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| Best thing I ever did was sell it... worst thing was waiting too long to do it because she had my confidence down to ZERO by that time! | |
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Location: Montana | I feel like you guys do about selling, but my family (bless their hearts) think trying more is the answer. So that is why I am trying to get more info, opinions before I make up my mind. | |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | How long have you had her? | |
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| mtcanchazer - 2017-06-28 3:27 PM
I feel like you guys do about selling, but my family (bless their hearts) think trying more is the answer. So that is why I am trying to get more info, opinions before I make up my mind.Â
On something like that, I’d personally say give it to the end of summer/September and if you still feel the same way, then I’d sell her. But, if by then, you are starting to feel like you’re on the upturn of the battle with her then continue on with her! | |
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The Advice Guru
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| Figure out what you want in a horse, make a list of the things you can tolerate, and the deal breakers.
Then figure out where this horse fits.
To me spooking doesn't bother me, I have one very well bred mare that honestly spooks at every natural made object when se is by herself, yet when it comes to barrels she is all business. In a group of people she is the go to horse for the green riders, and she is only 5. I know she wont grow out of her quirks, and she does have a few that do drive me bananas, but all don't affect her performance or my safety.
My old horse was a spooker too, every ride was interesting, but again manageable.
I have learned there are too many horses in this world to not be happy with the one you have.
I have sold a few that didn't fit my program. I had one just got back from the trainer, not a bad word to be said about her, my first time riding her I knew she wasn't my style, so I sold her.
I wouldn't let your family influence your decision, you are the one who has to ride the horse, if it isn't fun, then why do it? | |
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | Life is too short to waste it on a counterfeit POS. It's likely they will never "get it" they aren't meant to be a barrel horse. I had a mare that was wonderful to be around on the ground but on her back she was horrible. I called her the food stamp cause she sure didn't want a job. Just a free ride. After her I quit making excuses for all the failures. If they don't want to be a barrel horse, they might be really good at something else. But not at my place. They find a new zip code.
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Total Germophobe
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Location: Montana | I don't mind spooking, I was just using that as a for instance.
I have owned her for more than a year, and usually by the 1 year point with any horse I have had, I have the kinks worked out and we are good to go and we get along pretty well.
As far as riding style goes,when she is good, our style fits pretty well (but I attribute that to the trainer, he trained my good horse as well), it is just the attitude she goes about things. It is like she is bipolar: one day she will do something perfect, and the next day it is a fight to get her to do it at all, and these are things she knows...not difficult things, just simple every day run of the mill. And it isn't all under saddle, its on the ground too. I understand horses have good days and bad, but what I don't understand is how her bad days can be so awful that I can hardly stand to be around her. She's not necessarily dangerous, just so hard to get along with on those days I don't even want to deal with her. I have tried to work it out of her, and make the right thing easy and the wrong thing hard, but on those days she does not care, she would rather lunge into the ground or stand tied to a patience pole, or throw herself on the ground than do what she is supposed to do.
I can't help but think it is something I'm doing wrong or I'm not doing, but I'm out of ideas of what to do. It is almost like she doesn't want to do it for me. Maybe it is like another poster said, maybe she knows how to push my buttons.
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Location: Southeast Louisiana | I have one that I literally HATE. I have never disliked an animal more. I am not a bleeding heart who believes animals are innocent and sweet and respond to kindness always and blah, blah, blah.. seriously. Just like some people are just a-holes, there are some animals who are just a-holes and I own one of them.
Now, he is smart. And, once I figured that out, it's been easier to get along with him. But, this was the first time I'd seen an animal con people. He would act (no, really "ACT") all scared because when he acts scared, the people are supposed to give in and stop pressuring him. A trainer figured it out for me. I remember seeing him repeating his responses (when he was pushed to work through) and then throw a hissy fit when we didn't do what we were supposed to. He's spoiled.
He is also the EASIEST horse to train because of that smartness and personality he has ... now that I have his quirks figured out. He remembers everything I show him and catches on so quickly that I have to be on my toes because if I let him get away with something more than once, I have to spend weeks trying to fix it. Or, I spend weeks thrilled at how easily he caught on to something new I showed him.
Every time I try to sell him, of course, I spend more time riding him and he shows me a glimpse of the incredible talent that he is just sitting on... I know what he could be worth in the right hands and I can't bear the thought of letting someone buy him and seeing him somewhere down the road with chains hanging all over his head and someone fighting with him and watching him blow up because he's the type who that could happen to him easily. I just feel responsible for seeing that he ends up with the right fit of an owner. I can't just sell him to anyone. As much as I curse him. | |
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| Sell her. Dont spend money on something you cant enjoy. She might do better with a new owner. I had a gelding that i did not like. Had him for a few years and finally sold him. He loved the new owner. | |
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I just read the headlines
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| Nita - 2017-06-29 12:26 AM
I have one that I literally HATE. I have never disliked an animal more. I am not a bleeding heart who believes animals are innocent and sweet and respond to kindness always and blah, blah, blah.. seriously. Just like some people are just a-holes, there are some animals who are just a-holes and I own one of them.
Now, he is smart. And, once I figured that out, it's been easier to get along with him. But, this was the first time I'd seen an animal con people. He would act (no, really "ACT") all scared because when he acts scared, the people are supposed to give in and stop pressuring him. A trainer figured it out for me. I remember seeing him repeating his responses (when he was pushed to work through) and then throw a hissy fit when we didn't do what we were supposed to. He's spoiled.
He is also the EASIEST horse to train because of that smartness and personality he has ... now that I have his quirks figured out. He remembers everything I show him and catches on so quickly that I have to be on my toes because if I let him get away with something more than once, I have to spend weeks trying to fix it. Or, I spend weeks thrilled at how easily he caught on to something new I showed him.
Every time I try to sell him, of course, I spend more time riding him and he shows me a glimpse of the incredible talent that he is just sitting on... I know what he could be worth in the right hands and I can't bear the thought of letting someone buy him and seeing him somewhere down the road with chains hanging all over his head and someone fighting with him and watching him blow up because he's the type who that could happen to him easily. I just feel responsible for seeing that he ends up with the right fit of an owner. I can't just sell him to anyone. As much as I curse him.
Bless your heart, I know the same feeling. I have several horses who are ok to ride down the road, but not sound for anything else. So what do I do? I keep them. If people find out how they are bred or that they used to be owned by someone who runs barrels, it seems they usually put them on the barrels again and then try to sell them for more than they paid for the horse. I can't stand to see that. So I keep them. I would love to have a nice older barrel horse to regain my confidence on and give a final forever home to but I don't have room in my pasture for another horse. So I wait.  | |
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| OregonBR - 2017-06-28 1:49 PM
Life is too short to waste it on a counterfeit POS. It's likely they will never "get it" they aren't meant to be a barrel horse. I had a mare that was wonderful to be around on the ground but on her back she was horrible. I called her the food stamp cause she sure didn't want a job. Just a free ride. After her I quit making excuses for all the failures. If they don't want to be a barrel horse, they might be really good at something else. But not at my place. They find a new zip code.
Could not agree more! | |
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| Nita - 2017-06-28 10:26 PM
I have one that I literally HATE. I have never disliked an animal more. I am not a bleeding heart who believes animals are innocent and sweet and respond to kindness always and blah, blah, blah.. seriously. Just like some people are just a-holes, there are some animals who are just a-holes and I own one of them.
Now, he is smart. And, once I figured that out, it's been easier to get along with him. But, this was the first time I'd seen an animal con people. He would act (no, really "ACT") all scared because when he acts scared, the people are supposed to give in and stop pressuring him. A trainer figured it out for me. I remember seeing him repeating his responses (when he was pushed to work through) and then throw a hissy fit when we didn't do what we were supposed to. He's spoiled.
He is also the EASIEST horse to train because of that smartness and personality he has ... now that I have his quirks figured out. He remembers everything I show him and catches on so quickly that I have to be on my toes because if I let him get away with something more than once, I have to spend weeks trying to fix it. Or, I spend weeks thrilled at how easily he caught on to something new I showed him.
Every time I try to sell him, of course, I spend more time riding him and he shows me a glimpse of the incredible talent that he is just sitting on... I know what he could be worth in the right hands and I can't bear the thought of letting someone buy him and seeing him somewhere down the road with chains hanging all over his head and someone fighting with him and watching him blow up because he's the type who that could happen to him easily. I just feel responsible for seeing that he ends up with the right fit of an owner. I can't just sell him to anyone. As much as I curse him.
I actually PERSONALLY saw an NFR quality horse, consistent high 16's on a standard pattern ACT and PRETEND to be crippled! He would be fine in pasture, fine if you wanted to go ride, etc. But if he saw the trailer already hooked up to leave, or when you unloaded out of the trailer at a rodeo, he would be GIMPY as crap!!! He has learned that Gimpy=I don't have to work and I will be pampered and treated like royalty because he was such a " Tough " horse to outrun. THe people went to a million vets, millions of dollars. Nothing wrong of course. THey paid over 100k for the horse and when he would run, he would limp out f the area and people felt sorry for him. THey sold him for 45k I do believe and the new owners had him vetted.. SOUND ( Of course) so first time he tried it, he got something a little new, and got his butt whooped. lol He mysteriously quit limping and won a LOTTTTTTTTTTT of money. | |
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Location: Cap'n Joan Rotgut.....alberta | I can honestly say no..i have managed to adjust to all the different horses i have had....and i have learnt from each one....1 i have now is probably the most challenging i have ever had but all the horses before her have prepared me for her bs....lol..m | |
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| My stallion Zan (in avatar). I hated him for the first 3 years after his training. He had -0- respect for me but was/is sensitive to correction. He permanently damaged my right shoulder trying to pull (leap, running leaps) away from me while travelling to Kansas. Finally he crossed all lines of decency and rammed the ladder I was on and using to try to trim his bridle path. All bets off. Come to Jesus meeting. And after that he became a better horse. Now he is my bonded partner, at 13 years old. He is the best. Perfect show stallion. But stallions are different and once you make the connection it's steadfast.
Now my young stallion is another story. I don't know that I have it in me to get past the testing part to the partner part. He's not as bad as Zan was, but he bit me bad last year (boob bite) and I now have confidence issues in handling him on the ground. Not a good playing field to be on with a stallion. I really believe he is a man's stallion. He has been golden for his two male trainers and both trainers just love/d him to pieces. He will probably find a new owner. | |
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Champ
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | lonely va barrelxr - 2017-06-29 3:06 PM
My stallion Zan (in avatar). Â I hated him for the first 3 years after his training. Â He had -0- respect for me but was/is sensitive to correction. Â He permanently damaged my right shoulder trying to pull (leap, running leaps) away from me while travelling to Kansas. Â Finally he crossed all lines of decency and rammed the ladder I was on and using to try to trim his bridle path. Â All bets off. Â Come to Jesus meeting. Â And after that he became a better horse. Â Now he is my bonded partner, at 13 years old. Â He is the best. Â Perfect show stallion. Â But stallions are different and once you make the connection it's steadfast.
Now my young stallion is another story. Â I don't know that I have it in me to get past the testing part to the partner part. Â He's not as bad as Zan was, but he bit me bad last year (boob bite) and I now have confidence issues in handling him on the ground. Â Not a good playing field to be on with a stallion. Â I really believe he is a man's stallion. Â He has been golden for his two male trainers and both trainers just love/d him to pieces. Â He will probably find a new owner. Â
He'd be a gelding so fast at my place. His head would spin.  | |
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Location: Southeast Louisiana | FLITASTIC - 2017-06-29 10:51 AM
Nita - 2017-06-28 10:26 PM
I have one that I literally HATE. I have never disliked an animal more. I am not a bleeding heart who believes animals are innocent and sweet and respond to kindness always and blah, blah, blah.. seriously. Just like some people are just a-holes, there are some animals who are just a-holes and I own one of them.
Now, he is smart. And, once I figured that out, it's been easier to get along with him. But, this was the first time I'd seen an animal con people. He would act (no, really "ACT") all scared because when he acts scared, the people are supposed to give in and stop pressuring him. A trainer figured it out for me. I remember seeing him repeating his responses (when he was pushed to work through) and then throw a hissy fit when we didn't do what we were supposed to. He's spoiled.
He is also the EASIEST horse to train because of that smartness and personality he has ... now that I have his quirks figured out. He remembers everything I show him and catches on so quickly that I have to be on my toes because if I let him get away with something more than once, I have to spend weeks trying to fix it. Or, I spend weeks thrilled at how easily he caught on to something new I showed him.
Every time I try to sell him, of course, I spend more time riding him and he shows me a glimpse of the incredible talent that he is just sitting on... I know what he could be worth in the right hands and I can't bear the thought of letting someone buy him and seeing him somewhere down the road with chains hanging all over his head and someone fighting with him and watching him blow up because he's the type who that could happen to him easily. I just feel responsible for seeing that he ends up with the right fit of an owner. I can't just sell him to anyone. As much as I curse him.
I actually PERSONALLY saw an NFR quality horse, consistent high 16's on a standard pattern ACT and PRETEND to be crippled! He would be fine in pasture, fine if you wanted to go ride, etc. But if he saw the trailer already hooked up to leave, or when you unloaded out of the trailer at a rodeo, he would be GIMPY as crap!!! He has learned that Gimpy=I don't have to work and I will be pampered and treated like royalty because he was such a " Tough " horse to outrun. THe people went to a million vets, millions of dollars. Nothing wrong of course. THey paid over 100k for the horse and when he would run, he would limp out f the area and people felt sorry for him. THey sold him for 45k I do believe and the new owners had him vetted.. SOUND ( Of course ) so first time he tried it, he got something a little new, and got his butt whooped. lol He mysteriously quit limping and won a LOTTTTTTTTTTT of money.
^^that's a good story.
This one is the same horse that sets back on the trailer. One of the last shows I took him to, he was setting back. I just went about my business and ignored him. Well, it was kind of a playday and a lot of people started to gather so they could help and offer advice. That was making it worse, so I started picking up so I could just go home. A lady walked toward him saying "easy boy" all sweet and he looked right at her, set back, stood up and turned his head and looked right back at her like he'd found his sucker and this is how he was going to get his way. It was obvious to me, because I know the horse. But, the lady got pretty insulted. I did kinda snap at her when I said "don't do that". But, I had to stop her before it reinforced his bad behavior.
I actually appreciate people's intentions to help and offer advice, but I was announcing to everyone to just ignore it and go about their business as normal, please. I'd never seen so many people gathering at once to help, lol. | |
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