (molasses free), etc) pellet, rice bran pellet or even Renew Gold. I also add either chia seed or flax meal to help increase the omega 3 level.
Iron competes with magnesium for absorbtion so unless your horse is anemic, most do not need supplemental iron but they do need supplemental magnesium (best to use in either a citrate or malate form for better absorption). Also beneficial to make sure that your supplement contains natural vitamin E (d-alpha not DL-alpha), copper and zinc.
Be aware of iron levels in any "blocks" that you may have out as well (iron is what gives them their reddish hue). I prefer a blue cobalt block (colbalt is used in B12 synthesis) and/or a plain white block.
Understand, however this is what he was fed, IE NOT exactly what I'm feeding now. I understand what you are saying and thank you for any information (I'm always game to learn and research into new things), however I am happy with the results that I am getting with my horses on the current program (Free choice hay, 2-4 flakes of alfalfa a day, 6-8 pounds of Strategy, 1 QT Renew Gold, OE Align, and Red Cell, and some oats, just because. (The altering above in the amount of flakes or pounds per day is dependent on which horse it is going to; each horse is constant) If I'm going to drop anything, I would be dropping the Red Cell, and that might be happening anyway since I'm adding Bo's Secret. In the past and currently my horses feel well on what I'm feeding, but am willing to tweek, and Bo's Secret would seem to be a good addition, and getting rid of Red Cell.
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Location: NE Texas | Holy crap, that's alot! Is that grain you mentioned split up in to 2 feedings? I mean no disrespect whatsoever, i've just never had to feed a horse that much grain, plus alfalfa, plus a major fat supplement like RG. I would think the RG with the alfalfa would be plenty.
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Location: North Dakota -> Colorado | Herbie - 2017-02-22 4:47 PM Holy crap, that's alot! Is that grain you mentioned split up in to 2 feedings? I mean no disrespect whatsoever, i've just never had to feed a horse that much grain, plus alfalfa, plus a major fat supplement like RG. I would think the RG with the alfalfa would be plenty.
Yes, It's split into 2 feedings! The hay that they have access to right now is not the best and they were starting to lose weight (If i didn't have to feed that much, you can bet I wouldnt be ;) ) However, with the quality of forage in question and the particular horse in case (was dropping weight on free choice hay, 2 flakes of alfalfa and 4 ish pounds of strategy (He was at about a 4 BCS and dropping) I have had to greatly up his feed to get him back to where he should be. He is finally getting up to weight, and I'm starting my descent to find the plateau amount that will hold him at his weight. He's a very nervous horse and drops weight like no one's business but I'm guessing he's going to need atleast 3 flakes of alfalfa, 5-6 pounds of strategy and the quart of Renew Gold. I do understand that it is a lot. He's just really hard to keep weight on... I definitely did not think I would have had to feed him that much either!! |
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Location: Oklahoma | My injections have started lasting a lot longer since I started game changer. I've seen a friends horse bulk up a lot on align so I'm going to start on that soon as I can get some |
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Location: Southern Michigan | The one thing you need to realize is that Turn n Burn-3 Barrels is coming out of a North Dakota winter. We had a mild winter here in Michigan, and I still feed probably a lot more than my mare would get if in Texas. Come spring she will get cut way back when she doesn't need the extra to stay warm and maintain weight.
I love reading and learning about all these products though and their results! Thanks for the info! |
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| From what I have found, the OE ingredients that would benefit a horse are supplied in an amount lower than the recommended dosage for a horse (3x lower). If you factor that in with the price compared to similar products, you would need to feed 3x as many servings and that comes at 3x the cost ($6.00 per day!). You are also paying premium for emulsifiers and other non useful ingredients. |
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Location: God's country...aka TEXAS | As mentioned above- most of the ingredients are in MUCH lower doses than other supplements, even though their advertising says other wise. Check the labels. Also, BO's secret contains molasses. I would NOT be adding molasses and crappy fillers to my horses diet. |
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