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| ropenrun - 2018-04-17 10:53 AM
Dang...it's posts like this that make me want to in its each and everyone of you to come spend time with me as a producer, follow me around for a day, a week, a month, 2 months, 4 months etc leading up to events. You make it sound as tho producers are making a killing off of each of you! That haul in fee...might just be because the producer is charged a parking lot clean up/maintenance on top of arena rental. (Thanks to those who clean out the back of their horse trailers and leave it in the parking lot or that horse tied their all day that dug a hole to China in the ground.).
That admin/processing fee helps pay for office staff that try to politely take care of any issues you may have, accommodate you in any way possible, listen to every concern andbproblem you have, have your payout check to you as quickly as possible after the last run, has barely had time to take a bathroom break lest alone grab a bite to eat, is the 1st one there and the last to leave.
That facility contract I sign states I pay for the facility whether the event happens or is cancelled. So that outbreak of (insert current contagious disease here) that has shut down any equine events, in still responsible for paying for that facility plus I have already purchased the liability insurance policy in advance because 1) it is a requirement of facility rental and 2) no one wants to take responsibility for their own actions and are sue happy thus pushing
the cost up for everyone.
And let's not forget if I use the facility tractor/groomer that costs me $35 everytime it starts up times raking after every 5 (just a minor expense right!)
We pay our office help, barrel setters, tractor drivers, gate people, yada yada. We listen to nonstop concerns (complaints) all day long, we hear how you are all buckle and dined to death, we are criticized if we say one thing that can be perceived in a negative tone, or my favorite...when someone doesn't get what they want is "you do realize who I am don't you?" Um ya and everyone is treated the same no matter their status!
Comparing barrel races to team ropings is not even applicable. Team ropers don't care that their draw isn't posted at least a week in advance and 100 if them ask everyday "when will the draw be posted!"). They just want to rope. I've produced both. And the costs of producing a team roping all come out of that entry fee, they just do n't break it down like a barrel racing producer does. And for the
who have early entry, that is it, you either are entered by the entry deadline or you aren't entered.
I can only speak for my region of the country as that is how it's done here. I bare all the costs, take all the risks, deal with any complaints (which for me are few and far between) and when the last horse runs I still have many hours and a lot of paperwork ahead of me. If it were easy and we were getting rich producing, everyone would be doing it. But they aren't. So appreciate what you have, go to those you prefer to enter, stay away from those you don't and if you can't plan in advance, your problem should not become someone else's problem.
A late entry is kind of like an "after hours call". It costs you more.
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | WrapN3MN - 2018-04-17 1:07 PM Southtxponygirl - 2018-04-15 1:43 PM rodeomom3 - 2018-04-15 12:45 PM Southtxponygirl - 2018-04-15 12:33 PM runs4fun - 2018-04-15 12:24 PM I wonder if the producer would have gotten a refund on stall and facility rental they paid? If not, giving out refunds would have probably done it for them, too. Jus sayin’. As far as I know the producers dont set the fees on the stalls and shavings the facillity that they rent from sits the prices on stalls. Thats why if you do have to get a refund from the race because of a sick or hurt horse you lose your stall money.. I had to pull out of a race at the ANHA years ago because my hore got hurt after paying a early fee, I got a percentage of my money back from the producer but the stall fee was a separate fee..  LOL. It may not be the case for ALL producers, but I know facilities here charge roughly $50-$55 per stall to the producer, and then the producer charges contestants $65-75/stall. Same goes for electrical sites sold. If a producer says they are not making money on stalls, it might be because the facility takes 100% of the stall money and they have a lower facility rental fee? Who knows. . . could go either way I am sure.
I remember few of the producers would give you a break on stalls with a early entry so that you could save a little money which I thought was great.. I know its hard work for these producers so a late fee charge never bother me, it was my choice to enter early are entry at the race when I got there and pay a late fee, but most imes if it were a 3 day race I always pre entry and got a good break on stalls..If the producers are the ones that tack onto the stall fees cause the facillity is charging the producers a fee also for the stalls then I understand for the higher fees on stalls.. I would think the producers would be barely breaking even on the stalls. | |
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| ropenrun - 2018-04-17 12:53 PM
Dang...it's posts like this that make me want to in its each and everyone of you to come spend time with me as a producer, follow me around for a day, a week, a month, 2 months, 4 months etc leading up to events. You make it sound as tho producers are making a killing off of each of you! That haul in fee...might just be because the producer is charged a parking lot clean up/maintenance on top of arena rental. (Thanks to those who clean out the back of their horse trailers and leave it in the parking lot or that horse tied their all day that dug a hole to China in the ground.).
That admin/processing fee helps pay for office staff that try to politely take care of any issues you may have, accommodate you in any way possible, listen to every concern andbproblem you have, have your payout check to you as quickly as possible after the last run, has barely had time to take a bathroom break lest alone grab a bite to eat, is the 1st one there and the last to leave.
That facility contract I sign states I pay for the facility whether the event happens or is cancelled. So that outbreak of (insert current contagious disease here) that has shut down any equine events, in still responsible for paying for that facility plus I have already purchased the liability insurance policy in advance because 1) it is a requirement of facility rental and 2) no one wants to take responsibility for their own actions and are sue happy thus pushing
the cost up for everyone.
And let's not forget if I use the facility tractor/groomer that costs me $35 everytime it starts up times raking after every 5 (just a minor expense right!)
We pay our office help, barrel setters, tractor drivers, gate people, yada yada. We listen to nonstop concerns (complaints) all day long, we hear how you are all buckle and dined to death, we are criticized if we say one thing that can be perceived in a negative tone, or my favorite...when someone doesn't get what they want is "you do realize who I am don't you?" Um ya and everyone is treated the same no matter their status!
Comparing barrel races to team ropings is not even applicable. Team ropers don't care that their draw isn't posted at least a week in advance and 100 if them ask everyday "when will the draw be posted!"). They just want to rope. I've produced both. And the costs of producing a team roping all come out of that entry fee, they just do n't break it down like a barrel racing producer does. And for the
who have early entry, that is it, you either are entered by the entry deadline or you aren't entered.
I can only speak for my region of the country as that is how it's done here. I bare all the costs, take all the risks, deal with any complaints (which for me are few and far between) and when the last horse runs I still have many hours and a lot of paperwork ahead of me. If it were easy and we were getting rich producing, everyone would be doing it. But they aren't. So appreciate what you have, go to those you prefer to enter, stay away from those you don't and if you can't plan in advance, your problem should not become someone else's problem.
A late entry is kind of like an "after hours call". It costs you more.
I get it! I appreciate you producers!! I don't think you are making a killing, I know its a lot of work, and you guys put up with a lot of much sh** . I know because I have helped quite a bit at the races and I see what goes behind the scenes.
My post was only referring at the late fees, sorry, I still dislike them and I personally find them excessive mostly when you have to pay an office fee (which I know it's necessary). | |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | ropenrun - 2018-04-17 12:53 PM Dang...it's posts like this that make me want to in its each and everyone of you to come spend time with me as a producer, follow me around for a day, a week, a month, 2 months, 4 months etc leading up to events. You make it sound as tho producers are making a killing off of each of you! That haul in fee...might just be because the producer is charged a parking lot clean up/maintenance on top of arena rental. (Thanks to those who clean out the back of their horse trailers and leave it in the parking lot or that horse tied their all day that dug a hole to China in the ground.). That admin/processing fee helps pay for office staff that try to politely take care of any issues you may have, accommodate you in any way possible, listen to every concern andbproblem you have, have your payout check to you as quickly as possible after the last run, has barely had time to take a bathroom break lest alone grab a bite to eat, is the 1st one there and the last to leave. That facility contract I sign states I pay for the facility whether the event happens or is cancelled. So that outbreak of (insert current contagious disease here) that has shut down any equine events, in still responsible for paying for that facility plus I have already purchased the liability insurance policy in advance because 1) it is a requirement of facility rental and 2) no one wants to take responsibility for their own actions and are sue happy thus pushing the cost up for everyone. And let's not forget if I use the facility tractor/groomer that costs me $35 everytime it starts up times raking after every 5 (just a minor expense right!) We pay our office help, barrel setters, tractor drivers, gate people, yada yada. We listen to nonstop concerns (complaints) all day long, we hear how you are all buckle and dined to death, we are criticized if we say one thing that can be perceived in a negative tone, or my favorite...when someone doesn't get what they want is "you do realize who I am don't you?" Um ya and everyone is treated the same no matter their status! Comparing barrel races to team ropings is not even applicable. Team ropers don't care that their draw isn't posted at least a week in advance and 100 if them ask everyday "when will the draw be posted!"). They just want to rope. I've produced both. And the costs of producing a team roping all come out of that entry fee, they just do n't break it down like a barrel racing producer does. And for the who have early entry, that is it, you either are entered by the entry deadline or you aren't entered. I can only speak for my region of the country as that is how it's done here. I bare all the costs, take all the risks, deal with any complaints (which for me are few and far between) and when the last horse runs I still have many hours and a lot of paperwork ahead of me. If it were easy and we were getting rich producing, everyone would be doing it. But they aren't. So appreciate what you have, go to those you prefer to enter, stay away from those you don't and if you can't plan in advance, your problem should not become someone else's problem. A late entry is kind of like an "after hours call". It costs you more.
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | Junebug1 - 2018-04-13 11:03 AM I'm not a fan of late fees either, but I would rather pay them than lose the entire entry, because I wasn't able to make it, for some reason. Pre entered once for a larger race, something happened don't remember what, and wasn't able to go. Only got 70% back, so in that instance I would have been better off paying late fees. Of course if I want a certain draw and I'm pretty sure i can make it, ill pre enter. I do wait until the last minute tho!
I had that happen, broke my pelvis 10 days before an event, and got ZERO money back. I was out over $350 on that deal on top of my stupid high dr bills. They only accepted vet excuses, guess I should have lied instead of asking them to do the right thing. | |
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| ropenrun - 2018-04-17 12:53 PM
Dang...it's posts like this that make me want to in its each and everyone of you to come spend time with me as a producer, follow me around for a day, a week, a month, 2 months, 4 months etc leading up to events. You make it sound as tho producers are making a killing off of each of you! That haul in fee...might just be because the producer is charged a parking lot clean up/maintenance on top of arena rental. (Thanks to those who clean out the back of their horse trailers and leave it in the parking lot or that horse tied their all day that dug a hole to China in the ground.).
That admin/processing fee helps pay for office staff that try to politely take care of any issues you may have, accommodate you in any way possible, listen to every concern andbproblem you have, have your payout check to you as quickly as possible after the last run, has barely had time to take a bathroom break lest alone grab a bite to eat, is the 1st one there and the last to leave.
That facility contract I sign states I pay for the facility whether the event happens or is cancelled. So that outbreak of (insert current contagious disease here) that has shut down any equine events, in still responsible for paying for that facility plus I have already purchased the liability insurance policy in advance because 1) it is a requirement of facility rental and 2) no one wants to take responsibility for their own actions and are sue happy thus pushing
the cost up for everyone.
And let's not forget if I use the facility tractor/groomer that costs me $35 everytime it starts up times raking after every 5 (just a minor expense right!)
We pay our office help, barrel setters, tractor drivers, gate people, yada yada. We listen to nonstop concerns (complaints) all day long, we hear how you are all buckle and dined to death, we are criticized if we say one thing that can be perceived in a negative tone, or my favorite...when someone doesn't get what they want is "you do realize who I am don't you?" Um ya and everyone is treated the same no matter their status!
Comparing barrel races to team ropings is not even applicable. Team ropers don't care that their draw isn't posted at least a week in advance and 100 if them ask everyday "when will the draw be posted!"). They just want to rope. I've produced both. And the costs of producing a team roping all come out of that entry fee, they just do n't break it down like a barrel racing producer does. And for the
who have early entry, that is it, you either are entered by the entry deadline or you aren't entered.
I can only speak for my region of the country as that is how it's done here. I bare all the costs, take all the risks, deal with any complaints (which for me are few and far between) and when the last horse runs I still have many hours and a lot of paperwork ahead of me. If it were easy and we were getting rich producing, everyone would be doing it. But they aren't. So appreciate what you have, go to those you prefer to enter, stay away from those you don't and if you can't plan in advance, your problem should not become someone else's problem.
A late entry is kind of like an "after hours call". It costs you more.
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Location: In my own little world | Not giving people back at least a % of their money for notified vet releases, medical releases is not something I think is a smart thing to do but that is just me.
Someone asked why I do it? It is now my job. But don't think I'm making a killing off it because it doesn't work that way. Depending on the venue sometimes I make more money than other places. I do it because I produce events people want to come to. I do it because I like to promote our sport to up and comers, I do it because I love watching good horses run, I do it because it affords me to be able to enter other barrel races.
I do not tolerate disrespectful staff to the contestants. And if there is an issue there are right ways to go about a resolution. i guess for me, work is not all about the $$. There has to be a love for the job and satisfaction and gratification that comes with doing a good job. I guess that is why I was in education for so long. It def wasn't about the huge paycheck at the end of the month. I don't get rich doing this but I'm also not going to do it for nothing either. On a bigger race with preentries I don't think $15/day or $25 for the weekend is out of line. If it's a punkin rollin barrel race, there needs to be a good reason for late fees. | |
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Location: sunny california | runs4fun - 2018-04-15 10:24 AM I wonder if the producer would have gotten a refund on stall and facility rental they paid? If not, giving out refunds would have probably done it for them, too. Jus sayin’.
Just because I would rather pay a late fee then loose all my money to a facility that is under water and literally half the people can not get there does not make me a bad person. just sayin! i think the facility should have cancelled and gave the money back to the producer if they are flooded... giving up a free date would have been good PR on the facilities part. | |
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runs4fun - 2018-04-15 10:24 AM  I wonder if the producer would have gotten a refund on stall and facility rental they paid? If not, giving out refunds would have probably done it for them, too.  Jus sayin’.
Just because I would rather pay a late fee then loose all my money to a facility that is under water and literally half the people can not get there does not make me a bad person. just sayin! i think the facility should have cancelled and gave the money back to the producer if they are flooded... giving up a free date would have been good PR on the facilities part.
Normally, the contracts with facilities are a rain or shine contract. It’s always a trickle down thing...facility down to producer down to competitor. Everyone has a financial stake in it. Liking late fees...not liking late fees, or producers or associations etc...doesn’t make any of us a bad person. We all have to decide individually what’s going to work best for us. Barrel racing, in the grand scheme of life isn’t really the most important thing in life, although we (myself incluuded)sometimes make it seem so. ?? | |
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| kwanatha - 2018-04-17 6:52 PM
runs4fun - 2018-04-15 10:24 AM  I wonder if the producer would have gotten a refund on stall and facility rental they paid? If not, giving out refunds would have probably done it for them, too.  Jus sayin’.
Just because I would rather pay a late fee then loose all my money to a facility that is under water and literally half the people can not get there does not make me a bad person. just sayin! i think the facility should have cancelled and gave the money back to the producer if they are flooded... giving up a free date would have been good PR on the facilities part.
Normally, the contracts with facilities are a rain or shine contract. It’s always a trickle down thing...facility down to producer down to competitor. Everyone has a financial stake in it. Liking late fees...not liking late fees, or producers or associations etc...doesn’t make any of us a bad person. We all have to decide individually what’s going to work best for us. Barrel racing, in the grand scheme of life isn’t really the most important thing in life, although we (myself incluuded)sometimes make it seem so. ?? | |
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runs4fun - 2018-04-15 10:24 AM  I wonder if the producer would have gotten a refund on stall and facility rental they paid? If not, giving out refunds would have probably done it for them, too.  Jus sayin’.
Just because I would rather pay a late fee then loose all my money to a facility that is under water and literally half the people can not get there does not make me a bad person. just sayin! i think the facility should have cancelled and gave the money back to the producer if they are flooded... giving up a free date would have been good PR on the facilities part.
Normally, the contracts with facilities are a rain or shine contract. It’s always a trickle down thing...facility down to producer down to competitor. Everyone has a financial stake in it. Liking late fees...not liking late fees, or producers or associations etc...doesn’t make any of us a bad person. We all have to decide individually what’s going to work best for us. Barrel racing, in the grand scheme of life isn’t really the most important thing in life, although we (myself incluuded)sometimes make it seem so. ?? | |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Southtxponygirl - 2018-04-17 1:24 PM ropenrun - 2018-04-17 12:53 PM Dang...it's posts like this that make me want to in its each and everyone of you to come spend time with me as a producer, follow me around for a day, a week, a month, 2 months, 4 months etc leading up to events. You make it sound as tho producers are making a killing off of each of you! That haul in fee...might just be because the producer is charged a parking lot clean up/maintenance on top of arena rental. (Thanks to those who clean out the back of their horse trailers and leave it in the parking lot or that horse tied their all day that dug a hole to China in the ground.). That admin/processing fee helps pay for office staff that try to politely take care of any issues you may have, accommodate you in any way possible, listen to every concern andbproblem you have, have your payout check to you as quickly as possible after the last run, has barely had time to take a bathroom break lest alone grab a bite to eat, is the 1st one there and the last to leave. That facility contract I sign states I pay for the facility whether the event happens or is cancelled. So that outbreak of (insert current contagious disease here) that has shut down any equine events, in still responsible for paying for that facility plus I have already purchased the liability insurance policy in advance because 1) it is a requirement of facility rental and 2) no one wants to take responsibility for their own actions and are sue happy thus pushing the cost up for everyone. And let's not forget if I use the facility tractor/groomer that costs me $35 everytime it starts up times raking after every 5 (just a minor expense right!) We pay our office help, barrel setters, tractor drivers, gate people, yada yada. We listen to nonstop concerns (complaints) all day long, we hear how you are all buckle and dined to death, we are criticized if we say one thing that can be perceived in a negative tone, or my favorite...when someone doesn't get what they want is "you do realize who I am don't you?" Um ya and everyone is treated the same no matter their status! Comparing barrel races to team ropings is not even applicable. Team ropers don't care that their draw isn't posted at least a week in advance and 100 if them ask everyday "when will the draw be posted!"). They just want to rope. I've produced both. And the costs of producing a team roping all come out of that entry fee, they just do n't break it down like a barrel racing producer does. And for the who have early entry, that is it, you either are entered by the entry deadline or you aren't entered. I can only speak for my region of the country as that is how it's done here. I bare all the costs, take all the risks, deal with any complaints (which for me are few and far between) and when the last horse runs I still have many hours and a lot of paperwork ahead of me. If it were easy and we were getting rich producing, everyone would be doing it. But they aren't. So appreciate what you have, go to those you prefer to enter, stay away from those you don't and if you can't plan in advance, your problem should not become someone else's problem. A late entry is kind of like an "after hours call". It costs you more. Thank you for the races you do put on.. Where are these races held at that you put on? Are they here in Texas?
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Location: In my own little world | Southtxponygirl - 2018-04-18 9:17 AM
Southtxponygirl - 2018-04-17 1:24 PM ropenrun - 2018-04-17 12:53 PM Dang...it's posts like this that make me want to in its each and everyone of you to come spend time with me as a producer, follow me around for a day, a week, a month, 2 months, 4 months etc leading up to events. You make it sound as tho producers are making a killing off of each of you! That haul in fee...might just be because the producer is charged a parking lot clean up/maintenance on top of arena rental. (Thanks to those who clean out the back of their horse trailers and leave it in the parking lot or that horse tied their all day that dug a hole to China in the ground.). That admin/processing fee helps pay for office staff that try to politely take care of any issues you may have, accommodate you in any way possible, listen to every concern andbproblem you have, have your payout check to you as quickly as possible after the last run, has barely had time to take a bathroom break lest alone grab a bite to eat, is the 1st one there and the last to leave. That facility contract I sign states I pay for the facility whether the event happens or is cancelled. So that outbreak of (insert current contagious disease here) that has shut down any equine events, in still responsible for paying for that facility plus I have already purchased the liability insurance policy in advance because 1) it is a requirement of facility rental and 2) no one wants to take responsibility for their own actions and are sue happy thus pushing the cost up for everyone. And let's not forget if I use the facility tractor/groomer that costs me $35 everytime it starts up times raking after every 5 (just a minor expense right!) We pay our office help, barrel setters, tractor drivers, gate people, yada yada. We listen to nonstop concerns (complaints) all day long, we hear how you are all buckle and dined to death, we are criticized if we say one thing that can be perceived in a negative tone, or my favorite...when someone doesn't get what they want is "you do realize who I am don't you?" Um ya and everyone is treated the same no matter their status! Comparing barrel races to team ropings is not even applicable. Team ropers don't care that their draw isn't posted at least a week in advance and 100 if them ask everyday "when will the draw be posted!"). They just want to rope. I've produced both. And the costs of producing a team roping all come out of that entry fee, they just do n't break it down like a barrel racing producer does. And for the who have early entry, that is it, you either are entered by the entry deadline or you aren't entered. I can only speak for my region of the country as that is how it's done here. I bare all the costs, take all the risks, deal with any complaints (which for me are few and far between) and when the last horse runs I still have many hours and a lot of paperwork ahead of me. If it were easy and we were getting rich producing, everyone would be doing it. But they aren't. So appreciate what you have, go to those you prefer to enter, stay away from those you don't and if you can't plan in advance, your problem should not become someone else's problem. A late entry is kind of like an "after hours call". It costs you more. Thank you for the races you do put on.. Where are these races held at that you put on? Are they here in Texas? Â
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Location: 31 lengths farms | linds - 2018-04-14 12:58 PM
I don't mind them within reason. I've been burned both ways. I prefer to pre-enter since I run a bleeder. I only see them up here on weekend races, not 1 day events.
THANK YOU!!! I helped in the office at a race a few years back. Can not tell you how many people entered day of and then immediately wanted to know when the late draw would be posted because they had to give their horse Lasix and needed to know when to give it. Mic drop. And to be honest I do not have or have I ever had a bleeder (that I know of...) but I do have a horse that tends to require a very slow, very long warm up process, its just how he runs best. Knowing that I always pre-enter on him at races that offer that, the local stuff we just do our best to meet his requirements.
And personally,, I have no issues with paying a late fee if I didn't pre-enter. Now if the late fee is @25 bucks, it tends to make me make up my mind a whole lot sooner, LOL!!!
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| I haven't ever met a team roper that wants to know his draw number a week in advance, or that wants a program of all the pre-entries for the weekend to keep times on. Team ropers also don't care about accurate program information like breeding/breeders/owners. I wish barrel racers were more like team ropers (except for their parking skills), but they're not. They want accurate information, way in advance, and want the show to run smoothly the day of. Encouraging pre-entries though late fees goes a long ways to addressing that for big shows.
Producers can't do it all. Perfect ground, fast tractors, pre-draws, fast late draws, good added money, prizes, good announcers and accurate information all take time, money, and a lot of hard work.
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| FLITASTIC - 2018-04-17 1:16 PM
ropenrun - 2018-04-17 10:53 AM
Dang...it's posts like this that make me want to in its each and everyone of you to come spend time with me as a producer, follow me around for a day, a week, a month, 2 months, 4 months etc leading up to events. You make it sound as tho producers are making a killing off of each of you! That haul in fee...might just be because the producer is charged a parking lot clean up/maintenance on top of arena rental. (Thanks to those who clean out the back of their horse trailers and leave it in the parking lot or that horse tied their all day that dug a hole to China in the ground.).
That admin/processing fee helps pay for office staff that try to politely take care of any issues you may have, accommodate you in any way possible, listen to every concern andbproblem you have, have your payout check to you as quickly as possible after the last run, has barely had time to take a bathroom break lest alone grab a bite to eat, is the 1st one there and the last to leave.
That facility contract I sign states I pay for the facility whether the event happens or is cancelled. So that outbreak of (insert current contagious disease here) that has shut down any equine events, in still responsible for paying for that facility plus I have already purchased the liability insurance policy in advance because 1) it is a requirement of facility rental and 2) no one wants to take responsibility for their own actions and are sue happy thus pushing
the cost up for everyone.
And let's not forget if I use the facility tractor/groomer that costs me $35 everytime it starts up times raking after every 5 (just a minor expense right!)
We pay our office help, barrel setters, tractor drivers, gate people, yada yada. We listen to nonstop concerns (complaints) all day long, we hear how you are all buckle and dined to death, we are criticized if we say one thing that can be perceived in a negative tone, or my favorite...when someone doesn't get what they want is "you do realize who I am don't you?" Um ya and everyone is treated the same no matter their status!
Comparing barrel races to team ropings is not even applicable. Team ropers don't care that their draw isn't posted at least a week in advance and 100 if them ask everyday "when will the draw be posted!"). They just want to rope. I've produced both. And the costs of producing a team roping all come out of that entry fee, they just do n't break it down like a barrel racing producer does. And for the
who have early entry, that is it, you either are entered by the entry deadline or you aren't entered.
I can only speak for my region of the country as that is how it's done here. I bare all the costs, take all the risks, deal with any complaints (which for me are few and far between) and when the last horse runs I still have many hours and a lot of paperwork ahead of me. If it were easy and we were getting rich producing, everyone would be doing it. But they aren't. So appreciate what you have, go to those you prefer to enter, stay away from those you don't and if you can't plan in advance, your problem should not become someone else's problem.
A late entry is kind of like an "after hours call". It costs you more.
SO what motivates you to be a producer?
I am curious as well... what is the incentive then to be a producer? Just and honest question, not trying to be a smart a$$. As I keep saying, I DO APPRECIATE ALL OF YOUR PRODUCERS!!!! (I still hate late fees though) | |
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