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| My baby is so foot sore I'm about to flip out on someone.I felt a shorter stride got worried and vetted. Let the vet do whatever he wanted, $$$. He said angles were off and gave me shoeing instructions and xrays to shoe from. Called out shoer for special shoes. (I said a few times before all this I was concerned about the angles). Gave time off, re shod, Still sore! What would you do next?Everything is current on other vet care.
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| Usually you cannot fix a problem in one shoeing. I changed shorts last spring and he is just now getting the horse's feet the way he wants them. I get mine shod every 4 weeks. It is a slow process.
Might add--- my horse's heels were too short and bruised. This causes angles to be off
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Location: Claremore, OK | Agree with Streakysox, it’s usually not fixed in one shoeing.
1.your vet didn’t give you enough information. Was he off lateral/medial ? Negative palmar angle ? Not enough sole depth ?
2. If he Xrayed and have your shoer angles measured on the xray to correct you need to re xray right after the horse is shaped to make sure your shoer got the prescribed angles correct.
3. Horses usually aren’t acutely some from incorrect angles unless they’re building a sidebone or have been trimmed too short, leaving no sole. |
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| I am just so frustrated because the vet said he would be clear to ride now. But at 11 weeks of rest my horse is saying he is not ready. Nice weather, most talented animal I've ever had in my barn, I've followed all of my care instructions and I am sitting at home. Don't get me wrong he is better but still no where near ready.
My vet said maybe we should put him on adequen. It is just off palmer angles with no abnormal anything on the xrays. Suspensory got sore from the differnet angles but nothing strained or pulled. I don't want to mask something and cause a serious issue on a young horse.
After your responses maybe I am rushing things. We get our 2nd set of new shoes this week.
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Location: Claremore, OK | It is definitely true that if you reduce load on the DDF you automatically increase load suspensory (and vice verse). That’s why making a big change in angles is done gradually. If you try to do it all at once you can cause more problems.
It sounds like your vet may be grasping at straws by suggesting Adequan. I would get a second opinion from a good lameness vet.
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| My shoer, good friend, and next door neighbor retired and moved. What a huge loss! Since I live in such a small rural area a good shoer is hard to find! Got a referral for a new guy and on his first shoeing he made my mare out of balance lateral to medial. I was devastated as one bad shoeing can mess up everything! unfortunately, Since I'm working on more than this issue, i decided to just have the vet out for each shoeing. I know it's a pain in the butt, however it makes me feel better knowing there is no miscommunication between the two. |
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| Angles take time and consistency.
When we went to leaving ours barefoot it took almost a full year for their angles to fully change and match with the natural growth of the foot.
However if she’s unrideably sore I’d be suspect of something else. I’d get a second opinion and look into ultra sounding the tendons looking for tears. |
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | From the side, the “front” of the hoof wall is parallel to the “front” of the coffin bone, and,
In a properly-trimmed hoof, the bones of the lower limb line up; therefore,
If the angle of the “front” of the hoof wall matches the angle of the “front” of the pastern bones, the hoof must be properly trimmed.
http://enlightenedequine.com/2012/04/18/hoof-angles-part-3/
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | Yes a horse can be very sore from incorrect hoof angles. Why do you think there are so many horses getting coffin joint injections. Here are the other parts to the above article.
http://enlightenedequine.com/2012/07/31/half-a-trim/
http://enlightenedequine.com/2012/03/26/hoof-angles-part-1/
http://enlightenedequine.com/2012/04/08/hoof-angles-part-2/ |
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Location: Claremore, OK | That’s a really nice article but it’s just part of the puzzle. ** there’s a disclaimer in the body of the article that says the rules apply IF it’s a healthy foot. If the horse is lame it’s probably not a healthy foot.
Medial/lateral balance and sole depth weren’t even addressed. Usually when I have a foot sore horse (visibly sore) it’s due to sole depth ( lack of) or Medial/lateral balance.
You really can’t tell if and how the Op’s Horse’s angles have changed without another X-ray to see what the farrier changed.
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | Liana D - 2018-03-12 8:48 AM
That’s a really nice article but it’s just part of the puzzle. ** there’s a disclaimer in the body of the article that says the rules apply IF it’s a healthy foot. If the horse is lame it’s probably not a healthy foot.
Medial/lateral balance and sole depth weren’t even addressed. Usually when I have a foot sore horse (visibly sore) it’s due to sole depth ( lack of) or Medial/lateral balance.
You really can’t tell if and how the Op’s Horse’s angles have changed without another X-ray to see what the farrier changed.
The farrier has to see the xrays. But then the farrier has to do his job and try to make the horses feet match his pastern. If they have thin soles, there can be NO sole pressure by the shoe. Horses with thin soles usually can't go barefoot on hard ground either. Once the farrier has trimmed the horse, there needs to be another set of xrays to see if he did anything to correct the problem. If the horse has no foot to work with, there will be no improvement. In which case, the correction has to be made with artificial appliances. i.e. shoes, pads or something else. |
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Location: Texas | I have just been through some stuff with my horse. Go get another vet opinion. Then make sure your vet and your horse shoer talk on the phone. Make sure you get the x-rays to look at. A second opinion can make lots lots and lots of difference. Also, like they said when changing the angles you can't do it in one shoeing. Best of luck!
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| You can't change angles on anything past 3 months old without creating
joint and ligament problems for the rest of their lives ...
You have a conformation problem ...
TRIM AND SHOE THEM AS THEY STAND!
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I find it interesting to always find people on BHW without a lick of common sense.
A horse with a conformation defect cannot be changed after they have worn a
groove in their joint bones and the ligaments have grown thick and short on one
side and long and stretchy on the other side. ..
You should always pay attention
to the depth of your horses feet and how much frog has been trimmed how low
is the sole of his feet ... BOTH
should be flat and level with the rim of the hoof and not cupped inward like an
empty coconut shell..... The best reaction when you see your shoer pull out
his trimming knife is to shoot him in the foot and let him feel what he has just
done to your horse.
Getting xrays is fine to see if your horse has damaged their feet ... but having
a shoer to pretend to adjust the hoof walls from an up right xray while he tries to work
with the foot upside down to correct the problems he has created by the way
he has trimmed or shod your horse in the past.
And keep in mind the xray is going to show how the horse is presently trimmed
in relationship to the coffin bone and other internal parts and must be done
at ground level with the horse standing on the foot. The angle the xray is
taken is very important.... shot at various angles will make you think his
ankle bone is pushing out thru the sole of his foot ...
If you want to see the true inside of your horses hoof on an xray .. build your
vet 2 old wooden pallets with plywood on the standing surface and stand
your horse level on the pallets and have your vet shoot his xray from a direct
90* angle. The 6-7 inches in height will give your vet the room from the
ground to use his equipment correctly.
If you want to experience what your horse is going thru with sore feet, sore
joints, sore ligaments all over his body due to the "new" stance and movement
he is now having to contend with ...
Wear a boot on one of your feet and only a sock on the other foot for a week
and find out how much of your body this unbalanced "shoeing" has had
an affect on!! You will also be limpy and gimpy...
Have a good day and keep on paying vets and shoers for the problems they
have created.
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Location: Claremore, OK | BARRELHORSE USA - 2018-03-15 1:57 PM
You can't change angles on anything past 3 months old without creating
joint and ligament problems for the rest of their lives ...
You have a conformation problem ...
TRIM AND SHOE THEM AS THEY STAND!
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | BARRELHORSE USA - 2018-03-15 11:57 AM
You can't change angles on anything past 3 months old without creating
joint and ligament problems for the rest of their lives ...
You have a conformation problem ...
TRIM AND SHOE THEM AS THEY STAND!
If that's true then just don't trim at all and let them break off naturally. LOL |
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Location: Northern Ontario | Any pics? Could honestly be a bunch of things....angles could still be off, she could be muscle sore from.being off or from the angles changing, her coffin bone might not be angled right....your vet was very vague.... |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Hollywood Hic - 2018-03-11 2:49 PM I am just so frustrated because the vet said he would be clear to ride now. But at 11 weeks of rest my horse is saying he is not ready. Nice weather, most talented animal I've ever had in my barn, I've followed all of my care instructions and I am sitting at home. Don't get me wrong he is better but still no where near ready.
My vet said maybe we should put him on adequen. It is just off palmer angles with no abnormal anything on the xrays. Suspensory got sore from the differnet angles but nothing strained or pulled. I don't want to mask something and cause a serious issue on a young horse.
After your responses maybe I am rushing things. We get our 2nd set of new shoes this week.
My goodness your going to have to give this time, its going to take more then one reset to get this horse better its going to take at least 8 months .. Please dont rush it let and I hope that the farrier is not doing to much at one time.. |
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| Contracted heels can also cause soundness issues, not many vets or farriers know what this is. Contracted heels can also contribute to navicular syndrome.
Has anyone taken hoof testers to the horse to see where he is sore? Have they blocked him? If not find a different vet.
If so find out what block they used, this will tell you the area of foot affected.
If the toe is too long it could be laminitis caused by a long toe, vet should be able to see this on an X-ray.
There can be so many issues, posting pictures will help, there is a wealth of info on this forum. |
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| Just to make sure you see my present comments ...>>>
You can't change angles on anything past 3 months old without creating
joint and ligament problems for the rest of their lives ...
You have a conformation problem ...
TRIM AND SHOE THEM AS THEY STAND!
**************************************************************
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I find it interesting to always find people on BHW without a lick of common sense.
A horse with a conformation defect cannot be changed after they have worn a
groove in their joint bones and the ligaments have grown thick and short on one
side and long and stretchy on the other side. ..
You should always pay attention
to the depth of your horses feet and how much frog has been trimmed how low
is the sole of his feet ... BOTH
should be flat and level with the rim of the hoof and not cupped inward like an
empty coconut shell..... The best reaction when you see your shoer pull out
his trimming knife is to shoot him in the foot and let him feel what he has just
done to your horse.
Getting xrays is fine to see if your horse has damaged their feet ... but having
a shoer to pretend to adjust the hoof walls from an up right xray while he tries to work
with the foot upside down to correct the problems he has created by the way
he has trimmed or shod your horse in the past is not reality.
And keep in mind the xray is going to show how the horse is presently trimmed
in relationship to the coffin bone and other internal parts and must be done
at ground level with the horse standing on the foot. The angle the xray is
taken is very important.... shot at various angles will make you think his
ankle bone is pushing out thru the sole of his foot ...
If you want to see the true inside of your horses hoof on an xray .. build your
vet 2 old wooden pallets with plywood on the standing surface and stand
your horse level on the pallets and have your vet shoot his xray from a direct
90* angle. The 6-7 inches in height will give your vet the room from the
ground to use his equipment correctly.
If you want to experience what your horse is going thru with sore feet, sore
joints, sore ligaments all over his body due to the "new" stance and movement
he is now having to contend with ...
Wear a boot on one of your feet and only a sock on the other foot for a week
and find out how much of your body this unbalanced "shoeing" has had
an affect on!! You will also be limpy and gimpy...
Have a good day and keep on paying vets and shoers for the problems they
have created.
NOTE:
Whoops wanted to add this for the pretentious poster .. the best thing that
can happen to your babies and horses is to live on rocky, gravel AND pebble sandy
pastures which will chip and grind their hoof rims down exactly the right
amount and form what Natural horse shoers call a perfect hoof even with
a mustang roll around the edges. Over time rough ground will harden
your horses entire hoof structure and limit any unsoundness.
(Instead of your horses running on perfectly level ground and standing in mud
at their feeders, muddy dry lots and at the muddy barn door. )
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