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Location: Ft Worth TX | After talking with a previous owner- the horse never cribbed. He never cribbed with me. A week after arriving at his new home I get a phone call that said horse is cribbing with his chin (not his teeth) and that I need to “make it right.” At the time of sale an “as is” bill of sale was agreed to. They have had no other issues. How would you handle this?
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | Whoop Z Day Z - 2018-10-12 9:23 AM After talking with a previous owner- the horse never cribbed. He never cribbed with me. A week after arriving at his new home I get a phone call that said horse is cribbing with his chin (not his teeth) and that I need to “make it right.” At the time of sale an “as is” bill of sale was agreed to. They have had no other issues. How would you handle this?
This is a tough one.
If an as is bill of sale was agreed upon, I would get a statement from the previous owner and write a statement of your own and mail it to them explaining that an as is sale was agreed upon and that this horse with two previous owners never cribbed.
Keep copies for yourself in case they try and take to the keyboard.
If you feel like the horse is in a bad situation I would remove the horse and tell the next buyer he was never a cribber but for some strange reason these people turned him into one. If you feel like they are just trying to get a better deal out of you I would leave the horse.
Tough one tho. I guess it just depends on what you're willing to do for them. I don't think it would be wrong to do nothing except maybe send them a statement saying he was never a cribber.
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Location: Illinois | Mine started cribbing close to 10 years ago trying to relieve his stomach pain from ulcers caused by stress. I had moved him to a new barn and started switching grain over the same day. Took less than a week to become a full blown cribber and he's never stopped. I wonder if the same thing has happened in this case, especially if he didn't crib with you. If he was sold as is then I don't think I would make much effort to do anything with them, especially if he had no history of cribbing. Send them a statement that he never cribbed with you or the previous owner before you and leave it at that. Unless you would rather take the horse back, but I wouldn't give them all of their money back.
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| Tough one yes, but as is, means just that, as is. The extreme few horses I actually sell always leave with a signed as is statement. All of the horses I have ever bought come with the same thing. Maybe the new owner has a situation that caused this. Who knows |
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | FLITASTIC - 2018-10-12 10:33 AM Tough one yes, but as is, means just that, as is. The extreme few horses I actually sell always leave with a signed as is statement. All of the horses I have ever bought come with the same thing. Maybe the new owner has a situation that caused this. Who knows
I was also thinking stress induced from either being stalled or QTd by new owner.  |
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Location: Louisiana | My sis-in-law bought a horse that was told to not crib...he was so bad she either had to keep him in his own little hotwire turn out with metal t-posts..or keep a muzzle on him. He would crib through any collar on anything.
She had him a year before selling him...she disclosed that he cribbed horribly...doesn't crib with new owner. 
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Location: North Central Iowa Land of white frozen grass | People need to quit putting horses in box stalls. |
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Location: mi | I would reply very nicely that the sale was as is. But if they could please send you a video of what he is doing you will try to think of what might have changed to cause the change in behavior. Its 2018. there should be no reason they couldn't text you a video of him doing this odd way of cribbing in a matter of minutes. .... Just to be sure its valid verses a buyers remorse excuse. Then go from there.
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Location: Claremore, OK | If it’s true he’s never cribbed before, the move probably flaired up stime me ulcers. Put him on Ulcergard for a week and see what happens. |
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Miss Not Exciting
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Location: Ft Worth TX | I have been thinking of really how to be fair here. When he left my place- I told them he’s on an alfalfa diet, as is everything else here. They replied “great that’s all we feed.” After some snooping around, I find a picture dated the day after he arrived of him eating coastal ?????. So I strongly believe this could be a strong contributor to him cribbing. Havnt said anything on that topic yet. They are acting like him cribbing is the end of the world.
So. I did tell him he has NO HISTORY OF CRIBBING and sent screenshots from the former owner to back it up. We do really like the horse, he’s nice regardless of being a cribber or not ?????. So I explained he was sold “as is.” However if thy really want out from under him, I’d trade a green papered gelding for him back, that we don’t have time for. They have agreed to trade so HOPEFULLY this will all be resolved and have a good ending. I personally have nothing against a cribber. |
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Location: Claremore, OK | Whoop Z Day Z - 2018-10-13 10:57 AM
I have been thinking of really how to be fair here. When he left my place- I told them he’s on an alfalfa diet, as is everything else here. They replied “great that’s all we feed.” After some snooping around, I find a picture dated the day after he arrived of him eating coastal ?????. So I strongly believe this could be a strong contributor to him cribbing. Havnt said anything on that topic yet. They are acting like him cribbing is the end of the world.
So. I did tell him he has NO HISTORY OF CRIBBING and sent screenshots from the former owner to back it up. We do really like the horse, he’s nice regardless of being a cribber or not ?????. So I explained he was sold “as is.” However if thy really want out from under him, I’d trade a green papered gelding for him back, that we don’t have time for. They have agreed to trade so HOPEFULLY this will all be resolved and have a good ending. I personally have nothing against a cribber.
How long Did you own the horse ?
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | I was wondering how long did the pervious owners own him and was he on pasture, did they really mess with him alot? And how long did you have him befor you sold him? I know you do alot of horse trading so I was just wondering.
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | And another thing how can you sell a horse or any breathing animal as as is? Unless its know to the buyer the animal has a problem and has as is on a contract so the buyer cant come back later saying the animal is lame or cripple and want their money back. Just sounds strange to me, I have bought as is on a car/truck and furniture when theres a nick or dent but never on a horse, lol.. |
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Location: In The Snow, AZ | It’s easy to sell a horse as-is.... because that horse can hurt itself on the drive home, as soon as they’re turned out, with new horses on the property... and they can say you sold them a cripple or unsound horse. I’ve always sold horses with a bill of sale stating “as is” and keep a signed copy. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | ~BINGO~ - 2018-10-13 12:38 PM It’s easy to sell a horse as-is.... because that horse can hurt itself on the drive home, as soon as they’re turned out, with new horses on the property... and they can say you sold them a cripple or unsound horse. I’ve always sold horses with a bill of sale stating “as is” and keep a signed copy.
Aww OK, was just wondering, I have had horses all my life but never bought one as is, lol.. I knew a man that had a used car lot and was into buying horses out of sale yards and did alot of horse trading, he was know as a horse trader that did bad deals so you really had to watch what you buy from him and I have heard that he put as is on his horses that he sold as well as his used cars.. Just kinda sounds funny to me.. |
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Location: Ft Worth TX | Southtxponygirl - 2018-10-13 11:05 AM
I was wondering how long did the pervious owners own him and was he on pasture, did they really mess with him alot? And how long did you have him befor you sold him? I know you do alot of horse trading so I was just wondering.
We had him 3 months. Prior owner had him 8 months with the first 4 months at the trainer. This horse has been on pasture all the way from where he was raised.
It’s pretty standard in the horse industry to sell “as is.” Hard to make guarantees. I offer pre purchase exams and drug testing on everything I sell. |
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