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NorwegienPower
Reg. Feb 2018
Posted 2019-03-04 3:29 PM
Subject: Thoughts on TB Pedigree



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Obviuosly I'm biased cause I own her but what do you think about her pedigree? And for funsies, what would you cross her with?

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Southtxponygirl
Reg. Nov 2006
Posted 2019-03-04 3:33 PM
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I know nothing about TB pedigrees but thought I would take a look anyway, and I still cant tell you anything, lol..But I can say Seattle Slew, Bold Ruler and Northern Dancer I did notice...



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madredepeanut
Reg. Aug 2017
Posted 2019-03-04 5:04 PM
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As far as TBs go, her sire didn't earn very much, but it looks like he was raced over in England before coming back to the US, so all of his earnings may not be available. Her dam was unraced, and doesn't have a high PE amount, but at least almost all of her foals won some money. I am a huge fan of the Seattle Slew line- we have a mare that is also a paternal granddaughter whose dam was unraced as well, and the dam's PE are pretty similar to your mare's dam. Has your mare ever had a foal, and if so, do they have any race earnings or are currently competing in a discipline? What would you be using the foal for? As far as marketability goes, if your mare hasn't done much or produced much, there isn't much except for the Seattle Slew in her pedigree that would attract many people, unfortunately (IMO- I'm not saying your mare isn't nice or valuable to you by any means, I'm just going off of paper. Seattle Slew is the biggest name closest up).

This is our "plan" for our mare: She has PE of almost $200k, has great conformation, fantastic to be around (passes on that great Seattle Slew mind) and is very well known in our area, so we are breeding her to a local son of JL Dash Ta Heaven (who is also very popular in our area), and have already had interest in the foal (even though the mare hasn't been bred yet). We would like to see how this foal turns out before deciding which stallion to breed her to next. Our goal is not to race the foal, but there is a lot of match racing in our area, and most of the mare's previous foals have gone from winning money on the track in TB races to winning money in match racing, so the marketability would be there, as well as with the barrels (that is where most of the interest has come from so far).

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NorwegienPower
Reg. Feb 2018
Posted 2019-03-04 5:32 PM
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madredepeanut - 2019-03-04 3:04 PM


As far as TBs go, her sire didn't earn very much, but it looks like he was raced over in England before coming back to the US, so all of his earnings may not be available. Her dam was unraced, and doesn't have a high PE amount, but at least almost all of her foals won some money. I am a huge fan of the Seattle Slew line- we have a mare that is also a paternal granddaughter whose dam was unraced as well, and the dam's PE are pretty similar to your mare's dam. Has your mare ever had a foal, and if so, do they have any race earnings or are currently competing in a discipline? What would you be using the foal for? As far as marketability goes, if your mare hasn't done much or produced much, there isn't much except for the Seattle Slew in her pedigree that would attract many people, unfortunately (IMO- I'm not saying your mare isn't nice or valuable to you by any means, I'm just going off of paper. Seattle Slew is the biggest name closest up).


This is our "plan" for our mare: She has PE of almost $200k, has great conformation, fantastic to be around (passes on that great Seattle Slew mind) and is very well known in our area, so we are breeding her to a local son of JL Dash Ta Heaven (who is also very popular in our area), and have already had interest in the foal (even though the mare hasn't been bred yet). We would like to see how this foal turns out before deciding which stallion to breed her to next. Our goal is not to race the foal, but there is a lot of match racing in our area, and most of the mare's previous foals have gone from winning money on the track in TB races to winning money in match racing, so the marketability would be there, as well as with the barrels (that is where most of the interest has come from so far).


Thank you for your response! She has had one foal and unfoartunatly the foal died as a baby, it ran into a wall full speed and never recovered. I would use the foal for overall gaming events and barrels. Also, some cow work such as penning and breakaway. I totally understand what you mean on marketability. She has not earned anyting really and the foal would be strictly within the family.  If only she had the Seattle Slew mind, to be totaly honest, she can be a total a** to be around

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madredepeanut
Reg. Aug 2017
Posted 2019-03-05 8:51 AM
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NorwegienPower - 2019-03-04 3:32 PM


madredepeanut - 2019-03-04 3:04 PM


As far as TBs go, her sire didn't earn very much, but it looks like he was raced over in England before coming back to the US, so all of his earnings may not be available. Her dam was unraced, and doesn't have a high PE amount, but at least almost all of her foals won some money. I am a huge fan of the Seattle Slew line- we have a mare that is also a paternal granddaughter whose dam was unraced as well, and the dam's PE are pretty similar to your mare's dam. Has your mare ever had a foal, and if so, do they have any race earnings or are currently competing in a discipline? What would you be using the foal for? As far as marketability goes, if your mare hasn't done much or produced much, there isn't much except for the Seattle Slew in her pedigree that would attract many people, unfortunately (IMO- I'm not saying your mare isn't nice or valuable to you by any means, I'm just going off of paper. Seattle Slew is the biggest name closest up).


This is our "plan" for our mare: She has PE of almost $200k, has great conformation, fantastic to be around (passes on that great Seattle Slew mind) and is very well known in our area, so we are breeding her to a local son of JL Dash Ta Heaven (who is also very popular in our area), and have already had interest in the foal (even though the mare hasn't been bred yet). We would like to see how this foal turns out before deciding which stallion to breed her to next. Our goal is not to race the foal, but there is a lot of match racing in our area, and most of the mare's previous foals have gone from winning money on the track in TB races to winning money in match racing, so the marketability would be there, as well as with the barrels (that is where most of the interest has come from so far).



Thank you for your response! She has had one foal and unfoartunatly the foal died as a baby, it ran into a wall full speed and never recovered. I would use the foal for overall gaming events and barrels. Also, some cow work such as penning and breakaway. I totally understand what you mean on marketability. She has not earned anyting really and the foal would be strictly within the family.  If only she had the Seattle Slew mind, to be totaly honest, she can be a total a** to be around


With her being an older mare and only having had one foal, you may have some troubles getting her in foal (and staying in foal), but if you have a good repro vet, they should be able to advise you on the best options for your mare. If you're wanting to do some cow work with the foal, I would recommend breeding her to a cowbred stallion. I have never had any problems breeding TBs to cowbred QH stallions (and in fact have won thousands on those crosses), but there are some folks that have seen issues. I would decide what cowhorse bloodlines you like, what would complement your mare the best (and what you would like the possibility of improving on), and go from there! Good luck and keep us posted!!

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Katielovestbs
Reg. Dec 2014
Posted 2019-03-05 10:59 AM
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Yay! Happy to hear of another TB owner around =] As stated above, her pedigree doesn't have much. The only standout name she has would be Seattle Slew, and his filles have a bad reputation of being nasty to handle. Your mare's highest beyer was a 78, which isn't very fast, and she never showed much speed under a mile. I only looked up some of her races, but her fractions where she could hold the lead were around 24 and change. Have you had her a long time? Do you currently ride her? How is she built? Are you wanting to breed for a foal for yourself? 

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NorwegienPower
Reg. Feb 2018
Posted 2019-03-05 11:24 AM
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Katielovestbs - 2019-03-05 8:59 AM


Yay! Happy to hear of another TB owner around =] As stated above, her pedigree doesn't have much. The only standout name she has would be Seattle Slew, and his filles have a bad reputation of being nasty to handle. Your mare's highest beyer was a 78, which isn't very fast, and she never showed much speed under a mile. I only looked up some of her races, but her fractions where she could hold the lead were around 24 and change. Have you had her a long time? Do you currently ride her? How is she built? Are you wanting to breed for a foal for yourself? 


Awesome! I was hoping you would respond. I have had her for a year now and I hvae known her for about 2 years. I am currently riding her. Let me see if I can attach a picture. She is built tall and lean, 16.2 hands and about 1200lbs. She is somewhat on the skinny side and was not taken care of before I got her. She has gained about 200lbs since I have moved barns 6 months ago.  Yes, the foal would be for my self. 

 

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P.S I apogize for the photos, they are the most recent and there are no real lights in the barn. 

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madredepeanut
Reg. Aug 2017
Posted 2019-03-05 11:31 AM
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Katielovestbs - 2019-03-05 8:59 AM


Yay! Happy to hear of another TB owner around =] As stated above, her pedigree doesn't have much. The only standout name she has would be Seattle Slew, and his filles have a bad reputation of being nasty to handle. Your mare's highest beyer was a 78, which isn't very fast, and she never showed much speed under a mile. I only looked up some of her races, but her fractions where she could hold the lead were around 24 and change. Have you had her a long time? Do you currently ride her? How is she built? Are you wanting to breed for a foal for yourself? 


I don't know if it's just my luck or what, but I have never met a cranky Seattle Slew bred mare and I've been around about a dozen or more of them (daughters and granddaughters

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Tilt The Kilt
Reg. Jan 2005
Posted 2019-03-05 11:31 AM
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Pretty standard older pedigree.  I'd consider her on her own merits (build) and get a stud (with speed) that has what you like and can fix or improve or build on anything you may see in her.  

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wyoming barrel racer
Reg. Apr 2006
Posted 2019-03-05 11:34 AM
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I want her!!!!!!  She is exactly what I want in a hunt seat broodmare. Right size, color and that Seattle Slew breeding

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Katielovestbs
Reg. Dec 2014
Posted 2019-03-05 11:37 AM
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Oh she is really cute!! I'm glad she has you to take care of her now =] Personally, I would breed her to something shorter and with a stocky build! Maybe a cutting stud? Especially if you are wanting something cowy and catty. 

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NorwegienPower
Reg. Feb 2018
Posted 2019-03-05 11:46 AM
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wyoming barrel racer - 2019-03-05 9:34 AM


I want her!!!!!!  She is exactly what I want in a hunt seat broodmare. Right size, color and that Seattle Slew breeding


Ahh thank you! I love her so much! I can just imagine her as a hunt seat broomare

 

"Oh she is really cute!! I'm glad she has you to take care of her now =] Personally, I would breed her to something shorter and with a stocky build! Maybe a cutting stud? Especially if you are wanting something cowy and catty. "

I definitly want something a little shorter and cowy!  What cutting line do you think would give that as well as maybe a good attuide

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wyoming barrel racer
Reg. Apr 2006
Posted 2019-03-05 11:53 AM
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wyoming barrel racer - 2019-03-05 9:34 AM


I want her!!!!!!  She is exactly what I want in a hunt seat broodmare. Right size, color and that Seattle Slew breeding



Ahh thank you! I love her so much! I can just imagine her as a hunt seat broomare


 


"Oh she is really cute!! I'm glad she has you to take care of her now =] Personally, I would breed her to something shorter and with a stocky build! Maybe a cutting stud? Especially if you are wanting something cowy and catty. "


I definitly want something a little shorter and cowy!  What cutting line do you think would give that as well as maybe a good attuide


Seattle Slew, even 3 or 4 generations back puts such a great mind on them and that super floaty trot. So if she were mine I would go to Theres No Telling, Full Medal Jacket, Won Last Stand lol. But noting that would make a barrel horse. 

I think for a barrel producer you could go a lot of ways. Shawne Bug Leo?

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Katielovestbs
Reg. Dec 2014
Posted 2019-03-05 11:57 AM
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My favorite cross on TB mares are the Hollywood Dun It stallions! (reining - imo they have the BEST mindsets). I also really like Peppy San Badger (cutting bred). There are so many you could choose from, depending on what you are wanting conformation wise and everything though  =]

 

Edited to add - the Hollywood Dun It line is my favorite QH for adding a good mind.



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NorwegienPower
Reg. Feb 2018
Posted 2019-03-05 12:11 PM
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She definitely has that floaty trot!! Come to washington to see it! I do like the barrel route but I also like the Hollywood dun it route. Hmm, so many choices! SBL seems also good.  



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Reg. Feb 2007
Posted 2019-03-05 12:56 PM
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We owned a OTTB mare that was a great grand daughter of Seattle Slew, her registered name was Ticket ToD Castle, we called her Slew Sea (like Lucy with an S).  We basically saved her from a hoarding/breeding operation.  She was pretty much an exact replica of Slew himself build wise. She was nasty on the ground, would walk over you and Lord don't get near her feeder if there was food in it (I think that came from the hoarding issue) Headshy, had to open her headstall and put it on like a halter. Only my then 70+ year old mom with dementia could put her fly mask on her.  She was an absolute dream to ride however.  We used her to gather cattle and my fiance who doesn't ride all that much used her a few times on the fall cattle drive, she was a caddilac with 4wheel drive  to ride.  We ended up selling her to a woman that was getting into lower level dressage.  

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