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Location: Running my kids somewhere. | Old Doc Bar cow lines. Mare ran from age 4 to age 28 and had 9 foals. She NEVER took a lame step, never injected. God I miss her! |
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Location: sunny california | I have a question for the owners of super sound horses. Did these horses run at the top of the 1 d at 600 plus shows? i had a super sound horse when i was a kid but she did not run at the very top, so one could argue that of course she was sound. |
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| kwanatha - 2018-08-22 5:40 PM
I have a question for the owners of super sound horses. Did these horses run at the top of the 1 d at 600 plus shows? i had a super sound horse when i was a kid but she did not run at the very top, so one could argue that of course she was sound.Â
Hotshot saw a vet every Monday.
Ask mama steinhoff.
The top trainers either are a vet or have one on call 24/7 |
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| cindyt - 2018-08-20 11:14 AM barrelracinbroke - 2018-03-23 1:42 PM IMO, higher odds of staying sound stems more from conformation than bloodlines. I can agree with this, but ad... I like the older bloodlines because of the confirmation. There are very few I like new school confirmation wise... (to each their own though ;) ) I think the older stuff has that bone and foot you can't beat!
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Location: Where I am happiest | Â Typically the Jet Of Honor horses stayed sound forever. They typically didn't make great futurity horses as they seemed to really come alive about 7 or 8 but by golly they made tuff as nails open and rodeo horses. As far as conformation goes obviously a balanced horse with correct leg conformation is going to get you alot further. To go with that bigger jointed horses will see far less soundness issues then fine boned small jointed horses. |
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| Confirmation makes a difference of course, but certain bloodlines stamp certain confirmation characteristics - otherwise we wouldn’t agonize for hours over choosing a stud to compliment a mare.
I like to keep older, sold working horse lines on or near papers - doc bar, Jackie bee, Bert, mr San peppy, colonel freckles are all on or close the papers on ours.
I think when horses started to be bred for very specific tasks we started to lose some of the soundness. Sometimes through confirmation but also something through breeding such specific desire and determination to run, turn, and work that they will put their own well being aside and work themselves into a hole. An acquaintance of mine had a cutting horse stud who crippled himself fairly young just working a cow into the ground, doing what he was bred to do and had an insatiable desire for.
The older solid athlete lines seem to have a sense of self preservation. |
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Location: New York | streakysox - 2018-08-21 3:55 PM
ausranch - 2018-08-21 12:17 PM
SO much goes into making a sound old horse. But it has to start with breeding. Personally, I really like some Easy Jet in a pedigree for soundness.
Easy Jet is pretty hard to beat.
Love Easy Jet!!
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First one is still running in the 1D and the second is retired sound |
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| I don't think our gelding with easy jet breeding (hes 26 or so and still works on the ranch) is any sounder than my modern breed horses he's just a tough SOB and he would hardly limp if his whole leg got cut off. |
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Location: Carpenter, WY | line bred Sugar Bars/Joe Reed II on top. Bottom is Fair Truckle, Nobbby (who had 40 starts) and Gill Cattle Co mares. 35 yrs old now and used hard in her heyday. Never lame, never sick, never supplemented and no maintenance issues at all. She's my very own Legend :)
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Location: Arkansas | teehaha - 2018-08-26 3:47 PM
line bred Sugar Bars/Joe Reed II on top. Bottom is Fair Truckle, Nobbby (who had 40 starts) and Gill Cattle Co mares. 35 yrs old now and used hard in her heyday.  Never lame, never sick, never supplemented and no maintenance issues at all. She's my very own Legend :)
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Location: Carpenter, WY | Chandler's Mom - 2018-08-26 7:45 PM teehaha - 2018-08-26 3:47 PM line bred Sugar Bars/Joe Reed II on top. Bottom is Fair Truckle, Nobbby (who had 40 starts) and Gill Cattle Co mares. 35 yrs old now and used hard in her heyday. Never lame, never sick, never supplemented and no maintenance issues at all. She's my very own Legend :) You haven't posted a picture of her lately, and we'd love to see her
 
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My Heart Be Happy
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Location: Arkansas | teehaha - 2018-08-28 9:47 AM
Chandler's Mom - 2018-08-26 7:45 PM teehaha - 2018-08-26 3:47 PM line bred Sugar Bars/Joe Reed II on top. Bottom is Fair Truckle, Nobbby (who had 40 starts) and Gill Cattle Co mares. 35 yrs old now and used hard in her heyday.  Never lame, never sick, never supplemented and no maintenance issues at all. She's my very own Legend :) You haven't posted a picture of her lately, and we'd love to see her
Seeing her makes me miss my Dan so very much. . . Been almost 5 weeks since he's been gone, but I know over his 39 years, he had a good life. She's a grand lady, and I hope you have her many more years in good health. |
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| Conformation is such a huge factor in soundness. Look for big feet, big bones, thick muscles, and correct conformation. Too many current bloodlines are so straight in their stifles and have very refined bone structure. Some of my fav horses and most sound horses were older bloodlines: Eternal Sun, Easy Jet, Jet Deck, On The Money Red, Azure Te, Country Quick Dash, Firewater Flit. All of these were rodeo winners/1D horses. The OTMR never had an injection, passed every lameness exam, and had flawless xrays at the age of 10. The Azure Te mare also never needed injections and ran well into her 20's still clocking. The Jet Decks have all had so much heart, they wouldn't "tell you" when they were sore. You had to figure it out.
The walking vet bills have been Dash Ta Fames. Every one has had stifle problems, etc. Yes they are super athletes but they have been so expensive to "maintain" I have sold them all and I won't look at another one nor breed to one. |
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| My fg is completely sound, my bjo never got sore running, I’ve had good luck with my Dtf too ????. I don’t work my horses a ton, I ride them out , they have excellent conformation, great bone. Lots of trail riding in hills. I bought the Dtf knowing they come with problems but so far so good. adequan and legend. Good shoers. Less is more. I think for me it’s not breeding but how and what you do and of course conformation is the most important |
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