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Location: Ohio girl moved to PA | Ive had my boys on the OUTLAST for a month now, just finished our first bag and they love it. They are getting 1 cup morning and night top dressed on 2.5 pounds of Kalm n EZ and they get 1 cup before hauling. I've really seen a good difference in them. No nervous runny poo and they are happier at shows/rodeos. I paid $30 for a 40lb bag from a friend that works at agway and can get it cheaper but i normally see it in stores for $37-$40. Im pulling them off of it for now since they are on winter break and wont be doing anything but i plan to put them back on it when we start back up. |
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| I'm a week in on the Ultium Gastric care and my horses are really loving it to!! |
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| I've been using both since October and love the results I've seen. My horse was having bad gate issues. So I thought what the heck, I'll try it. I've tried so many other things, won't hurt. Ever since I have started using these two Purina items, my horse has gone in the gate with no issues. From big two day weekend races, to small little club races, he goes right in. I feed the Ultium Gastric every day, and 1 1/2 cups of the Outlast the night before a race and then then another 1 cup or so an hour before we run. The only way to know if this is really what's made the change is to stop using - but it's the only change I made so I'm not taking a chance. This is too easy of a fix. |
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Location: Middle TN | I happily moved both my horses to our own property from a boarding facility and within 2 months they both became hot headed and my main horse - 10 yr old gelding - is more of a fire breathing dragon and can't even take to a show and tie to the trailer and run my mare without him going off the charts nuts muss less run him:( I had him on Nutrena maintenance while I worked on house/barn that actually had 20% starch - yes my bad:/ I'm in the process of changing him to Purina Ultium - only been 4 days (cant find Gastric Care in these parts) Should I add the Outlast as well until I can find a store to order it for me? Also, what are your thoughts on stalling? I haven't been and have let them enjoy to lush green grass - that's probably bad too - but boy they sure do look good. I have tried all sorts of calming supplements to no avail. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. |
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| Yes, you should add the Outlast on top of the Ultium until you can start the Ultium Gastric. IMO - if you're not working them, I wouldn't feed the Ultium. With no regular workout the sugar is probably making them hot. Add the green grass and they're loaded with energy with no workout to release it. Purina has some great feeds without sugar if you need to give them something. And maybe consider putting them out to graze during the day and bringing them in off the grass at night. Again, just my opinion. Good luck!
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Location: North Dakota | FLITASTIC - 2017-12-12 11:05 AM
I'm a week in on the Ultium Gastric care and my horses are really loving it to!!
My horses have been on Ultium for a couple years now. What's the price difference between Ultium and Ultium gastric? Is it worth switching over completely? or just adding the outlast to the Ultium? |
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Location: Middle TN | Thanks for your opinion - gave me some ideas of how to hopefully calm the dragon.
Barn isn't fully ready but a dry lot is w/a run in shed. They are being worked a little 2 or 3 days a week now - depending on whether - but no not full on yet. Arena is ready though so that has helped a lot.
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| shakeit0410 - 2017-12-19 9:11 AM
FLITASTIC - 2017-12-12 11:05 AM
I'm a week in on the Ultium Gastric care and my horses are really loving it to!!
My horses have been on Ultium for a couple years now. What's the price difference between Ultium and Ultium gastric? Is it worth switching over completely? or just adding the outlast to the Ultium?
My feed store has both formulas at the same price! I switched completely so I only have to feed 1 thing.
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Location: North Dakota | FLITASTIC - 2017-12-19 2:45 PM
shakeit0410 - 2017-12-19 9:11 AM
FLITASTIC - 2017-12-12 11:05 AM
I'm a week in on the Ultium Gastric care and my horses are really loving it to!!
My horses have been on Ultium for a couple years now. What's the price difference between Ultium and Ultium gastric? Is it worth switching over completely? or just adding the outlast to the Ultium?
My feed store has both formulas at the same price! I switched completely so I only have to feed 1 thing.
Have you noticed any favorable changes in your horses other than the fact they like it? or is it more of a "for $0 extra its worth the try" |
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| shakeit0410 - 2017-12-19 1:18 PM
FLITASTIC - 2017-12-19 2:45 PM
shakeit0410 - 2017-12-19 9:11 AM
FLITASTIC - 2017-12-12 11:05 AM
I'm a week in on the Ultium Gastric care and my horses are really loving it to!!
My horses have been on Ultium for a couple years now. What's the price difference between Ultium and Ultium gastric? Is it worth switching over completely? or just adding the outlast to the Ultium?
My feed store has both formulas at the same price! I switched completely so I only have to feed 1 thing.
Have you noticed any favorable changes in your horses other than the fact they like it? or is it more of a "for $0 extra its worth the try"
I have! I have a very nervous but super hard working 1d mare. She has quit pacing and warms up much more calm. They say you have to feed 4 pounds of it at once to get the full dose of outlast. I never do that!! I feed 3 pounds a day split into 3 feedings and don’t supplement with additional outlast by itself. The gastric care is also lower in fat for my easier keepers. I have also noticed it won’t amp one up like ultium would. |
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Location: MO | I have never heard of the 4 pound rule. I have been told by Purina reps that a 1/2-1 pound am and pm, and then handfuls aboput half hour before you saddle to run. |
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Location: North Dakota | Shushi - 2017-12-22 10:20 AM
I have never heard of the 4 pound rule. I have been told by Purina reps that a 1/2-1 pound am and pm, and then handfuls aboput half hour before you saddle to run.Â
The 4# would be in reference to the Ultium feed with the Outlast supplement already in it. What the reps told you would be the Outlast on its own |
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| I have just started my horse on the Outlast supplement following his first ever showing me symptoms he had ulcers. He went off grain etc until after the vet gave him meds etc for ulcers. This was the only thing he would eat bc it made his stomach feel better. Now he is looking great and has even performed better at my first race back with him last weekend winning the 2D !
I chose to just feed the Outlast supplement after talking to my Purina Rep. she said that in order for my horse to get a full dose (200 grams) he weighs 1050lbs that he would need to be eating at least 4lbs of the Ultium Gastric Care grain per feeding.
Since my horse maintains on much less grain than that and i prefer to keep it that way I like just feeding the Outlast supplement instead.
He gets the supplement in the am and pm. And if I am competing he gets it about one hour out from my run.
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Location: Ohio | I have been feeding the Ultium Gastric Care for a few months and am happy with it. Can you top dress the Outlast on the gastric care? It is my uderstandin that the Gastric Care already has the Outlast formula in it? |
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| SawyerBrown - 2017-12-19 11:06 AM
Yes, you should add the Outlast on top of the Ultium until you can start the Ultium Gastric. IMO - if you're not working them, I wouldn't feed the Ultium. With no regular workout the sugar is probably making them hot. Add the green grass and they're loaded with energy with no workout to release it. Purina has some great feeds without sugar if you need to give them something. And maybe consider putting them out to graze during the day and bringing them in off the grass at night. Again, just my opinion. Good luck!
Ultium actually is pretty low NSC, so low starch and sugar - like 15%. I know it looks like it should be a sweet feed, but it’s not. We actually started feeding it to one we thought might have PSSM.
We feed it to our year round and back then off a bit when not in work just because they’d are all easy keepers, but we’ve noticed ours are much calmer and more focused then they were on a higher nsc diet.
As for the gastric care - we can’t justify the extra cost on 4 head that don’t have obvious gastric issues, but we do plan to use the Outlast over the hauling season as a precautionary. |
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| OhMax - 2017-12-24 5:33 AM
SawyerBrown - 2017-12-19 11:06 AM
Yes, you should add the Outlast on top of the Ultium until you can start the Ultium Gastric. IMO - if you're not working them, I wouldn't feed the Ultium. With no regular workout the sugar is probably making them hot. Add the green grass and they're loaded with energy with no workout to release it. Purina has some great feeds without sugar if you need to give them something. And maybe consider putting them out to graze during the day and bringing them in off the grass at night. Again, just my opinion. Good luck!
Ultium actually is pretty low NSC, so low starch and sugar - like 15%. I know it looks like it should be a sweet feed, but it’s not. We actually started feeding it to one we thought might have PSSM.
We feed it to our year round and back then off a bit when not in work just because they’d are all easy keepers, but we’ve noticed ours are much calmer and more focused then they were on a higher nsc diet.
As for the gastric care - we can’t justify the extra cost on 4 head that don’t have obvious gastric issues, but we do plan to use the Outlast over the hauling season as a precautionary.
That’s interesting it costs more. My feed store charges exact same price for regular and gastric care ultium. |
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| FLITASTIC - 2017-12-24 8:19 AM
OhMax - 2017-12-24 5:33 AM
SawyerBrown - 2017-12-19 11:06 AM
Yes, you should add the Outlast on top of the Ultium until you can start the Ultium Gastric. IMO - if you're not working them, I wouldn't feed the Ultium. With no regular workout the sugar is probably making them hot. Add the green grass and they're loaded with energy with no workout to release it. Purina has some great feeds without sugar if you need to give them something. And maybe consider putting them out to graze during the day and bringing them in off the grass at night. Again, just my opinion. Good luck!
Ultium actually is pretty low NSC, so low starch and sugar - like 15%. I know it looks like it should be a sweet feed, but it’s not. We actually started feeding it to one we thought might have PSSM.
We feed it to our year round and back then off a bit when not in work just because they’d are all easy keepers, but we’ve noticed ours are much calmer and more focused then they were on a higher nsc diet.
As for the gastric care - we can’t justify the extra cost on 4 head that don’t have obvious gastric issues, but we do plan to use the Outlast over the hauling season as a precautionary.
That’s interesting it costs more. My feed store charges exact same price for regular and gastric care ultium.
Ours was almost a $7/bag difference! $24 and change for the Ultium and $31 for the Gastric Care!
I haven’t sat down and done the math but I think we can just use the Outlast for the same or less money, especially since we only feed 2-3lbs/day of Ultium they’d be better off getting the Outlast separately anyway. |
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