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| What's everyone's thoughts on this please. I hear both sides, some say NO some say sure. I know I'm to pull all water after I give the dose until I run. However, I can't stand the thought of my guy going 3 or 4 hours without anything to munch on at the trailer. What about using a slow feed net? He's also ulcer prone so he needs a happy tummy. |
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| I have read different stories,too. I do let mine nibble hay out of a slow feed hay net. He gets too nervous,if he is just waiting at the trailer. I give Lung Function from THE and 3cc Lasix 4 hrs. before and it has worked for the last 4 runs. I hope you find what works for you :)
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| My horses have hay in front of them at all times in a slow feed net. They need something to do while they wait. I've never had a problem. Some say not to give hay because it fills the stomach and puts more pressure on the lungs. Until there is research concluding this I will continue to give hay. |
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| It makes it more likely for them to bleed. Most track trainers will pull hay and water after lasix. To calm a nervous one they might hand feed leaves every bit while having a groom brush n mess with them but very few trainers allow hay after lasix.
ETA the only time my allergy induced bleeder has bleed though lasix was a day I tied him up to the trailer with alfalfa to munch on....never again for me.
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Location: North Dakota | Wild1 - 2017-05-10 5:03 PM What's everyone's thoughts on this please. I hear both sides, some say NO some say sure. I know I'm to pull all water after I give the dose until I run. However, I can't stand the thought of my guy going 3 or 4 hours without anything to munch on at the trailer. What about using a slow feed net? He's also ulcer prone so he needs a happy tummy.
I can't comment on your actual question because I don't have any experience with LASIX, but I just wanted to say that your horse is just fine for 3 or 4 hours without hay.
When I work my horses in the evening, I catch them both (I have 2) and one stands tied to the trailer while I exercise the other one. Usually takes me about 3 hours if I am being slow about it to exercise them both. They can certainly be without food for 3 hours. They are just fine. And experienced enough with it to stand quietly at the trailer and wait.
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Location: Tulsa, Ok | astreakinchic - 2017-05-11 7:58 AM It makes it more likely for them to bleed. Most track trainers will pull hay and water after lasix. To calm a nervous one they might hand feed leaves every bit while having a groom brush n mess with them but very few trainers allow hay after lasix. ETA the only time my allergy induced bleeder has bleed though lasix was a day I tied him up to the trailer with alfalfa to munch on....never again for me.
Our bleeder maintains on a couple of feed additives, but we do pull hay approximately 4 hours before a run. |
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| This is why I give lasix IV and not IM. It only takes an hour to work when given IV so they can be on hay and water up until 1 hour out instead of 4. This is also why I don't enter barrel races where the producer does not start on time!!!!!!! I was number 3 out in a race once. Gave lasix 1 hour before and they started the race 2 hours late on a STEAMING HOT DAY with no shade!!!! They just kept letting people do time onlys. ANyway, my horse was a dried up prune so I loaded up and came home and didn't run. |
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| Thank you for the replies, I guess it's going to depend on the horse, maybe I'll give a little hay to keep occupied. I do NOT trust myself to give IV so I must do IM |
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| We used to always pull hay and water 4 hours before they ran with lasix...well, we thought one of ours was going to scratch...so we gave him back his water and hay. We ended up finding a farrier to put a shoe on him about 30 min before. So he ended up running after lsix, with hay AND water! Ran the best race of his life =] We no longer pull hay OR water. Plus, he was a bleeder...and viola, scoped clean and no blood. But, that's just in my experience. I totally understand both sides.
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| FLITASTIC - 2017-05-11 1:57 PM This is why I give lasix IV and not IM. It only takes an hour to work when given IV so they can be on hay and water up until 1 hour out instead of 4. This is also why I don't enter barrel races where the producer does not start on time!!!!!!! I was number 3 out in a race once. Gave lasix 1 hour before and they started the race 2 hours late on a STEAMING HOT DAY with no shade!!!! They just kept letting people do time onlys. ANyway, my horse was a dried up prune so I loaded up and came home and didn't run.
It does start to work quickly but, this usually isn't enough time for some horses to pee everyting out and not be holding urine during a run. If they pee heavily within 30mins to an hour after running, they needed more time.  |
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| I disagree that lasix works in only an hour iv. I give it iv and find that 3 - 3 1/2 hrs prior is good. I find that the lasix works better iv as opposed to im but also don't feed hay after dosing and my reason is the hay does fill the abdomen which puts more pressure on the lungs/hence can cause a bleed. But also that if you feed hay to a dehydrated horse you could end up with an impaction colic due to the fact that there is no liquid in the system to break down the food and move it through the intestines etc. That is my take on it. |
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Location: Oklahoma | Lasix is to pee out fluid so the horse's blood is thicker and less likely to bleed.
Hay in the horse's tummy needs water!!! Dry hay and a dehydrated horse would be a perfect enviroment for an impaction or colic.
NO HAY!! Simple |
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| FLITASTIC - 2017-05-11 4:57 PM
This is why I give lasix IV and not IM. It only takes an hour to work when given IV so they can be on hay and water up until 1 hour out instead of 4. This is also why I don't enter barrel races where the producer does not start on time!!!!!!! I was number 3 out in a race once. Gave lasix 1 hour before and they started the race 2 hours late on a STEAMING HOT DAY with no shade!!!! They just kept letting people do time onlys. ANyway, my horse was a dried up prune so I loaded up and came home and didn't run.
If you have ever been on the backside it is protocol to pull water and hay 3-4 hrs prior to running and directly after giving lasix. He does start to work actually within 30 mins but like others have said it is not enough time.
I give paste to try and prevent problems and will jug the night before....judge away.... |
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| astreakinchic - 2017-05-12 7:40 AM
FLITASTIC - 2017-05-11 4:57 PM
This is why I give lasix IV and not IM. It only takes an hour to work when given IV so they can be on hay and water up until 1 hour out instead of 4. This is also why I don't enter barrel races where the producer does not start on time!!!!!!! I was number 3 out in a race once. Gave lasix 1 hour before and they started the race 2 hours late on a STEAMING HOT DAY with no shade!!!! They just kept letting people do time onlys. ANyway, my horse was a dried up prune so I loaded up and came home and didn't run.
If you have ever been on the backside it is protocol to pull water and hay 3-4 hrs prior to running and directly after giving lasix. He does start to work actually within 30 mins but like others have said it is not enough time.
I give paste to try and prevent problems and will jug the night before....judge away....
My horse urinates TWICE within 30 minutes after lasix IV and when I say urinates, she pees a river literally. Its sudden for her. Standing there one second and instantly starts and even grunts when she pees from lasix. This takes place within 30 minutes. She NEVER goes again until I get home several hours later , so for HER one hour is perfect. |
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| FLITASTIC - 2017-05-12 11:44 AM
astreakinchic - 2017-05-12 7:40 AM
FLITASTIC - 2017-05-11 4:57 PM
This is why I give lasix IV and not IM. It only takes an hour to work when given IV so they can be on hay and water up until 1 hour out instead of 4. This is also why I don't enter barrel races where the producer does not start on time!!!!!!! I was number 3 out in a race once. Gave lasix 1 hour before and they started the race 2 hours late on a STEAMING HOT DAY with no shade!!!! They just kept letting people do time onlys. ANyway, my horse was a dried up prune so I loaded up and came home and didn't run.
If you have ever been on the backside it is protocol to pull water and hay 3-4 hrs prior to running and directly after giving lasix. He does start to work actually within 30 mins but like others have said it is not enough time.
I give paste to try and prevent problems and will jug the night before....judge away....
My horse urinates TWICE within 30 minutes after lasix IV and when I say urinates, she pees a river literally. Its sudden for her. Standing there one second and instantly starts and even grunts when she pees from lasix. This takes place within 30 minutes. She NEVER goes again until I get home several hours later , so for HER one hour is perfect.
Well if your cool with chancing lung infection and feel that an hour works for your mare contrary to a vets opinion then go for it.
I'd rather be safe than sorry and do what most vets recommend. To each their own... |
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