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SKM Reg. Dec 2003	Posted 2019-05-14 6:26 AM Subject: RE: The Derby
Saint Stacey	CHASIN CANS - 2019-05-14 12:41 AM Chandler's Mom - 2019-05-13 9:07 PM I read that they suspended MS's jockey today??? You are so right!! This is beginning to really stink like DC politics ... just keep dishing out distractions instead of dealing with the cause and effect that created the incident .. Keep in mind the chief steward is a political appointee and the other two mice are not going to blow any whistles and lose their jobs by disagreeing with the powers that be .... I'm sure each of us have been in situations that no matter what you said, evidence or witnesses or videos you produced you were ignored because the ruling authorities were not going to be challenged even after making the wrong decisions ... That video was dumb. I could just as easily argue all of their points using the same video. It was pure lawyer speak. Whenever there is a DQ, fines and/or suspension usually follow. This is nothing new. What is new is that social media allows every couch jockey with an opinion, even if this is the first race they’ve ever seen, to become an “expert” and throw said opinion out there.
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OregonBR Reg. Dec 2003	Posted 2019-05-14 10:25 AM Subject: RE: The Derby
Champ Posts: 19623 Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm	CHASIN CANS - 2019-05-13 4:30 PM LOUISVILLE COURIER JOURNAL ANALYZES 2019 KENTUCKY DERBY WITH NEW HEADON AND SIDE VIEWS AND SHOW PLAINLY MAXIMUM SECURITY WAS NOT AT FAULT ... THE TWO CULPRITS ARE WAR OF WILL RUNNING UP ON MS AND COUNTRY HOUSE CROWDING THE FIELD TO PUT EVERYONE IN JEOPARDY ... MEANWHILE MAXIMUM SECURITY MOVED OUT OF THE TROUBLE ZONE AND CONTINUED TO RACE FOR HOME .. VERY GOOD VIDEO AND ANALYSIS ... WITH CAPTIONS AND REWINDS AND EVEN TRACK ANNOUNCER RACE CALL IS SHOWN .. I have slow internet and my wifi cuts on and off so hoping you guys get a real good constant viewing of the entire race ... the good part is right before the 4th turn to run home .. This is what the lazy stewards should have taken the time to do rather than showing their favortisim for certain riders, owners and trainers .. https://www.courier-journal.com/videos/sports/horses/kentucky-derby/2019/05/10/kentucky-derby-2019-video-disputed-disqualification-luis-suez/1165620001/ LET'S TRY TO GET A LIVE LINK ... https://www.courier-journal.com/videos/sports/horses/kentucky-derby/... The horses have to stay in their own path or be clear of the horses behind before they change paths. If MS had stayed in this own path, nothing would have happened. He would have won and everyone would not be talking about this. The fact that he didn't is the problem. I'm not blaming anyone. **** happens. Horses do unexpected things. We should know that since we are horse people. Saying that anyone else but MS caused this is ludicris. I don't think the jockey was at fault. He did his best to straighten the horse out. But it happened and there have to be consequences or the next time it happens it might be on purpose. Riders have to do their utmost not to interfere with other horses or we'd have even more injured or dead horses and riders that we already do.
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vjls Reg. Mar 2005	Posted 2019-05-14 10:56 AM Subject: RE: The Derby
Miracle in the Making Posts: 4013	SKM - 2019-05-14 7:26 AM CHASIN CANS - 2019-05-14 12:41 AM Chandler's Mom - 2019-05-13 9:07 PM I read that they suspended MS's jockey today??? You are so right!! This is beginning to really stink like DC politics ... just keep dishing out distractions instead of dealing with the cause and effect that created the incident .. Keep in mind the chief steward is a political appointee and the other two mice are not going to blow any whistles and lose their jobs by disagreeing with the powers that be .... I'm sure each of us have been in situations that no matter what you said, evidence or witnesses or videos you produced you were ignored because the ruling authorities were not going to be challenged even after making the wrong decisions ... That video was dumb. I could just as easily argue all of their points using the same video. It was pure lawyer speak. Whenever there is a DQ, fines and/or suspension usually follow. This is nothing new. What is new is that social media allows every couch jockey with an opinion, even if this is the first race they’ve ever seen, to become an “expert” and throw said opinion out there. i was surprised they waited this long to suspend him. when i was dq i was immediately suspened . and racing secrataries and steward are god of the tracks you are subject to them. if its like it was back when i was on track
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CHASIN CANS Reg. Nov 2018	Posted 2019-05-14 1:06 PM Subject: RE: The Derby
Regular Posts: 86	Why is it so difficult for government appointed employees to recind a decision that was made in haste without a thorough look see of all the activity that was happening in a matter of seconds. It was shameful when the appointed chief steward made a 170 word declaration and then ran and hid and not seen again to answer questions and show their reasoning for such a blantant quick decision. It was made 22 minutes after the race finished which means they spent maybe 11 minutes viewing only 1 or 2 videos without looking at various angles of 10-15 others. I will go with the video that was researched and analyzed very thoroughly over the decision of 3 BLIND MICE ..
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TyE Reg. Sep 2003	Posted 2019-05-14 3:00 PM Subject: RE: The Derby
Expert Posts: 1409	OregonBR - 2019-05-14 10:25 AM CHASIN CANS - 2019-05-13 4:30 PM LOUISVILLE COURIER JOURNAL ANALYZES 2019 KENTUCKY DERBY WITH NEW HEADON AND SIDE VIEWS AND SHOW PLAINLY MAXIMUM SECURITY WAS NOT AT FAULT ... THE TWO CULPRITS ARE WAR OF WILL RUNNING UP ON MS AND COUNTRY HOUSE CROWDING THE FIELD TO PUT EVERYONE IN JEOPARDY ... MEANWHILE MAXIMUM SECURITY MOVED OUT OF THE TROUBLE ZONE AND CONTINUED TO RACE FOR HOME .. VERY GOOD VIDEO AND ANALYSIS ... WITH CAPTIONS AND REWINDS AND EVEN TRACK ANNOUNCER RACE CALL IS SHOWN .. I have slow internet and my wifi cuts on and off so hoping you guys get a real good constant viewing of the entire race ... the good part is right before the 4th turn to run home .. This is what the lazy stewards should have taken the time to do rather than showing their favortisim for certain riders, owners and trainers .. https://www.courier-journal.com/videos/sports/horses/kentucky-derby/2019/05/10/kentucky-derby-2019-video-disputed-disqualification-luis-suez/1165620001/ LET'S TRY TO GET A LIVE LINK ... https://www.courier-journal.com/videos/sports/horses/kentucky-derby/... The horses have to stay in their own path or be clear of the horses behind before they change paths. If MS had stayed in this own path, nothing would have happened. He would have won and everyone would not be talking about this. The fact that he didn't is the problem. I'm not blaming anyone. **** happens. Horses do unexpected things. We should know that since we are horse people. Saying that anyone else but MS caused this is ludicris. I don't think the jockey was at fault. He did his best to straighten the horse out. But it happened and there have to be consequences or the next time it happens it might be on purpose. Riders have to do their utmost not to interfere with other horses or we'd have even more injured or dead horses and riders that we already do. It looks like to me he moved out of his lane because of getting hit on his hind end. When I first watched the race I thought: HIs rear end looked like it slipped out from underneath him and caused him to get out of his lane, but that video shows exactly why he moved out of his lane.... it was because he was getting hit from behind. That is what I see anyway.
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OregonBR Reg. Dec 2003	Posted 2019-05-14 3:29 PM Subject: RE: The Derby
Champ Posts: 19623 Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm	TyE - 2019-05-14 1:00 PM OregonBR - 2019-05-14 10:25 AM CHASIN CANS - 2019-05-13 4:30 PM LOUISVILLE COURIER JOURNAL ANALYZES 2019 KENTUCKY DERBY WITH NEW HEADON AND SIDE VIEWS AND SHOW PLAINLY MAXIMUM SECURITY WAS NOT AT FAULT ... THE TWO CULPRITS ARE WAR OF WILL RUNNING UP ON MS AND COUNTRY HOUSE CROWDING THE FIELD TO PUT EVERYONE IN JEOPARDY ... MEANWHILE MAXIMUM SECURITY MOVED OUT OF THE TROUBLE ZONE AND CONTINUED TO RACE FOR HOME .. VERY GOOD VIDEO AND ANALYSIS ... WITH CAPTIONS AND REWINDS AND EVEN TRACK ANNOUNCER RACE CALL IS SHOWN .. I have slow internet and my wifi cuts on and off so hoping you guys get a real good constant viewing of the entire race ... the good part is right before the 4th turn to run home .. This is what the lazy stewards should have taken the time to do rather than showing their favortisim for certain riders, owners and trainers .. https://www.courier-journal.com/videos/sports/horses/kentucky-derby/2019/05/10/kentucky-derby-2019-video-disputed-disqualification-luis-suez/1165620001/ LET'S TRY TO GET A LIVE LINK ... https://www.courier-journal.com/videos/sports/horses/kentucky-derby/... The horses have to stay in their own path or be clear of the horses behind before they change paths. If MS had stayed in this own path, nothing would have happened. He would have won and everyone would not be talking about this. The fact that he didn't is the problem. I'm not blaming anyone. **** happens. Horses do unexpected things. We should know that since we are horse people. Saying that anyone else but MS caused this is ludicris. I don't think the jockey was at fault. He did his best to straighten the horse out. But it happened and there have to be consequences or the next time it happens it might be on purpose. Riders have to do their utmost not to interfere with other horses or we'd have even more injured or dead horses and riders that we already do. It looks like to me he moved out of his lane because of getting hit on his hind end. When I first watched the race I thought: HIs rear end looked like it slipped out from underneath him and caused him to get out of his lane, but that video shows exactly why he moved out of his lane.... it was because he was getting hit from behind. That is what I see anyway. The problem started with MS. Nobody else. After MS moved over in front of WOW who then moved over and interfered with the 18 horse. Country House was never interfered with. He was the beneficiary of the DQ.
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SKM Reg. Dec 2003	Posted 2019-05-14 3:39 PM Subject: RE: The Derby
Saint Stacey	CHASIN CANS - 2019-05-14 12:06 PM Why is it so difficult for government appointed employees to recind a decision that was made in haste without a thorough look see of all the activity that was happening in a matter of seconds. It was shameful when the appointed chief steward made a 170 word declaration and then ran and hid and not seen again to answer questions and show their reasoning for such a blantant quick decision. It was made 22 minutes after the race finished which means they spent maybe 11 minutes viewing only 1 or 2 videos without looking at various angles of 10-15 others. I will go with the video that was researched and analyzed very thoroughly over the decision of 3 BLIND MICE .. A horse CANNOT blow 3-4 lanes over in literally one stride UNLESS THEY ARE CLEAR. MS was NOT clear. Had he stayed in his position, there would have been no DQ. Had he been clear, he could have run all over that track like a drunken sailor on his way to Margaritaville for free happy hour rum.
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