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| Looking for ideas on a good feed to use for horses with mild tying up issues.......bought a new horse a month ago and she has tied up twice......low sugar/carb diet, so kind of baffled......ridden regularly, urine looks good, on electrolytes and vit E/selenium......currently feeding Total Equine. Any ideas or help would be greatly appreciated.....she is 6 and in shape......hasn't tied up after a run, but just easy loping circles etc. at home. Thanks for your time. |
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| I have heard you really want to watch the potassium content in anything they consume. I had a mare tie up, BAD, but only once and as it turns out she absolutely cannot have ANY OATS of ANY KIND. Previous owner never fed oats so they never knew either. Since then, zero issues. |
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Location: South Georgia | How is she bred? PSSM comes to mind if its not an HYPP issue. |
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Location: Illinois | Total Equine actually doesn't really have a low NSC value, so its not really "low carb" however it is low sugar. We have one with PSSM in my barn that had to be on the TE LNSC when we fed Total Equine. Now she gets ProForce Fuel, but maintains her body weight on 1 cup of grain 2x a day. Even though the feed is higher in sugars & starches, she eats 1 cup vs a full 3qt scoop of TE NSC so the total amount of starches and sugars is way less and the cost to feed her grain is about $30/month so it's easier on the wallet too ;). I'd suggest talking to your dealer about the LNSC line of the TE though, it should be the same price as the regular TE. Or find a feed that has a low NSC value, but high fat and then you can feed less to get the same results. I went from everyone eating 4-7lbs of the TE and now they eat 2lbs a day of the ProForce Fuel, so I'm feeding less and paying less. MVP also makes a supplement specifically designed for PSSM horses and horses that are prone to tying up. Its call In-Sync 4 and works really well. If you'd like more info on that PM me, I'm an Ambassador for MVP and can get you any info plus offer you an intro offer for it. I have a horse with cushings that I use it for and I've noticed good results with him since he's been on it |
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| granddaughter of Dash Ta Fame.......no hypp blood lines |
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| thank you so much for the information! I greatly appreciate it..... |
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | Has she been tested? You probably should get her tested at least for P1 so you know what kind of problem it is. P1 is a sugar/carb intolerance. The muscles can't process the sugar in the diet. P2 variants are more of a muscle wasting problem and need more/complete protein and don't have as many problems with sugar/starch. That again, depends on which one. There are P2, 3, 4 and x that they know of.
I would start with a test for P1 to rule it out. It costs the same as two bags of feed and then you know. There is a test for P2 variants being developed but it's getting some false positive results. Until it's been published and peer reviewed, I'm not going to spend the money to test. When it's done, it will be able to narrow down which, if any, P2 variants she might have. |
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Location: Muskogee, OK | For horses that are prone to tying up I have had good success with an all alfalfa diet.. NO grain. Depending on your alfalfa and the quality sometimes you have to supplement some minerals but for the most part I've had horses do very well on this and actually maintain condition or look even better than they did when on grain.
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Location: 31 lengths farms | there is a PSSM page on Facebook, a friend of mine that has a gelding that ties up has gotten some really good insights off of it. He started running about 5 tenths faster on a standard 2 months into some of the feed changes and ideas she got from that page and he hasn't had an episode in about 8 months or so. |
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Location: Southeastern Idaho | I have a mare that isn't PSSM but does tie up on occasion. We had her tested but 2 tests have come back negative. So I have tinkered with her feed and think I finally found the answer.
High protein hay, all she can eat (she is a hard keeper). Keep salt and loose mineral in front of her at all times. She really works a salt block over...more so than my other horses. And In-Sync 4 from MVP supplement. I can't say enough about that supplement. I have taken her off everything else and this one serving a day gives her all the magnesium and vitamin e she apparently needs. She does not get grass when its in high sugar stage...dry pasture turnout is best for her. We used her hard this year and not one episode.
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Location: Willows, CA | Renew Gold. Total starch contribution from a one pound feeding is only 54 grams. That and some alfalfa in the diet should help your issue. |
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | If the previous owners didn't have issues then you need to put her on the exact same thing they did |
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| Robin Herring had something on Facebook not long ago that she was feeding Equi Jewel by Kentucky Performance Products. Robin knows how to feed and she said this was working well for a futurity horse she had. |
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| Potassium and Magnesium works to prevent tying up or "Charlie horses"
very painful and you can damage their muscles if you make them walk
while having a seizure ... let them stand still in a safe zone..
Give them a dose of bute or aspirin twice a day for the next 2 days ..
I use powdered aspirin since it is good for inflammation, pain and
swelling in one med...
I have used both of these for years on broodmares, babies and hard working
horses and horses in barrel or race track training ... no more problems ..
just happy alert good feeling horses ..
Lactic acid builds up in muscles while working or eventing .... so the
secret is to prevent this from happening .. by having the right amount
of certain vitamins and minerals aiding each other so the horse can
absorb them into their body.
PELLETED with added yeast for digestion the base is GroStrong Minerals
https://service.admani.com/portal/page/portal/ADM_Alliance_Nutrition...
GRANULAR GROSTRONG MINERALS ...
I feed a handful in feed once per day for the first month and then
a handful every other day for maintenance ... along with free
choice in a small bucket in their stall .. (2-3 handfuls and wash bucket
out if it cakes up)
https://www.admanimalnutrition.com/webcenter/portal/ADMAnimalNutriti...
No other supplements needed .. and my feeding program is whole oats,
alfalfa, handful of cracked corn, good hay or pasture 24/7 ...
no problems just big healthy babies and grown horses ...
I feed one of these Stay or Gro Strong Minerals year around to everyone
of all ages!!
You can feed this with your chosen feed .. so start you a program with
one of these even if you use some other supplement .. then you can
drop the expensive supplement in 3 months and realize this is your
answer you are looking for .. like anything that is good .. you have to
get mineral and vitamins stabilized in their body muscles ..
GOOD LUCK
Edited by BARRELHORSE USA 2017-09-01 4:16 AM
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| Total Equine has extremely high NSC, get her off of that. That was what my newest horse was on when I bought him and I had issues with him almost immediately. Found out months later and many vet bills later that he has pssm type 2. I actually have 3 horses that have pssm type 2. All are kept on a high protein ration balancer (triple crown 30%). The one horse is potassium sensitive and can't have any alfalfa, other two are okay with a little alfalfa. |
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| My horse horse tyed up for the first time earlier this year. We put her on ReNew Gold and Rice Bran and vit E supplement from MVP. She gets soaked alfafla cubes and timothy hay. I called Win at ReNew Gold and he was very helpful. She has not had an episode since. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | You need to call Bluebonnet feeds are go to their website they have a feed for horses like yours.  |
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A Somebody to Everybody
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | CYA Ranch - 2017-08-31 10:14 PM If the previous owners didn't have issues then you need to put her on the exact same thing they did
This is what I would do put your horse back on the same feed program as the previous owners. |
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Location: California | Low carb/sugar, potassium level kept in check, magnesium, natural Vit E, and amino acids are key. |
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