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| I had my first lesson today with my trainer on my new horse, and we had a great time! It's so nice to be back in the saddle. His previous owner has only ridden him in an o-ring smooth mouth snaffle. He has never had another bit in his mouth. He did great today, but is a little heavy on the forehand, but is very light mouthed. He worked good in the snaffle, but it just wasn't quite right. In the downward transitions, he slightly pushes into the bit. I had his teeth done yesterday by a certified equine dentist. We did a lot of drills today working on getting him to use his hind end more, and he got much better, but I just think he needs something different than the snaffle. We are not working too much on barrels just yet, he has good bend, collects nice, just slightly pushes into the bit. I don't want to put a bit in that is too much for what he needs. He's definitely not a horse that needs a lot, or that needs more bend right now. He pushes into the bit slightly, it's not like he grabs onto it and falls on his face. Thank you! |
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 The Bling Princess
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Location: North Dakota | You could try a loomis or the Jim Edwards Leon bit. From there I like to move into a jointed port. |
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| WYOTurn-n-Burn - 2018-07-10 2:46 PM
You could try a loomis or the Jim Edwards Leon bit. From there I like to move into a jointed port.
Which one of the loomis? There's so many..medium port, cheek spoon bit, high port, swept back shank snaffle? |
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Location: my piece of paradise | Give him a few days being he just had his teeth done yesterday. His mouth is probably a little sore. What does your trainer suggest? I mean this in no way as a smart a$$, so please don't take it that way but if your going to a trainer that's what you are going for right? Just from experience it doesn't matter what bit you use its going to take riding and teaching them to get off the bit so heavy. That takes feel and saddle time. Just keep working at it. If I had to suggest a mouth piece I would say a short shank with gag 3 piece dog bone. It seems to lay in the mouth well and most horses really take to it. |
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The Bling Princess
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Location: North Dakota | emricmacy - 2018-07-10 2:49 PM WYOTurn-n-Burn - 2018-07-10 2:46 PM You could try a loomis or the Jim Edwards Leon bit. From there I like to move into a jointed port. Which one of the loomis? There's so many..medium port, cheek spoon bit, high port, swept back shank snaffle?
I personally like the twisted wire ones like this, but not all horses like them, so that's why I recommended the Jim Edwards. I really really like JE bits.
http://www.equibrand.com/Loomis-Gag-Bit-Browband-p318/
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| inittowinit - 2018-07-10 2:54 PM
Give him a few days being he just had his teeth done yesterday. His mouth is probably a little sore. What does your trainer suggest? I mean this in no way as a smart a$$, so please don't take it that way but if your going to a trainer that's what you are going for right? Just from experience it doesn't matter what bit you use its going to take riding and teaching them to get off the bit so heavy. That takes feel and saddle time. Just keep working at it. If I had to suggest a mouth piece I would say a short shank with gag 3 piece dog bone. It seems to lay in the mouth well and most horses really take to it.
She doesn't have a recommendation yet, as this is the first time she has seen him go. She said to keep him in the snaffle this week and we will go from there, but I wanted to come on here and get suggestions. Most of the lesson today we worked on engaging his hind end, and he really did good, I just don't think the snaffle is what he needs right now. I am NO bit expert, but I'm trying to learn 
I do have a 3 piece dog bone bit, but it's long shanked and I don't know if it's a gag? |
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 A Somebody to Everybody
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Its really hard to be recommending a bit without seeing how you ride and how the horse carrys its self since this is a young horse you just got. Since hes being ridden in a o ring I would want something that has a dog bone mouth piece with short shanks and a tad of a gag to it for a bump up bit.. What does your trainer recommend for this horse, I would be asking her since shes the one helping you with this horse and knows how your hands are and how you ride and the way your horse carrys itself. She should be the one to help you to find the right bit..
I like the bottom bit for something thats just coming out of a o ring since its got less gag action to it.
Edit to add, I have both of these bits and I like and used the top one on my older fellas since they were more advanced.
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A Somebody to Everybody
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | emricmacy - 2018-07-10 2:27 PM I had my first lesson today with my trainer on my new horse, and we had a great time! It's so nice to be back in the saddle. His previous owner has only ridden him in an o-ring smooth mouth snaffle. He has never had another bit in his mouth. He did great today, but is a little heavy on the forehand, but is very light mouthed. He worked good in the snaffle, but it just wasn't quite right. In the downward transitions, he slightly pushes into the bit. I had his teeth done yesterday by a certified equine dentist. We did a lot of drills today working on getting him to use his hind end more, and he got much better, but I just think he needs something different than the snaffle. We are not working too much on barrels just yet, he has good bend, collects nice, just slightly pushes into the bit. I don't want to put a bit in that is too much for what he needs. He's definitely not a horse that needs a lot, or that needs more bend right now. He pushes into the bit slightly, it's not like he grabs onto it and falls on his face. Thank you! Did this equine dentist recommend a fews days off since you just had teeth done? I always waited at least 3 days after I had teeth floated, just in case he/she got bumped while having teeth done.. But I know some ride right away, but I like giving time off just in case they get sore.. And depends how much work was done too.
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Location: Texas | Try a ring snaffle with a chain. They'll usually get back behind it. |
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| Fun2Run - 2018-07-10 4:19 PM
Try a ring snaffle with a chain. They'll usually get back behind it.
O ring snaffle but with a chain mouth? Is that what you mean? |
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A Barrel Of Monkeys
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Location: Texas | emricmacy - 2018-07-10 4:28 PM
Fun2Run - 2018-07-10 4:19 PM
Try a ring snaffle with a chain. They'll usually get back behind it.
O ring snaffle but with a chain mouth? Is that what you mean?
Yes. I think Reinsman makes one. |
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Location: mi | agree with southtxpony. we usually go from a ring snaffle to a Jr cow with the dog bone. either of the 2 she posted would fit that bill.
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A Somebody to Everybody
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Here a Molly Powell that I really like.
Edited to add: That this Molly Powell is called The Rookie.. you can find them at the TackStop, I buy most of my bits from her since shes got the best prices. 
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| maybe just an o-ring with a twisted wire mouth piece. Same mechanics as before just a little more incentive to not brace on it. |
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 The Worst Seller Ever
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Location: Oklahoma | I am going to play devil's advocate here.
You tried the horse in a snaffle, that is all he has been ridden in right? You liked him enough to buy him in it. I would not be jacking with his comfort zone until you all get some time together. If after a few weeks/month he still need something different then go to a draw or something with a gag. You will have to teach him how to handle a curb too.
The thing I dislike the most when selling is as soon as you sell, they change something and the horse stops working. Then you as the seller are at fault.
Don't get in a hurry to change things. Work the kinks out first with what he is comfortable in.
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A Somebody to Everybody
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | clover girl - 2018-07-11 11:16 AM I am going to play devil's advocate here.
You tried the horse in a snaffle, that is all he has been ridden in right? You liked him enough to buy him in it. I would not be jacking with his comfort zone until you all get some time together. If after a few weeks/month he still need something different then go to a draw or something with a gag. You will have to teach him how to handle a curb too.
The thing I dislike the most when selling is as soon as you sell, they change something and the horse stops working. Then you as the seller are at fault.
Don't get in a hurry to change things. Work the kinks out first with what he is comfortable in.
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