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| I just recently found out my horse is bleeding and need to start using lasix. The vet suggested 4cc 4hrs IM prior to run. My question for everyone is how do you plan your timing at races to when you give the shot? Do you pre enter or late enter? What if you have no idea how many are going to enter for the first draw? How much time before and after the 4 hrs would you still run? Do you use electrolytes? What brand? When and much do you use after your run?I am also starting him on Ipratropium and Budesonide with a Flexineb for IAD.Ugggg is this really all worth it. LolAny suggestions with your routine would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! |
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Gettin Jiggy Wit It
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| lol I feel your pain. Iam currently treating my horse with budesonide and ipratropium with my flexineb! He is a bleeder too with IAD. He doesn't get any hay either. Only alfalfa cubes. I always ask to be at the end of a draw or beginning if it's a small show. Easier to time Lasix. Most small producers work with Lasix horse in their draws. Bigger shows you can normally count on 40 to 50 horses and hour. I also like smart paks smart lyte electrolytes. It's pelleted and my horses eat it literally out of your hand. It's affordable to. It's has a similar analysis as KERs well researched electrolyte, race recovery. I feed it right after Lasix then for 2 more days after.
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| I give my Lasix IV instead of IM because it takes FAR less time to work then IM. Only takes about an hour to hour and a half IV. This will make it easier to give when you know when your up, or how many they are running an hour etc. and when the weather is hot you don’t have to take water away for 4 hours. My vet told me to give electrolytes the day BEFORE lasix use but NEVER on race day as electrolytes given without opportunity to drink dehydrates the horse even more. Once run is over and the horse drinks , then give them.
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| I've been feeding cubes for awhile now because a couple years ago a vet diagnosed him with RAO. I love KER products but the price on race recovery was a sticker shock. By the time you add up all the meds you are in it for $50 on top of race fees. He better get his but in gear .LolI had him scoped twice and there were no signs of bleeding until they did another BAL on him and noticed he had bleed. The new vet said he had more IAD than RAO. The big races seem to be easier to time especially if you can pre enter but I am having trouble with the small races that you have no idea how many are going to show up. Now I just have to get him over the gate issues and hopefully we can continue on. |
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  Witty Enough
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Location: CTX | I try to get the earlierst # at the smaller shows. That makes it easier to plan ahead. Also, I give it IV so it doesn't take so long to work (about 1-1.5hrs before a run), since I am in Tx I don't want him to be without water too long, specially in the hotter months.
And I only use electrolytes when it is hot. Mine drinks really good, so I am not worried about him dehydrating when it's not as hot. I use a paste that was made for endurance horses, and I give it after the run.
It takes a bit to get used to, but if you have a schedule worked out it really isn't so bad. |
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Location: USA | I gave mine IV about 2 hours out. I would have to plan. I liked the races that had a specific start time and no youth or senior before since you never knew how many were entered in those. I would pre-enter when available and always try to get an early number so I could guesstimate when to give lasix. My goal was to give it IV no earlier than 2 hours and no later than 3 hours. I would still give a little water, especially if it was hot and it was leaning more towards the 3 hour mark. It’ll take a little bit to figure out what works best for you but you’ll get there!! |
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 Shelter Dog Lover
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| While IV does work quicker, I give 4 cc 2 1/2 hours out IM because if there is a delay it is still in their system doing its job. I always try to pre enter and get a very early number so I have a good idea of my run time. I paste with an electrolyte after each use of lasix. I have not found any supplements or treatments that have stopped his bleeding, I have never used a nebulizer though. He is a mild bleeder, had up to a year off, properly legged back up and still bled. |
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| The thought of constantly giving an IV makes me cringe. Each time you invade that vein, you leave a little scar behind. I save those veins for things like banamine or when a vein is necessary.
At a big race, the timing is easy to figure out. If you’re later, go and time out how long the first few sections and drags take until you get a good time frame. At small races, you figure roughly 30-50 and hour. If they have numerous classes, time them out. Figure roughly 8-10 minutes for big drags.
It really isn’t that hard to do. |
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