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Location: mi | So my saddle seems to fit ok. Looks pretty balanced. Feels good when I run my hand under it. But once its on and he is moving it pops up in the back. What is causing?
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Location: South Georgia | Could there be too much rock in that tree? Or could your pad be a bit too thick, causing the saddle to sit too high on the back? |
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| A common reason the saddle pops up in the back is from having to wide of a gullet for the horse its sitting on. See if you can chim the front and see a difference. |
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| Try using a back cinch and get it snug. |
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Location: mi | I wondered about the rock in the tree. but it seems good when we are just standing there with nothing else on. and feels pretty good too. It is a Caldwell Rocket so has more rock the say the promax. As far as the gullet being to wide, I kind of thought the rocket should be about right. He is not a big horse (wide) but certainly not small either. He seems to me to be pretty average on his build. I do have a 5 star pad I will try next time to see if it helps at all. I know those tend to sit down and form to their back a bit more then the Classic Equine I had on in the picture.
As for a back cinch I do have one. He has just not graduated to that yet. He has been a bit of a challenge to get broke. :) but I didn't think you would want to rely on that to hold your saddle down in place when you are just walking around.......
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | Personally, I feel your saddle is too far forward by maybe a half inch. The photos make the saddle look like it is sitting on top of his shoulder instead of behind it. Maybe it is just the way he is standing?
I also feel the problem is from the pad under the saddle. If you'll notice the saddle and pad both are not even touching his back. If the pad is too thick it will make the saddle and bars too narrow for him and it won't touch his back at all or allow the bars to make contact with the back.
I would be interested to see a five star pad under the saddle. What width pad do you have by five star? 
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Location: mi | I was told Caldwells need to sit up on their shoulder. With my previous horse I sent pictures to Charon and she told me to move it up a couple inches from where I wanted to put it. So it is up there a ways. And yes the pad is popping too.
My 5 star I believe is a 3/4" .
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| Caldwells should sit on the shoulder. That is how they want them to sit. It has too much rock in the bars. A back cinch would help but even with that you will probably find it still pops up. |
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Location: mi | turnthree - 2017-09-21 11:06 AM Caldwells should sit on the shoulder. That is how they want them to sit. It has too much rock in the bars. A back cinch would help but even with that you will probably find it still pops up.
So I should probably start hunting for a Promax? |
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Location: North Dakota | I'm on the saddle hunt myself (hopefully finally found one!) but I too would have trouble with the back coming up. Usually, it is too much rock in the bars, if everything else seems to look good.
Yours isn't too bad by any means -- could try a thinner pad and a shim up front.
Or something you can find better!
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| ajs2002 - 2017-09-21 9:19 AM
turnthree - 2017-09-21 11:06 AM Caldwells should sit on the shoulder. That is how they want them to sit. It has too much rock in the bars. A back cinch would help but even with that you will probably find it still pops up.
So I should probably start hunting for a Promax?
You can try shimming as others have suggested but I just went through the same thing and what I found is that even with all that, it will still tip forward, specially when you are going into a barrel and your horse rates and gathers and all your weight is shifting forward.
I had a Caldwell TG and it appeared to fit fine and rode great. But as my horse got further along and started running harder it felt like I was being popped forward in my turns and after looking at some pictures that's exactly what was happening. My whole saddle was tipping.
Sadly it may be cheaper to replace the horse.... totally joking here...ha ha. |
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Location: mi | turnthree - 2017-09-21 12:33 PM ajs2002 - 2017-09-21 9:19 AM turnthree - 2017-09-21 11:06 AM Caldwells should sit on the shoulder. That is how they want them to sit. It has too much rock in the bars. A back cinch would help but even with that you will probably find it still pops up. So I should probably start hunting for a Promax? You can try shimming as others have suggested but I just went through the same thing and what I found is that even with all that, it will still tip forward, specially when you are going into a barrel and your horse rates and gathers and all your weight is shifting forward. I had a Caldwell TG and it appeared to fit fine and rode great. But as my horse got further along and started running harder it felt like I was being popped forward in my turns and after looking at some pictures that's exactly what was happening. My whole saddle was tipping. Sadly it may be cheaper to replace the horse.... totally joking here...ha ha.
I am sure it would be. Since he is just getting broke..... but since I can sell the Rocket and use that to get a different one, I guess the horse will stay.
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| Call and talk to Charon at Caldwell.
Also, have you tried either of their extreme cutback pads? I bought the 13" and it greatly improved the fit of my saddle, even sweat pattern with it and I have dry spots if I use anything else.
The videos on their website or facebook page on saddle fit and pad fit are really helpful. |
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Location: NE Pa-Gods Country | using a back cinch to keep a saddle from popping up in back is only going to hurt your horse in the long run...think of it this way, you already have it tight on the shoulders with the front cinch...if you pull it down tight with the back it is just putting additional pressure on the shoulders. it looks to me like the gullet is a bit wide and sits down low on the top of his withers. not a big enough gap in there to suit me. i would def shim at or right ...behind the withers to level it out first. that will tell you the story. i had to get a saddle with a 10 1/2" gullet to fit my mare...she has NO withers at all but lots of shoulder. my Caldwell Maxxed out 8" was just sitting on top of her and kept rolling...Charon kept telling me to pull it forward and i did...but that did not help...just made her shoulders sore and super cinchy
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