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Location: the land of dust & sticks | has anyone used oxypulmon for a Diagosed breathing issue such as allergic airway asthma or COPD and SEEN RESULTS? Thanks |
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| My Oxy dealer is a good friend of mine. There’s another gal we know well whose horse bled late last season and they’ve been controlling it with bleeder x and oxy pulmon...and something else, not lasix though.
It smells amazing. I’ve thought about using it next year to see if it helps our seasonal allergies. |
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| barrelchasinmonki - 2018-11-03 3:06 PM
has anyone used oxypulmon for a Diagosed breathing issue such as allergic airway asthma or COPD and SEEN RESULTS? Thanks
honestly no. Equine asthma is allergy induced. You need to find the allergen that's causing the reaction. Once you do the allergic reaction will stop... Just like any allergy, It's environmentally controlled. Supplements are a joke. If you don't control respiratory allergies it will cause damage and advance to copd. Most equine asthma horse allergies stem from hay, yes even good hay. I know because I have a gelding that can only have a barrel racing career if I pulled him off of hay. Some horses get by with hay being soaked but my horse's BALs kept coming back with inflammatory cells so I just pulled him off of hay and feed cubes. People don't realize the seriousness in respiratory allergies and the long term damage that can happened to the lungs of there is no environmental dust management.... |
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Location: the land of dust & sticks | WSB- I do understand the seriousness and will be doing everything I can environmentally, I have been wetting hay for a couple months now, however, I have been prescribed ventipulmin and that stuff is extremely expensive plus I don’t want my horse on that daily long term, so I was looking for a safer cheaper alternative that works. I was told a nebulizer should help too but right now my funds won’t allow that, but I’m hoping by next spring I can buy one and hopefully use it routinely and put the ventipulmin on the shelf for really bad days. |
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| barrelchasinmonki - 2018-11-04 10:31 AM WSB- I do understand the seriousness and will be doing everything I can environmentally, I have been wetting hay for a couple months now, however, I have been prescribed ventipulmin and that stuff is extremely expensive plus I don’t want my horse on that daily long term, so I was looking for a safer cheaper alternative that works. I was told a nebulizer should help too but right now my funds won’t allow that, but I’m hoping by next spring I can buy one and hopefully use it routinely and put the ventipulmin on the shelf for really bad days. if wetting hay was controlling the inflammation caused by allergies you shouldn't need to give anything else daily. Only ventipulmon when you run or are stalled.... But then again ventipulmon is a Bronchodilator and does nothing for inflammation... It just opens airways. If you have no inflammation you have no construction of the airways and won't need a Bronchodilator. Steroids like dex or human steroid mdi inhalers is what stop the inflammation. Bronchodilators like albuterol or ventipulmon open the airway to allow aerosol steroid meds get to the lungs better... Also stop constriction when they are having a hard time or breath better for a run. My gelding gets no supplements daily because like I said... They are a waste of money. I'd rather put my money towards affording hay cubes that actually stop the inflammation and damage. Before I run I nebulize a Bronchodilator and steroid. Also since ventipulmon is so expensive talk you your vet about human mdi albuterol inhalers... They are a ton cheaper. Also nebulizers only really benefit depending on what you put in them. I wouldn't waste my time nebulizing if I wasn't using actuall drugs.... And this is coming from someone who has a horse with a respiratory disease that I have to manage very strictly on order for him to have a career and spent a ton of money from several vets! Just my experience though... If more people got the right information from the vet about the importance of management supplements would not be even a thought. Are you seeing a good internal medicine vet? Regular routine vets in my opinion aren't specialized enough for the in and outs of respiratory disease.
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| Have you run an allergy panel with your vet? If not, start there. Eliminating the allergens all together, if that's possible (I know we can't always control things like trees, weeds and insects), may make it possible to not have to feed or administer anything. |
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| barrelracinbroke - 2018-11-04 10:54 AM
Have you run an allergy panel with your vet? If not, start there. Eliminating the allergens all together, if that's possible (I know we can't always control things like trees, weeds and insects), may make it possible to not have to feed or administer anything.
this is a complete waste too. There is no research proving this effectiveness for respiratory. Skin allergies there is some relief but for respiratory it does not work... Been there tried it. |
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| WetSaddleBlankets - 2018-11-04 8:56 AM barrelracinbroke - 2018-11-04 10:54 AM Have you run an allergy panel with your vet? If not, start there. Eliminating the allergens all together, if that's possible (I know we can't always control things like trees, weeds and insects), may make it possible to not have to feed or administer anything. this is a complete waste too. There is no research proving this effectiveness for respiratory. Skin allergies there is some relief but for respiratory it does not work... Been there tried it.
Well, that's your opinion. And I completely disagree with your opinion. I've actually brought a pro rodeo horse back from bleeding through 5cc's of lasix to running and winning again because I took steps that included allergy testing, changing her diet from what her allergens showed, and doing the allergy shots. And, after taking these steps, her BAL no longer showed inflammatory cells. So, that's enough "research" for me..... |
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| barrelracinbroke - 2018-11-04 12:42 PM
WetSaddleBlankets - 2018-11-04 8:56 AM barrelracinbroke - 2018-11-04 10:54 AM Have you run an allergy panel with your vet? If not, start there. Eliminating the allergens all together, if that's possible (I know we can't always control things like trees, weeds and insects), may make it possible to not have to feed or administer anything. this is a complete waste too. There is no research proving this effectiveness for respiratory. Skin allergies there is some relief but for respiratory it does not work... Been there tried it.
that is great your horse is back to himself. That is what we all pray for ... But you said you changed their diet. That is how you manage respiratory disease regardless of the testing. Mine said my horse was allergic to soy beans... Soy beans don't cause equine asthma, IAD or copd. Allergy shots did nothing for my horse and two good internal medicine vets confirmed they are not very effective for respiratory allergies just skin skin allergies. Taking him away from dusty environments and off hay is what saved him and my old COPD gelding. I have good hay too. My old COPD gelding was struggling with watering and even steaming hay. We were very close to putting him down because he lived on dex. Pulling hay saved his life. He gets no supplements, no dex or anything since he's been off hay. He's even trail rides with no issues... I haven't heard him cough in over a year. Same goes for my younger gelding that has a career now. |
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| WetSaddleBlankets - 2018-11-04 11:53 AM
barrelracinbroke - 2018-11-04 12:42 PM
WetSaddleBlankets - 2018-11-04 8:56 AM barrelracinbroke - 2018-11-04 10:54 AM Have you run an allergy panel with your vet? If not, start there. Eliminating the allergens all together, if that's possible (I know we can't always control things like trees, weeds and insects), may make it possible to not have to feed or administer anything. this is a complete waste too. There is no research proving this effectiveness for respiratory. Skin allergies there is some relief but for respiratory it does not work... Been there tried it. that is great your horse is back to himself. That is what we all pray for ... But you said you changed their diet. That is how you manage respiratory disease regardless of the testing. Mine said my horse was allergic to soy beans... Soy beans don't cause equine asthma, IAD or copd. Allergy shots did nothing for my horse and two good internal medicine vets confirmed they are not very effective for respiratory allergies just skin skin allergies. Taking him away from dusty environments and off hay is what saved him and my old COPD gelding. I have good hay too. My old COPD gelding was struggling with watering and even steaming hay. We were very close to putting him down because he lived on dex. Pulling hay saved his life. He gets no supplements, no dex or anything since he's been off hay. He's even trail rides with no issues... I haven't heard him cough in over a year. Same goes for my younger gelding that has a career now.
Yes I changed her diet, but those changes were strictly based upon the allergy panel testing results. Before I did the allergy panel, I followed the advice of a few people and simply put her on pellets and cubes. That didn’t help enough, I had to change her entire diet that included ingredients in the supplements and even any treats she may have gotten. Those changes were also based on her allergy panel results. This was actually close to 10 years ago. That mare is now a retired broodmare. But, I brought her back to running and winning when I thought she was going to have to retire much younger. And, because of the success I had with her, I continue to run allergy panels whenever I feel the need. I continue to base diets on those results as my vets have seen my own success and the success of others doing things this way. .
I’m happy to hear your horse is doing better. It’s definitely a struggle to solve some of the “puzzles” we can be thrown with these horses. |
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| I went through one gallon of Oxypulmon this summer, didn't notice a big change at all, it's more on the line of Air Power it just helps with a minor cough maybe, but not to treat actual respiratory issues, no way. I went to nebulizing |
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Location: God's country...aka TEXAS | The oxypulmon supports the respiratory system by increasing cell division and supporting the immune system. I would use that in addition to the Oxy O2.....it is a natural version on ventipulmon. It is cheaper also. This is what I use on my bleeder and horses with allergies. It DOES work, as there is much research behind these supplements, which were created by a vet. PM if you have questions. |
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Location: Southern Indiana | I highly suggest adding an Omega 3, like flaxseed to the diet. It greatly helps with the inflammation way better than any respiratory supplement.
I bought some oxypulmon this spring and never did use it much because its rather oily and messy to syringe. However, one of my horses choked on an alfalfa cube and it caused his throat to be irritated and he was coughing. So it was a perfect chance to try out the oxypulmin. I saw results in about a week! My biggest complaint is the packaging. It needs to come with a pump or some other way to easily measure. I put it in an old 30 oz supplement bottle that has the squeeze measure thing on it. I also wish it was in another oil base. Soy is high in omega 6. That being said it did work though!
I really like wind aid to use for performance. I get just as good results, if not better than ven. |
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