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| Also, she was completely sound until we pulled her shoes. Her shoes were only pulled because farrier recommended it to grow out nail holes. :( | |
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Location: NE Texas | dRowe - 2017-08-17 7:43 AM Also, she was completely sound until we pulled her shoes. Her shoes were only pulled because farrier recommended it to grow out nail holes. :(
This is normal for a horse to get tender after pulling shoes. It's like you wearing shoes on rocks, and then taking your shoes off. It's painful! The foot has to build up a thick calloused sole to protect itself once the shoes are pulled. With shoes on, this cannot happen. Get you some Rickens and paint her soles every day until she seems more comfortable. You can use soft rides or cloud boots as well, as the contact with the pad to sole/frog will encourage and expedite the process and provide some cushion in the meantime. If there is thrush present, get the Tomorrow medication and treat it daily for a week, then once a week therafter. You can do this when you paint the sole. | |
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| dRowe - 2017-08-17 7:43 AM
cheryl makofka - 2017-08-16 9:37 PM
I just talked with my vet about the term coffin bone coring and he said it is an old term but what he thinks the vet was seeing was decalcification in the coffin bone most likely from pedal osteitis possibly from a bone bruise. (He says the bone would look like swirls on the X-rays)
He said the horse may now be showing symptoms of bony changes in the coffin bone now that the remodelling of the coffin bone is done.
He suggests getting new X-rays and comparing to the originals.
I have 5 X-rays of each foot that were taken on March 7 and my vet said they looked good, so I don't think there are coffin bone issues. Last Friday, my vet checked her with hood testers and she only reacted at the side (I think bars? )
As someone just said above, one of her heels looks crushed to me (and I know nothing, so it has to be very obvious for me to pick it out on my own ). I had sent those pics to my farrier and here was that convo:
Farrier: What are you wanting to do with her?
Me: Get her feet nice so I can ride her. She isn't sound on hard ground. Is that an answer to your question??? I'm not sure if that's what you're asking.
Farrier: Sooooo.,... You're wanting a hoof transplant??!
I'm going to reach out to a different farrier today. Is it appropriate to ask for a consultation, or do you just hire one with excellent recommendations?
I'm just telling you what my vet said about coffin bone coring. There can be significant changes in the coffin bone from March to now.
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| I just recently had to find a new shoer because mine retired. So far I'm on my 2nd one. The first one was a really good shoer, new to the area, but didn't have the clientele so took a job driving cattle truck, and now isn't returning calls! On to shoer #2. I went and watched him do 3 of my friends horses and really liked him. So far so good, he's shoed 1 and trimmed 1. | |
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| It looks to me on the picture of her sole that you have a "bar smear" or laid over bars. Heels look long as well and the wall tells me she's very due for a trim.
Both of these things have made my barefoot horses tender. As we've gone barefoot we've also had to learn how to maintain a few things, like bares. One of our geldings got very tender between trims, turns out he had shed a lot of sole and this increased the pressure on his bars and they'd laid over. Trimmer showed me how to clean that up so if it happens again we can take care of it. Same thing can happen with shedding frog.
As far as touching the sole goes - it's important IMO to scrap off the shedding sole. You can tell by scraping at it with a hoof knife what is dead and what isn't, the dead stuff is very crumbly and comes out easily, you do not pare the sole like you would to shoe. You have to scrape out the dead sole to be able to see where the wall, bars, and heels need to come back to.
One of my old farriers never wanted to touch my little horses soles when he just trimmed him. Thus the poor thing had terribly long heels and contracted heels by the time I switched (bro in law, it's hard to fire family). There's a difference between what most carriers would call a "pasture trim" and a natural, balanced barefoot trimmer.
My trimmer always reminds me that on rocky or uneven surfaces there is a fine line between sore and cautious. The bare hoof feels everything - if you step on a lego block at 2am you don't keep putting weight down on that foot do you? No, you jerk the foot away (and cuss). Same thing for a horse, especially newly barefoot, stepping on a stone, they jerk the foot away. We take it as being sore, really they're just protecting themselves. | |
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| Well - I made a call to a new farrier. He generally shoes the dressage and show jumpers around here, but I'm going to give him a shot. He was recommended by my neighbors, and they literally spare no expense when it comes to their HIGH dollar horses. I'm hoping that he can help.
I never wanted my horse to go without shoes. I regret that I didn't do my own research and just trusted the farrier. The fact that I've expressed my concern to him and he's just shrugged it off tells me that it's time to move on.
I've painted her soles with turpentine for 2 days in a row - not sure if it's that, or she's just getting used to bare feet....but she is walking better now.
What a headache. ?? | |
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| dRowe - 2017-08-18 7:54 AM
Well - I made a call to a new farrier. He generally shoes the dressage and show jumpers around here, but I'm going to give him a shot. He was recommended by my neighbors, and they literally spare no expense when it comes to their HIGH dollar horses. I'm hoping that he can help.
I never wanted my horse to go without shoes. I regret that I didn't do my own research and just trusted the farrier. The fact that I've expressed my concern to him and he's just shrugged it off tells me that it's time to move on.
I've painted her soles with turpentine for 2 days in a row - not sure if it's that, or she's just getting used to bare feet....but she is walking better now.
What a headache. ??
If at all possible trim every 4 weeks, don't wait for 6 weeks. Even with shoes have them reset every 4 weeks. This will help the foot keep its angles, and prevent any more damage to the heels | |
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