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Location: Alberta, Canada | Silly Filly - 2016-10-27 1:23 PM
I'm confused, Heather sounds more like an animal communicator than a reader of horse hair. Seems to me all the analysis would do is tell you what mineral levels etc are present in your horse. Not that he has respiratory problems, anxiety, chiropractic problems..........????? Isn't that kind of like testing my hair and telling me I'm a psychopath?
Blood can pinpoint ulcers, anxiety, emotional issues as well. Also -- health issues will show up as soundness issues. | |
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Location: Louisiana | Silly Filly - 2016-10-27 3:23 PM
I'm confused, Heather sounds more like an animal communicator than a reader of horse hair. Seems to me all the analysis would do is tell you what mineral levels etc are present in your horse. Not that he has respiratory problems, anxiety, chiropractic problems..........????? Isn't that kind of like testing my hair and telling me I'm a psychopath?
Yeeaaaahhhhh......I sent in a sample this week just to see on my gelding I can't seem to keep healthy. Figured $25 can't hurt.
I am not/was not expecting her to tell me he has a bad knee. I am kinda expecting more along the lines of he's lacking or maybe even toxic with certain minerals etc.
I know his soundness/crazy stuff lol, I don't know why he gets fat and shiny and then dull and ribby within a month. When he gets the best money can buy and the other horses are fat as ticks on less.
But after hearing these testimonials I'm pretty curious as to what she'll say about him.
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| dashnlotti - 2016-10-27 11:25 PM Silly Filly - 2016-10-27 3:23 PM I'm confused, Heather sounds more like an animal communicator than a reader of horse hair. Seems to me all the analysis would do is tell you what mineral levels etc are present in your horse. Not that he has respiratory problems, anxiety, chiropractic problems..........????? Isn't that kind of like testing my hair and telling me I'm a psychopath? Yeeaaaahhhhh......I sent in a sample this week just to see on my gelding I can't seem to keep healthy. Figured $25 can't hurt. I am not/was not expecting her to tell me he has a bad knee. I am kinda expecting more along the lines of he's lacking or maybe even toxic with certain minerals etc. I know his soundness/crazy stuff lol, I don't know why he gets fat and shiny and then dull and ribby within a month. When he gets the best money can buy and the other horses are fat as ticks on less. But after hearing these testimonials I'm pretty curious as to what she'll say about him.
I'm not sold on the HHA thing yet but I might try it...I will say my mare goes from fat and shiny to thin and scrawny and I found out she had PSSM type 2! High protein diet has her looking (and staying) amazing | |
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Location: Kansas | 1DSoon - 2016-10-24 2:50 PM I did this a few months ago and found out my horse was using heroine
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Hold on a minute here folks. You need to understand a few things better. There IS validity to genetic testing based on DNA analysis of the the DNA in the ROOT of the hair, not the shaft. You need to understand the difference. We're talking about these relatively uncommon metabolic defects like HYPP, and PSSM-1, etc, or some genetic immunodeficiency diseases. You need the ROOT of the hair, just like you need it when you send in your hair sample to AQHA. THIS particular cheap $25 analysis is an assay of the hair shaft......correct? About the only worthwhile thing this will give you is whether or not your horse has some sort of heavy metal poisoning. It sure as hell won't tell you where a horse is hurting or how he feels. I think this is just a hook to get you to buy some potients or herbs. Once in a while it will appear that it "works", so then you become a testimonial or a " believer". This is quackery, plain and simple.
Here.....chew on this for a while:
http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/hair.html | |
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Location: Windoming | Thank you, Bear, very interesting article! Also reinforced what I was thinking. | |
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Location: TEXAS | Bear - 2016-10-28 9:29 AM
Hold on a minute here folks. You need to understand a few things better. There IS validity to genetic testing based on DNA analysis of the the DNA in the ROOT of the hair, not the shaft. You need to understand the difference. We're talking about these relatively uncommon metabolic defects like HYPP, and PSSM-1, etc, or some genetic immunodeficiency diseases. You need the ROOT of the hair, just like you need it when you send in your hair sample to AQHA. THIS particular cheap $25 analysis is an assay of the hair shaft......correct? About the only worthwhile thing this will give you is whether or not your horse has some sort of heavy metal poisoning. It sure as hell won't tell you where a horse is hurting or how he feels. I think this is just a hook to get you to buy some potients or herbs. Once in a while it will appear that it "works", so then you become a testimonial or a " believer". This is quackery, plain and simple.
Here.....chew on this for a while:
http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/hair.html
 
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Location: North Dakota | CYA Ranch - 2016-10-25 10:11 PM jenagarwood - 2016-10-25 9:12 AM I sent hair from two horses to Heather Benson a couple months ago. She found a couple issues that I was already aware of (one has been confirmed by a vet in the past) and a couple that I was unaware of but certainly could fit with their issues. I had not communicated with her in any way before, and their issues are not on my (private set) FB or internet anywhere, so I don't know how in the world that could be coincidence. One gets low-grade kidney infections (confirmed by vet), gets sore occasionally in his fronts (confirmed by vet), and the other is an emotional basketcase (confirmed by me, lol) and has minor breathing issues (which I was aware of, and have been treating with Equi-Resp). Those are the issues she pointed out that I was aware of already--only that's an awful lot of coincidence, if it's coincidence. As far as her herbs, I don't know yet as I'm only about halfway through the first 60 days, but they are no more pricey than anything else I've ever used. I was in Rapid at West Fest when Heather called me and started telling me things about my gelding that only I knew about him. I just started treating him on Monday but I'm very anxious to see if it helps. Fingers and toes crossed.
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Location: Claremore, OK | Bear - 2016-10-28 9:29 AM Hold on a minute here folks. You need to understand a few things better. There IS validity to genetic testing based on DNA analysis of the the DNA in the ROOT of the hair, not the shaft. You need to understand the difference. We're talking about these relatively uncommon metabolic defects like HYPP, and PSSM-1, etc, or some genetic immunodeficiency diseases. You need the ROOT of the hair, just like you need it when you send in your hair sample to AQHA. THIS particular cheap $25 analysis is an assay of the hair shaft......correct? About the only worthwhile thing this will give you is whether or not your horse has some sort of heavy metal poisoning. It sure as hell won't tell you where a horse is hurting or how he feels. I think this is just a hook to get you to buy some potients or herbs. Once in a while it will appear that it "works", so then you become a testimonial or a " believer". This is quackery, plain and simple. Here.....chew on this for a while: http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/hair.html
There are two different types of HHA , the scientific method done by Dr DePaolo and the muscle testing kind done for $25 by a couple different people. The cheaper version is someone dangling a crystal over your horse's hair doing remote muscle testing or dousing. The money is made by selling you supplements they say you need as per the "testing". | |
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| Liana D - 2020-11-24 12:11 PM Bear - 2016-10-28 9:29 AM Hold on a minute here folks. You need to understand a few things better. There IS validity to genetic testing based on DNA analysis of the the DNA in the ROOT of the hair, not the shaft. You need to understand the difference. We're talking about these relatively uncommon metabolic defects like HYPP, and PSSM-1, etc, or some genetic immunodeficiency diseases. You need the ROOT of the hair, just like you need it when you send in your hair sample to AQHA. THIS particular cheap $25 analysis is an assay of the hair shaft......correct? About the only worthwhile thing this will give you is whether or not your horse has some sort of heavy metal poisoning. It sure as hell won't tell you where a horse is hurting or how he feels. I think this is just a hook to get you to buy some potients or herbs. Once in a while it will appear that it "works", so then you become a testimonial or a " believer". This is quackery, plain and simple. Here.....chew on this for a while: http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/hair.html There are two different types of HHA , the scientific method done by Dr DePaolo and the muscle testing kind done for $25 by a couple different people. The cheaper version is someone dangling a crystal over your horse's hair doing remote muscle testing or dousing. The money is made by selling you supplements they say you need as per the "testing". I'm sorry Liana. Your comment " someone dangling a crystal over your horse's hair doing remote muscle testing or dousing." is very wrong. Have you sat with heather & watched her dangle a crystal ball over my horse ? " No you haven't. I adore you as a trainer but your comment is just wrong. People myself included have had good results with their horses. Isn't that a good thing ? I think so. Don't we want our horses to feel well ? Yes we do. The ougi board comment from scott was so un professional. What does he know ? He's not a horse person. Not much with horses. For goodness sake people, if something works for our horses isn't that a good thing ?? Quit critisizing . Oh & science. Science says there is no God. Guess what there is :)
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | okhorselover - 2020-11-25 7:51 PM Liana D - 2020-11-24 12:11 PM Bear - 2016-10-28 9:29 AM Hold on a minute here folks. You need to understand a few things better. There IS validity to genetic testing based on DNA analysis of the the DNA in the ROOT of the hair, not the shaft. You need to understand the difference. We're talking about these relatively uncommon metabolic defects like HYPP, and PSSM-1, etc, or some genetic immunodeficiency diseases. You need the ROOT of the hair, just like you need it when you send in your hair sample to AQHA. THIS particular cheap $25 analysis is an assay of the hair shaft......correct? About the only worthwhile thing this will give you is whether or not your horse has some sort of heavy metal poisoning. It sure as hell won't tell you where a horse is hurting or how he feels. I think this is just a hook to get you to buy some potients or herbs. Once in a while it will appear that it "works", so then you become a testimonial or a " believer". This is quackery, plain and simple. Here.....chew on this for a while: http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/hair.html There are two different types of HHA , the scientific method done by Dr DePaolo and the muscle testing kind done for $25 by a couple different people. The cheaper version is someone dangling a crystal over your horse's hair doing remote muscle testing or dousing. The money is made by selling you supplements they say you need as per the "testing". I'm sorry Liana. Your comment " someone dangling a crystal over your horse's hair doing remote muscle testing or dousing." is very wrong. Have you sat with heather & watched her dangle a crystal ball over my horse ? " No you haven't. I adore you as a trainer but your comment is just wrong. People myself included have had good results with their horses. Isn't that a good thing ? I think so. Don't we want our horses to feel well ? Yes we do. The ougi board comment from scott was so un professional. What does he know ? He's not a horse person. Not much with horses. For goodness sake people, if something works for our horses isn't that a good thing ?? Quit critisizing . Oh & science. Science says there is no God. Guess what there is :) Everybody is entitled to their own opinion on this subject or any subject, but this does sound like a interesting subject.. me I rather just go to my horses Vet and go to the root of the problem. Edited to add" yes you are Right God is real and God is Great
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Location: Claremore, OK | okhorselover - 2020-11-25 7:51 PM
Liana D - 2020-11-24 12:11 PM
Bear - 2016-10-28 9:29 AM Hold on a minute here folks. You need to understand a few things better. There IS validity to genetic testing based on DNA analysis of the the DNA in the ROOT of the hair, not the shaft. You need to understand the difference. We're talking about these relatively uncommon metabolic defects like HYPP, and PSSM-1, etc, or some genetic immunodeficiency diseases. You need the ROOT of the hair, just like you need it when you send in your hair sample to AQHA. THIS particular cheap $25 analysis is an assay of the hair shaft......correct? About the only worthwhile thing this will give you is whether or not your horse has some sort of heavy metal poisoning. It sure as hell won't tell you where a horse is hurting or how he feels. I think this is just a hook to get you to buy some potients or herbs. Once in a while it will appear that it "works", so then you become a testimonial or a " believer". This is quackery, plain and simple. Here.....chew on this for a while: http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/hair.html
There are two different types of HHA , the scientific method done by Dr DePaolo and the muscle testing kind done for $25 by a couple different people.
The cheaper version is someone dangling a crystal over your horse's hair doing remote muscle testing or dousing. The money is made by selling you supplements they say you need as per the "testing".
I'm sorry Liana. Your comment " someone dangling a crystal over your horse's hair doing remote muscle testing or dousing." is very wrong. Have you sat with heather & watched her dangle a crystal ball over my horse ? " No you haven't. I adore you as a trainer but your comment is just wrong. People myself included have had good results with their horses. Isn't that a good thing ? I think so. Don't we
want our horses to feel well ? Yes we do. The ougi board comment from scott was so un professional. What does he know ? He's not a horse person. Not much with horses. For goodness sake people, if something works for our horses isn't that a good thing ?? Quit critisizing . Oh & science. Science says there is no God. Guess what there is :)
I'm not criticizing, I have nothing against the people selling or using the service but I think people should realize what it is. One company whole hardly admits its muscle testing, another company calls it "using a gift from God". I've used muscle testing my self. There's a video on fb Of a ring circling above a mare's back predicting goal gender, that's muscle testing. If it works for you, great, but calling it Horse Hair Analysis is a little misleading. | |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | CYA Ranch - 2016-10-25 10:11 PM jenagarwood - 2016-10-25 9:12 AM I sent hair from two horses to Heather Benson a couple months ago. She found a couple issues that I was already aware of (one has been confirmed by a vet in the past) and a couple that I was unaware of but certainly could fit with their issues. I had not communicated with her in any way before, and their issues are not on my (private set) FB or internet anywhere, so I don't know how in the world that could be coincidence. One gets low-grade kidney infections (confirmed by vet), gets sore occasionally in his fronts (confirmed by vet), and the other is an emotional basketcase (confirmed by me, lol) and has minor breathing issues (which I was aware of, and have been treating with Equi-Resp). Those are the issues she pointed out that I was aware of already--only that's an awful lot of coincidence, if it's coincidence. As far as her herbs, I don't know yet as I'm only about halfway through the first 60 days, but they are no more pricey than anything else I've ever used. I was in Rapid at West Fest when Heather called me and started telling me things about my gelding that only I knew about him. I just started treating him on Monday but I'm very anxious to see if it helps. Fingers and toes crossed.
Just wondering how all this worked out. I know CYA Ranch has not posted in a really long time so I hope everything is good on her end, just curious how it worked out for her gelding? So maybe just maybe she will see this thread and check in. Are does anybody know her, or Facebook with her on here maybe they can ask her to check in with us?  | |
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| Southtxponygirl - 2020-11-25 8:02 PM
okhorselover - 2020-11-25 7:51 PM
Liana D - 2020-11-24 12:11 PM
Bear - 2016-10-28 9:29 AM Hold on a minute here folks. You need to understand a few things better. There IS validity to genetic testing based on DNA analysis of the the DNA in the ROOT of the hair, not the shaft. You need to understand the difference. We're talking about these relatively uncommon metabolic defects like HYPP, and PSSM-1, etc, or some genetic immunodeficiency diseases. You need the ROOT of the hair, just like you need it when you send in your hair sample to AQHA. THIS particular cheap $25 analysis is an assay of the hair shaft......correct? About the only worthwhile thing this will give you is whether or not your horse has some sort of heavy metal poisoning. It sure as hell won't tell you where a horse is hurting or how he feels. I think this is just a hook to get you to buy some potients or herbs. Once in a while it will appear that it "works", so then you become a testimonial or a " believer". This is quackery, plain and simple. Here.....chew on this for a while: http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/hair.html
There are two different types of HHA , the scientific method done by Dr DePaolo and the muscle testing kind done for $25 by a couple different people.
The cheaper version is someone dangling a crystal over your horse's hair doing remote muscle testing or dousing. The money is made by selling you supplements they say you need as per the "testing".
I'm sorry Liana. Your comment " someone dangling a crystal over your horse's hair doing remote muscle testing or dousing." is very wrong. Have you sat with heather & watched her dangle a crystal ball over my horse ? " No you haven't. I adore you as a trainer but your comment is just wrong. People myself included have had good results with their horses. Isn't that a good thing ? I think so. Don't we
want our horses to feel well ? Yes we do. The ougi board comment from scott was so un professional. What does he know ? He's not a horse person. Not much with horses. For goodness sake people, if something works for our horses isn't that a good thing ?? Quit critisizing . Oh & science. Science says there is no God. Guess what there is :)
Everybody is intitled to their own opinion on this subject or any subject, but this does sound like a interesting subject.. me I rather just go to my horses Vet and go to the root of the problem.
Edited to add" yes you are Right God is real and God is Great
I use the "woo-woo" stuff when my vets (plural intended, I believe in 2nd, 3rd.. opinions) aren't sure what is going on. Usually the woo woo helps if not completely solves the problem. I have great success combining the two with an ok from my vet and the alternative therapy person. I ALWAYS make sure that the one will not adversely effect the other. My horse's health comes first. If something isn't working, I am going to try my hardest to find something that does. | |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | GLP - 2020-11-26 10:07 AM
Southtxponygirl - 2020-11-25 8:02 PM
okhorselover - 2020-11-25 7:51 PM
Liana D - 2020-11-24 12:11 PM
Bear - 2016-10-28 9:29 AM Hold on a minute here folks. You need to understand a few things better. There IS validity to genetic testing based on DNA analysis of the the DNA in the ROOT of the hair, not the shaft. You need to understand the difference. We're talking about these relatively uncommon metabolic defects like HYPP, and PSSM-1, etc, or some genetic immunodeficiency diseases. You need the ROOT of the hair, just like you need it when you send in your hair sample to AQHA. THIS particular cheap $25 analysis is an assay of the hair shaft......correct? About the only worthwhile thing this will give you is whether or not your horse has some sort of heavy metal poisoning. It sure as hell won't tell you where a horse is hurting or how he feels. I think this is just a hook to get you to buy some potients or herbs. Once in a while it will appear that it "works", so then you become a testimonial or a " believer". This is quackery, plain and simple. Here.....chew on this for a while: http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/hair.html
There are two different types of HHA , the scientific method done by Dr DePaolo and the muscle testing kind done for $25 by a couple different people.
The cheaper version is someone dangling a crystal over your horse's hair doing remote muscle testing or dousing. The money is made by selling you supplements they say you need as per the "testing".
I'm sorry Liana. Your comment " someone dangling a crystal over your horse's hair doing remote muscle testing or dousing." is very wrong. Have you sat with heather & watched her dangle a crystal ball over my horse ? " No you haven't. I adore you as a trainer but your comment is just wrong. People myself included have had good results with their horses. Isn't that a good thing ? I think so. Don't we
want our horses to feel well ? Yes we do. The ougi board comment from scott was so un professional. What does he know ? He's not a horse person. Not much with horses. For goodness sake people, if something works for our horses isn't that a good thing ?? Quit critisizing . Oh & science. Science says there is no God. Guess what there is :)
Everybody is intitled to their own opinion on this subject or any subject, but this does sound like a interesting subject.. me I rather just go to my horses Vet and go to the root of the problem.
Edited to add" yes you are Right God is real and God is Great
I use the "woo-woo" stuff when my vets (plural intended, I believe in 2nd, 3rd.. opinions) aren't sure what is going on. Usually the woo woo helps if not completely solves the problem. I have great success combining the two with an ok from my vet and the alternative therapy person. I ALWAYS make sure that the one will not adversely effect the other. My horse's health comes first. If something isn't working, I am going to try my hardest to find something that does.
I have been blessed since I found the Vet that I have always wanted since moving from the Valley, Since I have been using Dr. Huffman for serious issues I have no need to try the woo-woo(laughing) stuff. Befor Dr. Huffman I had he** trying to get serious issues taking care of, Dr.Huffman has been a blessing for my horses especially Melvin I have been fighting his lameness for years and then finally needed a 3rd opionion and Huffman nailed it, and never went back to the other Vets, rather travel a little farther from the house then wasting time with someone else.. But hey if the (woo-woo) is working I wont knock it.. LOL | |
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Location: LouLouVille, OK | Bear - 2016-10-24 4:28 PM The placebo effect is a very powerful tool in quackery. Belief is powerful medicine, even if the treatment itself is a sham.
There's alot of truth to this... I sent hair off and was pretty blown away with what was right and what they could see through hair... bought the herbs and no change... sent off 2nd horse.. and never even got to why I sent the hair off anyway, so I had to ask about it.. then they got it well kinda.. .bought the herbs again, no change... so my verdict is still out on it... just my experience. | |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Wow, this was an interesting trip down memory lane. Oh, and Mary, just so you know, I do believe in God. Many scientists believe in God. I also believe in science. Riddle me that. God gave me a brain and I use mine. He also gave you a brain.....start using yours and learn to spell. Since you decided I'm "not a horse person", how do you know this? Who are you to make that determination? “Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind.” - Albert Einstein. | |
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| Bear - 2016-10-28 9:29 AM Hold on a minute here folks. You need to understand a few things better. There IS validity to genetic testing based on DNA analysis of the the DNA in the ROOT of the hair, not the shaft. You need to understand the difference. We're talking about these relatively uncommon metabolic defects like HYPP, and PSSM-1, etc, or some genetic immunodeficiency diseases. You need the ROOT of the hair, just like you need it when you send in your hair sample to AQHA. THIS particular cheap $25 analysis is an assay of the hair shaft......correct? About the only worthwhile thing this will give you is whether or not your horse has some sort of heavy metal poisoning. It sure as hell won't tell you where a horse is hurting or how he feels. I think this is just a hook to get you to buy some potients or herbs. Once in a while it will appear that it "works", so then you become a testimonial or a " believer". This is quackery, plain and simple. Here.....chew on this for a while: http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/hair.html
Do you think that certain tests would show silver? NOT colloidal silver. Long sorry that I do not want to share. If you have to know I will message you | |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | streakysox - 2020-12-01 6:05 PM
Bear - 2016-10-28 9:29 AM Hold on a minute here folks. You need to understand a few things better. There IS validity to genetic testing based on DNA analysis of the the DNA in the ROOT of the hair, not the shaft. You need to understand the difference. We're talking about these relatively uncommon metabolic defects like HYPP, and PSSM-1, etc, or some genetic immunodeficiency diseases. You need the ROOT of the hair, just like you need it when you send in your hair sample to AQHA. THIS particular cheap $25 analysis is an assay of the hair shaft......correct? About the only worthwhile thing this will give you is whether or not your horse has some sort of heavy metal poisoning. It sure as hell won't tell you where a horse is hurting or how he feels. I think this is just a hook to get you to buy some potients or herbs. Once in a while it will appear that it "works", so then you become a testimonial or a " believer". This is quackery, plain and simple. Here.....chew on this for a while: http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/hair.html
Do you think that certain tests would show silver? NOT colloidal silver. Long sorry that I do not want to share. If you have to know I will message you
I don't know if there are available tests that can detect silver in hair. Silver is a "heavy metal", so I suppose it's possible. Not all "heavy metals" are toxins. Silver can be harmful if you get enough of it. Some heavy metals are even essential nutrients, but very small amounts are needed, like copper and zinc. When people typically talk about "heavy metals" it's in reference to the feared "heavy metal poisoning, like from lead or mercury or bismuth. | |
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