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OregonBR Reg. Dec 2003	Posted 2018-02-06 4:09 PM Subject: RE: Stud fee paid in full. Stud dies. Live foal guarantee.
Champ Posts: 19623 Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm	quickdraw - 2018-02-05 5:09 PM I strongly advise anyone breeding a mare to contact the vet that collects that stallion and confirm semen quality. If they don't use a vet, either find a different stallion or ask to go look at semen under a microscope when they collect him. I know of multiple studs highly advertised that have semen quality problems and low odds of conception. The stud owners are collecting your $$$ and blame your mare or blame your vet. I think if your mare does not get in foal after multiple attempts, you should have the option for a refund of your stud fee (minus booking fee and collection fees). I'm talking about mares that have been cultured (clean), vaccinated, and have negative test results for herpes. Speaking from experience, it's not always the stallion that is at fault. It's unbelievable the number of "vets" that don't know sic'em from com'ere about breeding mares and they will take their clients money for months with no pregnancy. I had a customer ship semen 3 times in one season and the mare didn't conceive. Part of the problem was the vet would wait to order semen and the mare ovulated before they got it. That happened 2x. The mare was ovulating on Sunday. So I talked them into ordering it for Saturday delivery. The mare still didn't conceive. So the owner brought her to me. Where we assumed since she had a clean culture, she was clean. We tried breeding her one cycle. When she still didn't conceive we bred her and treated her 24 hours later in case she was dirty. Low and behold, she took and produced a nice filly the next year. It shouldn't happen but it does. So not knowing what the whole story is on this, there is no way to take one side over the other. My contract says if the mare doesn't conceive in the second year of the contract and the stallion either becomes infertile or dies the contract is complete. If it happens in the first year of the contract I would refund all but the booking fee and any money used to perform acts the customer needed from me. i.e. shipping. I've stressed over and over that people need to read and understand the contract. There are contracts out there being used by people that I don't like the terms of and I won't sign them. So I don't breed to that stud. Another experience I had was with a jerk that had no contract. He decided after one cover my mares where infertile and refused to breed them another cycle. There was nothing I could do about that. I had to eat the money I gave him. So you learn the lessons the universe tries to teach you and move on. Edited by OregonBR 2018-02-06 5:07 PM
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OregonBR Reg. Dec 2003	Posted 2018-02-06 4:17 PM Subject: RE: Stud fee paid in full. Stud dies. Live foal guarantee.
Champ Posts: 19623 Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm	quickdraw - 2018-02-06 7:02 AM 3 Cans, an ethical stud owner would not continue to breed a stud they know is passing down a disease but these days it is harder to find people with any ethics whatsoever. ***After turning down "substitute" stallions and a lot of discussion, the owner of the dead stallion slipped up and said they have frozen semen at a particular vet clinic. So if you are in this same situation, be sure and ask if they have any frozen semen before you settle for something you didn't want or pay for. This is absolutely false. HERDA and GBED are only a problem when both side are carriers and both sides give it to the embryo. If you understand genetics there's no reason a stallion or mare with either of these or both of them as heterozygous genes, not be bred.
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quickdraw Reg. Apr 2009	Posted 2018-02-06 5:17 PM Subject: RE: Stud fee paid in full. Stud dies. Live foal guarantee.
Boot Detective Posts: 1898	My mares are tested, cultured, and vaccinated BEFORE they are bred. I won't breed anything that I know will pass down a problem. WhiteBoy is right about the atty fees but it is the principal of the matter. What I can assure you is this: I may not get my money out of the owner, but I will get my money's worth x 10+. She will **** sure lose a lot more than I am. ;) I didn't pay for a Lexus to be given a Ford Escort that hasn't been proven to run. I have invested a lot of thought and experience into bloodlines and only want very specific bloodlines. If I owned a stud that died, I wouldn't rest until refunds were in the mail.
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