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| I have been following the updates and it looks like we have been given a stay.
Here's my confusion. My 1 ton dually has a GVWR of 13,000 and my fairly small 3 horse LQ is 19,750. That puts me over the 26,001 limit and back to requiring a CDL, ELD, etc.
I know my setup is much smaller than most of the folks I rodeo with, so is everyone driving out of compliance??
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| it's actually interesting what gvw some trailers are rated for. My trailer gvw is 15,500. It is a small trailer compared to just about any living quarters. It is the narrower 7 foot what ever inches wide, 3 horse with an 6 foot short wall. My friend has an 8 foot wide, 3 horse with a 10 foot short wall and her trailer gvw at 15,000.. Now tell me how that is? She has twice or more the trailer than mine and the gvw is less!
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | WetSaddleBlankets - 2018-03-22 7:43 PM it's actually interesting what gvw some trailers are rated for. My trailer gvw is 15,500. It is a small trailer compared to just about any living quarters. It is the narrower 7 foot what ever inches wide, 3 horse with an 6 foot short wall. My friend has an 8 foot wide, 3 horse with a 10 foot short wall and her trailer gvw at 15,000.. Now tell me how that is? She has twice or more the trailer than mine and the gvw is less! Are the trailers steel or Aluminum? And I think it has alot to do with what models they are but I could be wrong. And what type of LQ's with holding tanks 
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| Mine is aluminum, and in comparison to most of my friend's lqs - it is small.
I was so relieved to hear about the CDL requirement being lifted - and now I'm frustrated again. |
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| Southtxponygirl - 2018-03-22 8:01 PM
WetSaddleBlankets - 2018-03-22 7:43 PM it's actually interesting what gvw some trailers are rated for. My trailer gvw is 15,500. It is a small trailer compared to just about any living quarters. It is the narrower 7 foot what ever inches wide, 3 horse with an 6 foot short wall. My friend has an 8 foot wide, 3 horse with a 10 foot short wall and her trailer gvw at 15,000.. Now tell me how that is? She has twice or more the trailer than mine and the gvw is less! Are the trailers steel or Aluminum? And I think it has alot to do with what models they are but I could be wrong. And what type of LQ's with holding tanks
Lol I don't mean to be sarcastic but I'm not an idiot! Aluminum of course lol. Mine is full aluminum body and frame.. Same as my friend's. |
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| I believe the majority of GVWR has to do with the axles. In the case of the 2 different sized but similar GVWR trailers they likely have the same weight rated axles under them. If you ran them over a scale there would likely be a somewhat significant empty weight difference. So basically the smaller trailer could carry more stuff before maxing out on weight. |
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| My dually is 11,400. My 4 horse 10’ lq Cimarron, which is an aluminum trailer, is 14k so I am under the 26,000 threshold- 7K axles. I was going to sell it, I did not like the lq layout and upgrade to 8K axles but found a leak and my insurance covered redoing the LQ so I decided to keep it and just change the LQ. This was right before the additional mandates became an issue and I am so glad I kept it.
My 20’ steel stock trailer is also at 14k.
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| OhMax - 2018-03-23 6:43 AM I believe the majority of GVWR has to do with the axles. In the case of the 2 different sized but similar GVWR trailers they likely have the same weight rated axles under them. If you ran them over a scale there would likely be a somewhat significant empty weight difference. So basically the smaller trailer could carry more stuff before maxing out on weight.
Yes, most have to do with the axles. My friends 3 horse bumper pull has 8k axles and it is rated at 16K-puts her over the threshold pulling it. |
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Location: Illinois | The last time I had checked into this, was a few years ago when we were all skating by claiming ignorance on these laws. Even back then if you hauled a big rig over the 26,000lbs to the local state park for a trail ride you needed a CDL. Had nothing to do with shows, or anything. Even driving from your driveway to the next driveway over qualified you for needing a CDL. From what I understand that is still the case no matter what you're pulling or where you're going. You just are exempt from the ELD mandate, but not the CDL requirement. I have a 3/4ton and a 3horse 8' LQ and I'm not even close to the limit. My trailer is super light, my old steel 3 horse bumper weighed more. I'd call your local DMV or go ahead and contact the DOT about it to get a definite answer about it if you want |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | WetSaddleBlankets - 2018-03-22 10:39 PM Southtxponygirl - 2018-03-22 8:01 PM WetSaddleBlankets - 2018-03-22 7:43 PM it's actually interesting what gvw some trailers are rated for. My trailer gvw is 15,500. It is a small trailer compared to just about any living quarters. It is the narrower 7 foot what ever inches wide, 3 horse with an 6 foot short wall. My friend has an 8 foot wide, 3 horse with a 10 foot short wall and her trailer gvw at 15,000.. Now tell me how that is? She has twice or more the trailer than mine and the gvw is less! Are the trailers steel or Aluminum? And I think it has alot to do with what models they are but I could be wrong. And what type of LQ's with holding tanks Lol I don't mean to be sarcastic but I'm not an idiot! Aluminum of course lol. Mine is full aluminum body and frame.. Same as my friend's.
I'm sorry didnt mean to offend you, just tons of different makes and models out there with so many upgrades on them and different axel weights, didnt know for sure if your's was a steel or Aluminum and didnt know what your friends was either. So sorry for offending you  |
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| Here is a copy of an email I received after asking the Iowa DOT. Not sure what other states are saying in conjunction, but it looks like if you are over the 26001, you really should have a CDL. The rest of the stuff doesn't necessarily apply.
Good morning, A CDL is required when the GVWR, or loaded weight, exceeds 26,000lns “and” the trailer has GVWR, or gross weight, over 10,000lbs. The thing to consider is that there have been no new Federal, or State, laws, rules, or regulations concerning the private, or recreational, transportation of horses. Also the ELD mandate did not make any changes to who does, or does not, require a log book. If you are transporting the horsed solely for recreational purposes then the commercial vehicle safety regulations do not apply. Motor Vehicle Enforcement Commercial Vehicle Information 6310 SE Convenience Ankeny IA 50021 515 237 3305 "Our family protecting yours" |
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Location: Not Where I Want to Be | RBH - 2018-03-22 9:11 PM Mine is aluminum, and in comparison to most of my friend's lqs - it is small. I was so relieved to hear about the CDL requirement being lifted - and now I'm frustrated again.
Never was the license requirment lifted or altered.
ELD was the only thing that was given a stay.
It's been 26001 for years, they just never cared about it. |
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Location: Where the buffalo roam | Nateracer - 2018-03-23 8:14 AM Here is a copy of an email I received after asking the Iowa DOT. Not sure what other states are saying in conjunction, but it looks like if you are over the 26001, you really should have a CDL. The rest of the stuff doesn't necessarily apply.
Good morning,
A CDL is required when the GVWR, or loaded weight, exceeds 26,000lns “and” the trailer has GVWR, or gross weight, over 10,000lbs.
The thing to consider is that there have been no new Federal, or State, laws, rules, or regulations concerning the private, or recreational, transportation of horses. Also the ELD mandate did not make any changes to who does, or does not, require a log book.
If you are transporting the horsed solely for recreational purposes then the commercial vehicle safety regulations do not apply.
Motor Vehicle Enforcement
Commercial Vehicle Information
6310 SE Convenience
Ankeny IA 50021
515 237 3305
"Our family protecting yours"
What she said! - if you are hauling privately for personal purposes the commercial laws have nothing to do with you. The Federal Transportation Secretary was to be contacting all State departments to put a stop to this. Unless you are using the rig to do your actual job (horse haulers, professional trainers, etc) the commercial laws do not apply to you regardless of if you bring home a $500 check. They clarified this several weeks ago. |
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Location: At the race track with Ah Dee Ohs | RBH - 2018-03-22 7:17 PM I have been following the updates and it looks like we have been given a stay. Here's my confusion. My 1 ton dually has a GVWR of 13,000 and my fairly small 3 horse LQ is 19,750. That puts me over the 26,001 limit and back to requiring a CDL, ELD, etc. I know my setup is much smaller than most of the folks I rodeo with, so is everyone driving out of compliance?? It just doesn't make sense to me that I'm still so GVWR high.
You don't need the ELD only the CDL since you are over the weight limit. And the ELD mandate has been suspended once again until Dec 2018 I believe is the new date. |
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| 1DSoon - 2018-03-23 12:04 PM
RBH - 2018-03-22 9:11 PM Mine is aluminum, and in comparison to most of my friend's lqs - it is small. I was so relieved to hear about the CDL requirement being lifted - and now I'm frustrated again.
Never was the license requirment lifted or altered.
ELD was the only thing that was given a stay.
It's been 26001 for years, they just never cared about it.
Oops! Correct, ELD mandate lifted. My frustration/confusion was with myself...I hadn't ever looked at my GVWRs and did the math. I had assumed that my 1 ton and 3 horse w/small lq would be well under the 26,001.
I was hoping I was figuring it out wrong - GVWR+GVWR |
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Location: At the race track with Ah Dee Ohs | Nateracer - 2018-03-23 9:14 AM Here is a copy of an email I received after asking the Iowa DOT. Not sure what other states are saying in conjunction, but it looks like if you are over the 26001, you really should have a CDL. The rest of the stuff doesn't necessarily apply.
Good morning,
A CDL is required when the GVWR, or loaded weight, exceeds 26,000lns “and” the trailer has GVWR, or gross weight, over 10,000lbs.
The thing to consider is that there have been no new Federal, or State, laws, rules, or regulations concerning the private, or recreational, transportation of horses. Also the ELD mandate did not make any changes to who does, or does not, require a log book.
If you are transporting the horsed solely for recreational purposes then the commercial vehicle safety regulations do not apply.
Motor Vehicle Enforcement
Commercial Vehicle Information
6310 SE Convenience
Ankeny IA 50021
515 237 3305
"Our family protecting yours"
What I was told by a CDL Enforcement officer was the 10,000 doesn't come into play. You are either under the 26,000 or over. Period. If over for right now you are required to have a CDL. |
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| Southtxponygirl - 2018-03-23 9:07 AM
WetSaddleBlankets - 2018-03-22 10:39 PM Southtxponygirl - 2018-03-22 8:01 PM WetSaddleBlankets - 2018-03-22 7:43 PM it's actually interesting what gvw some trailers are rated for. My trailer gvw is 15,500. It is a small trailer compared to just about any living quarters. It is the narrower 7 foot what ever inches wide, 3 horse with an 6 foot short wall. My friend has an 8 foot wide, 3 horse with a 10 foot short wall and her trailer gvw at 15,000.. Now tell me how that is? She has twice or more the trailer than mine and the gvw is less! Are the trailers steel or Aluminum? And I think it has alot to do with what models they are but I could be wrong. And what type of LQ's with holding tanks Lol I don't mean to be sarcastic but I'm not an idiot! Aluminum of course lol. Mine is full aluminum body and frame.. Same as my friend's.
lol it's ok I was laughing about it. But yeah it has to do with axel ratings. It's just funny they put a smaller rated axel in a bigger trailer! |
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Location: rabbit run | My trailer is a used, but custom made trailer and has a pretty fancy LQ. Solid wood, huge water tanks lots of "stuff" in it. The GVWR is 20300# and my pickup is 13025# First thing in the handbook states anything over 26000 requires a CDL. I'm at 33,325# so today I passed my test and have a CDL. I tested in an automatic, so I cannot drive a manual truck pulling my trailer, cannot pull a trailer with air brakes nor can I drive a full fledged tractor/trailer combo. I'm fine with that and next week I am getting a medical card because I plan to cross state lines and my DOT examiner said that would be a very good idea. He also said I do not need an ELD. I'm good to go and I'm glad.  |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | RVs are exempt federally and in my state so I’m skipping the cdl. |
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