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| I have a horse right now who doesn’t like curb pressure at all. A low purchase causes her to tuck her nose and a high purchase causes her to arch her neck and tuck her nose. She approaches a barrel really nice and starts to rate but the second you touch her at all she gets bunched up. Does anyone have a bit suggestion to help get rate and a horse to follow your hand, with minimal curb pressure? |
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Location: Hill Country of TEXAS!! | Simplicity with no curb and maybe chain mouth? Or a D or O ring in your choice of mouth to help get the rate you need. Draw bit could also be something to try |
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Location: Southeast Louisiana | I have seen people successfully using the goosetree bits without a curb. So, you might want to try that. I just switched my super-ratey mare to a side pull type hackamore with a braided nylon curb. I just felt like I had to get a bit out of her mouth (ex-reiner). She, too would tuck her nose... or, over-bend, with everything else I tried. I have tried to find it online, unsuccessfully. If you want, I'll ride by the tack store tomorrow and see if they have another one. I can send you pics. I wish I had video of her tucking her nose, but I have this one from today. You can still see, going to the first, that she's thinking about it... But, the new hackamore seems to have solved the problem and she just needs to make more runs in it.
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Location: SoCal | I have a mare that is similar. Gets kind of bunched up on the backside. If I keep my hand low and next to her neck, it seems to work better, but we still get a bit bound up. Works best with me in short reins, and really getting my hand down on the rein to avoid any pressure on the outside rein. I liked the Goostree Simplicity for her turns, she got a bit by the barrels the first time I ran in it, but I also usually don't use much gag (especially without a noseband), so I'm sure part of that was me. My biggest thing was she had no whoa and it felt like we would never stop. People actually started yelling because she wasn't shutting down, and this is a horse that usually drops it and slides to the fence. That kind of turned me off from them. Maybe needed to tighten up the curb a bit, but I felt it just didn't really suit my hands and style. It smoothed out her turns beautifully though, so if might be worth a try for you.
I've been running my mare in a bit that is a family heirloom lol Twisted mouth combo bit that has a long gag. I leave it really dropped in their mouth, and it seems to work best that way on my horses. The noseband is actually where the headstall connects, and then the bit connects to the noseband. I feel that with it low in the mouth, it gets their nose and mouth pretty evenly, and I leave curb loose. My horses don't tend to overreeact with it that way either. It fits my hands and I have whoa, so I'm happy. I can ride quiet and not make huge moves, and that tends to be what works best on this mare. It's actually very similar to the L&W 171, mine just is a longer shank with a slightly different curve and probably 45+ years old. We still get a little bound up when I forget how to ride or rush, but if I get my hands where they need to be and set her up, it's butter.
Side note, I've heard good things about using a leather curb on horses that a chain/string is too much for. Might be another option. |
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 A Somebody to Everybody
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Nita - 2018-10-13 8:59 PM I have seen people successfully using the goosetree bits without a curb. So, you might want to try that. I just switched my super-ratey mare to a side pull type hackamore with a braided nylon curb. I just felt like I had to get a bit out of her mouth (ex-reiner ). She, too would tuck her nose... or, over-bend, with everything else I tried. I have tried to find it online, unsuccessfully. If you want, I'll ride by the tack store tomorrow and see if they have another one. I can send you pics. I wish I had video of her tucking her nose, but I have this one from today. You can still see, going to the first, that she's thinking about it... But, the new hackamore seems to have solved the problem and she just needs to make more runs in it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4S9dzhMXkY
I was going to suggest a sidepull to the OP too. Are you running your horse in the sidepull in this video? |
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Location: Southeast Louisiana | Southtxponygirl - 2018-10-13 10:36 PM
Nita - 2018-10-13 8:59 PM I have seen people successfully using the goosetree bits without a curb. So, you might want to try that. I just switched my super-ratey mare to a side pull type hackamore with a braided nylon curb. I just felt like I had to get a bit out of her mouth (ex-reiner ). She, too would tuck her nose... or, over-bend, with everything else I tried. I have tried to find it online, unsuccessfully. If you want, I'll ride by the tack store tomorrow and see if they have another one. I can send you pics. I wish I had video of her tucking her nose, but I have this one from today. You can still see, going to the first, that she's thinking about it... But, the new hackamore seems to have solved the problem and she just needs to make more runs in it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4S9dzhMXkY
It’s more like a hackamore, it’s got a shank, but the description calls it a side pull hackamore. It’s very similar to the Bozo Sidepull hackamore, but with a thicker nose band. I also switched out the curb and put a very soft braided nylon one on it. I will try and post a pic later. |
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| I have a horse that I could not find a bit that she was happy with. I even custom ordered an expensive $200 bit from a maker just for her.....no better..... I attended a clinic with a well respected clinician and horsewoman. She got on the horse and within 30 seconds said she had a sensitive tongue. We put on a hackamore and haven't looked back. When my vet was out I told her this and she said the rise in the tongue was higher than most horses and she likely could not work a regular bit properly. I never thought about this.....Made a world of difference. We are both much happier now. Just something else to think about. We always think about the bits...the curb strap...sometimes it is not that at all.....just a thought for you to explore.... my mare went from a 4D to a 1D horse.. |
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A Somebody to Everybody
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Nita - 2018-10-14 6:25 AM Southtxponygirl - 2018-10-13 10:36 PM Nita - 2018-10-13 8:59 PM I have seen people successfully using the goosetree bits without a curb. So, you might want to try that. I just switched my super-ratey mare to a side pull type hackamore with a braided nylon curb. I just felt like I had to get a bit out of her mouth (ex-reiner ). She, too would tuck her nose... or, over-bend, with everything else I tried. I have tried to find it online, unsuccessfully. If you want, I'll ride by the tack store tomorrow and see if they have another one. I can send you pics. I wish I had video of her tucking her nose, but I have this one from today. You can still see, going to the first, that she's thinking about it... But, the new hackamore seems to have solved the problem and she just needs to make more runs in it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4S9dzhMXkY It’s more like a hackamore, it’s got a shank, but the description calls it a side pull hackamore. It’s very similar to the Bozo Sidepull hackamore, but with a thicker nose band. I also switched out the curb and put a very soft braided nylon one on it. I will try and post a pic later.
Is it a stop and turn or maybe a quick stop, I tryed to see what it was in your video but I could not really see it, I was thinking maybe a beetle or the Bozo.. |
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A Somebody to Everybody
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | sandygirl1 - 2018-10-14 8:48 AM I have a horse that I could not find a bit that she was happy with. I even custom ordered an expensive $200 bit from a maker just for her.....no better..... I attended a clinic with a well respected clinician and horsewoman. She got on the horse and within 30 seconds said she had a sensitive tongue. We put on a hackamore and haven't looked back. When my vet was out I told her this and she said the rise in the tongue was higher than most horses and she likely could not work a regular bit properly. I never thought about this.....Made a world of difference. We are both much happier now. Just something else to think about. We always think about the bits...the curb strap...sometimes it is not that at all.....just a thought for you to explore.... my mare went from a 4D to a 1D horse..
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Location: Southeast Louisiana | I'm trying to attach a photo (which I usually have trouble with, so bear with me)
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A Somebody to Everybody
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Nita - 2018-10-14 10:26 AM I'm trying to attach a photo (which I usually have trouble with, so bear with me) Yep pretty much the same as a Bozo, heres a picture of a Bozo sidepull.. Except the shanks curve back a tad more.
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A Somebody to Everybody
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | OP I would try a short shank Jim Warner hackamore and see how you're horse would work in it.
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Location: Southeast Louisiana | I have that one, too. The rope nose and chain curb are just too much for my mare. The one in the first pic has a much thicker noseband and it's a braided rawhide. It's a lot softer and a much different feel.
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A Somebody to Everybody
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Nita - 2018-10-14 12:04 PM I have that one, too. The rope nose and chain curb are just too much for my mare. The one in the first pic has a much thicker noseband and it's a braided rawhide. It's a lot softer and a much different feel.
I like yours better too, I like the thick nose band, its alot easier on the nose with the thicker nose band verse's the thin.. I have seen the ones like your's but cant remember where.. I like the flat chain nose piece on the Jim Warner, its alot easier on the horse then the thin rope they have on the others. I have to look and see where yours came be bought at. |
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Location: North Dakota | I have an extremely sensitive horse and I switched him to a Little S Hack and he is doing wonderful with it.
So maybe try bitless?
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Location: WYOMING | I started a finished reiner that was so like this. I ended up taking her off the pattern a few months so I could really TEACH her what I needed when I touched her face. I used a mullen mouth mouth pc that had a gag. Went in miles of straight lines and would touch her face and when she bunched up I would push her thru it and get ther to extend her trot (started at a trot and moved to a lpe when she understood at a trot). Only when she let me touch her without bunching did she get to rest. If she over gave at the vertical I would push my hands forward and high, lift her face/nose and continue this process until she gave the appropriate response.
Took a while and I joked about having to ruin my finished reiner so I could run barrels on her but she did learn what I needed when I asked her for something. |
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Location: Loco,Ok | That's a Chuck Fraiser. Good ones. Take the cub chain of and put a curb strap. Lot of horses can't take curb pressure. Try that
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| Have you tried different curbs, not just chain ones? Maybe a soft braided longer rope chin strap that you create would help? That way it's flat and soft. You could make it as wide as you wanted to keep the pressure spread out over her jaw.
I know sometimes getting different curbs on some bits is a pain because they are designed for chains. |
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