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Location: Hill Country of TEXAS!! | Who rides in either and what made you decide that was what to choose for your horse?? What type of hack/sidepull do you use and like the best? I have a slew of them so more than likely have what I need :). |
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| My friend had a mare that kept putting her tongue over the bit. She tried all kinds of bits and ended up in a Jim Warner. The mare loves it. She still rides her in an snaffle but when she runs she put the hack on. |
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| Somebody had ridden my mare either in draw reins or a German martingale, so she thought the correct answer was to break at the third vertebrae and suck behind the bit. I hate that ****, so we went in a sidepull for a couple weeks until she figured out it really was okay to put her head down and lift her back. She's in a snaffle now, and although I'm not thrilled with the way she goes, I'm leaving her in it until we start running. I'm hoping she'll be automatic enough to steer off seat pressure, and I can just use the bridle for rudimentary brakes. She was always more forward in the sidepull, but refined steering wasn't there. It was very much "pull on her face and kick around the turn". |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | I have a head shaking mouth gaper that is way happier in a hackamore. The one I use on him has itty bitty shanks, a flat leather curb, and he prefers it high on his nose. He is super light and sensitive and this gives me plenty of control so far without being intimidiating or irritating to him. |
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Location: North Dakota | Started using a hack and sidepull on my mare because she likes to put her tongue over the bit and was never happy. I run her in a side pull and work her in a better hack. I do have Mullen mouth lifter she likes that I got.. I can't remember the name of it but it's too much bit for her to run in but I like to work her in it at home to mix it up so she doesn't get too strong in the hack. |
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Location: North Dakota | My horse chews on bits. He's very mouthy. Myler level 1 mouthpieces seem to be the only thing he doesn't actively try to destroy. And he doesn't do it while we're riding, he does it before and after, if we're standing somewhere for more than 2 seconds. He seems very content in a hack and listens well. I have a little s and a lunging cavesson with rings that allow me to use it as a side pull. |
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Location: Hill Country of TEXAS!! | Would a Bozo sidepull be first choice to try on a horse you need to literally touch his neck to stay out of his way and you have a muscle memory to "help" on the backside?? |
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Location: ND | The mare I run now fell and cut her tongue really bad so she has to be in a hack because of the scar. But really it was the best thing for her because she runs so good in a hack. I did run her in a little S but it didn't have quite enough lift so I have been running her in a Stiver hack and that has been really good. She is a really bendy horse so it helps keep her together. My filly actually was broke in a hack, they start all there colts out in a hack and then move them to a bit so really they can be good for any horse. :) |
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| My horse prefers a hack. He never rode bad in a bit, but I could never seem to get that soft and relaxed feel I was working toward. He always seemed tense and tight. He rode the same in a loose ring snaffle as he did in a mullen mouth piece,-fixed bit or gag,- short, medium or long shank - or a correction. Never bad - just never relaxed - and it translated to the barrel pattern. No mouth/teeth/tongue or pallet problems. I tried a hack on him one day trail riding, and as the day went on, he relaxed more and more. He is actually more supple and bendy because there is not that little resistance you always got with a bit.
Competition he seems to prefer the medium stivers with a rope noseband. Second choice would be the Jim warner long shank (he hates the short shank for some reason)
For riding around/tuning/training he LOVES a Clampett medium shank. I've never tried the bozo - so I cant give feedback on it.
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Location: Phoenix | Mine rides fine in a bit but you can tell he prefers the hack. He's not over analyzing every signal I may send him and it does relax him.
I had the Bozo for a little while....it's very similar to a riding with a halter.
I only have 1 hack and it's the Carl rope nose from L&W bits. It's more of a sidepull and somewhere between a little S and. Jim Sarner. It has lift and whoa if you need it. |
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Location: Wyoming | Kind of off topic but I am wondering what you do when a horse that runs in a hack is too straight in her turns? I've worked in other bits but she cannot run in them as they are too strong. Is there a hacaamore people would recommend for that? |
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Location: Hill Country of TEXAS!! | hoofs_N_bridles - 2017-08-10 1:08 PM Kind of off topic but I am wondering what you do when a horse that runs in a hack is too straight in her turns? I've worked in other bits but she cannot run in them as they are too strong. Is there a hacaamore people would recommend for that?
The JD hack by JD morrow is supposed to have some bend and shape i think. The Jim Warner rope nose gives flex. Theres a few that will give shape and using your inside foot to shape will help. I teach mine to shape more off my body and feet than my hands. |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | Dash4KJ - 2017-08-09 3:14 PM Would a Bozo sidepull be first choice to try on a horse you need to literally touch his neck to stay out of his way and you have a muscle memory to "help" on the backside??
If that's what you have, I would try it. I have a couple of handmade hacks that I like better, but you can't buy them anymore. |
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Location: Hill Country of TEXAS!! | Three 4 Luck - 2017-08-10 1:15 PM
Dash4KJ - 2017-08-09 3:14 PM Would a Bozo sidepull be first choice to try on a horse you need to literally touch his neck to stay out of his way and you have a muscle memory to "help" on the backside??
If that's what you have, I would try it. I have a couple of handmade hacks that I like better, but you can't buy them anymore.
I ordered a JD hack w the higher purchase after talking to Mr. Morrow. I worked him in the bozo and he was very much a happy camper. Wasn't pushing or pulling on me when i asked him to stop or rooting his nose when i made a cruise through. He was a lot more responsive and worked better today than ever and that's a tall order. I'll just see how to continues to go and make adjustments from there :) |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | Dash4KJ - 2017-08-10 3:21 PM Three 4 Luck - 2017-08-10 1:15 PM Dash4KJ - 2017-08-09 3:14 PM Would a Bozo sidepull be first choice to try on a horse you need to literally touch his neck to stay out of his way and you have a muscle memory to "help" on the backside?? If that's what you have, I would try it. I have a couple of handmade hacks that I like better, but you can't buy them anymore. I ordered a JD hack w the higher purchase after talking to Mr. Morrow. I worked him in the bozo and he was very much a happy camper. Wasn't pushing or pulling on me when i asked him to stop or rooting his nose when i made a cruise through. He was a lot more responsive and worked better today than ever and that's a tall order. I'll just see how to continues to go and make adjustments from there : )
Awesome! |
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