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    Location: Montana | I am trying my darndest to install values of hard work and kindness to others in my nephew, while he is still living with us. His mother is one that would be sitting there laughing and videoing your ordeal, but when its time for her to need help she would be expecting someone to help her. He is only seven, but I'm hoping that this will stick with him when he goes home and she doesnt ruin him. LOL. Luckily we live in a state that still values these values, and he will see it not only with us but with others around him as well. |
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 A Somebody to Everybody
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              Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | want2chase3 - 2021-02-24 9:25 AM
Southtxponygirl - 2021-02-24 9:10 AM
1DSoon - 2021-02-24 7:39 AM
In many, probably most cases it's not lack of curtisy or chivalry on the case of the man. But why should they put themselves out there when there is a very good chance they will get scolded or insulted by the female species.
ETA: in the case of rudness in general.
it's because no one is afraid to get punched in the face any more.
LOL, one time my husband did ask a women if he could help her load a lawn mower into the back of her car since she was struggling with it at Home Depot, (and she was a big smart ass) her answer was Why is it because I'm a women, I can load it my self. I sat in the truck watching her after hubby went into the store, ha ha ha, she never got it into the trunk.. Hubby walked pass her getting back into the truck and we drove away and she was still fighting with that lawn mower. Oh well you ask and get shot down sometimes but you dont stop being a nice guy because of one rude as* bit*ch..
Oh no she didn't!!! Wow... OK... then yep.. you is on your own sweetie pie lol!
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      Location: Slipping down the slope of old age. Boo hoo. | ... and, here we are with shows like Yellowstone where men are men HUGE in popularity and women swooning over the MEN in this show -- I hope this makes 'males' sit up and take notice. Women want a MAN! |
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| Like a lot of topics that I've commented on here- I see a couple of different sides....que the "I knew she was a closet liberal trying to act conservative" comments..... 1) I think that we are raising generations of people that are from younger and younger parents who are getting futher and futher away from old fashioned values. And I've noticed that men are helping men less and women are helping women less. People are getting ruder and more self absorbed (or self-occupied by cell phones).They no longer even consider or care how their actions are percieved. To me, a man that watches a woman struggle is just as bad as a nasty talking woman that refuses the help offerd from a well intending man. People have stopped taking the time to process how the offer of help is presented. I'm pretty sure I can tell the difference between a genuine offer to help (by a man or a woman) and one that is offered in a condensending way. I usually try to respond accordingly instead of a "knee jerk" no, because I am a pretty strong and independant woman. But there is definitly no shame in allowing someone to help and feel good about themselves. Or at least refuse by saying something like "No, I've got this, but thanks so much for being nice enough to offer. I appreciate it" Surely anyone wouldn't be offened by that? And they would walk away feeling good they offered and should be still just as willing to offer help to another person in need. 2) Polite men are formed by strongly polite women - wether it's their mother / grandmother / wife / girlfriend / teacher / whoever. I know it sounds sexist - but I think it's true. I truly believe that a woman shapes how a man responds to her. And I don't mean by wearing a vagina shaped hat or in a sexual way. Or maybe I should say that people shape how others respond to them- and not just make it about women and men. My momma always told me to act like I wanted to be treated. If i wanted to be treated nicely - treat others nicely. If I wanted to be respected - treat people with respect. I really do believe that people are still looking for clues on how to interact with people. It's a whole lot easier to offer help to a person that seems approachable and helpable, than it is to offer help to a sour faced prude. I still think far more people want to be a good and helpful person - IF they are a good person in their core. An arragant, self absorbed person is going to act that way - no matter who they are around. But back to the origional statement that polite men are formed by polite women. When a woman is self-sufficent but still greatful for help. It makes a man feel good about being a man. I'm not trying to be manipulative - its basic human nature. People feel good about helping someone that is appreciative of being helped, but isn't doing it in a manner that makes the helping person feel like they being taken advantage of. And when a woman treats those around them with polietness and respect - its also usually very apparent that they themselves are probably not going to tolerate being treated any other way. My husband is not always the open the car door, pull out your chair, or hold your coat kind of guy (because his momma didn't teach or expect him to do that -dadburn her!), but at his core- he is a respectful and considerate man. And that is a very good - and sexy - thing. But I won't tolerate anything less. Quite simply - you can "train" a man just like you can train a horse / a child / or a dog. Firmness-Kindess- Defining the boundaries- Rewards - Repetition - and Doing everything in a manner that makes them feel like the right thing was always their idea. Easy peasy- if you have a good minded horse / child / dog / or man to start with. Bloodlines usually matter for a reason. And yes, I'm sooooo looking forward to the comments I might get about those statements. 3) There could be a legimate reason why people are less likely to ask for or accept help. It is really kinda scary to be a woman out alone. Crazy things happen. There are women getting snatched in public parking lots. How horrible is it to be broke down on the side of the road and have to worry about the character of the man that is stopping to help? Sometimes you feel safer struggling alone than with a "helpful" stranger. Honestly - I'd rather change the tire myself than be worried about who stopped. And I feel soooo bad for feeling that way, because the good guys way, way, way out number the bad, but you have to be careful and take care of yourself. And crazy things happen to men too. So....that's my 3 cents worth....for what it's worth.... |
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| Bear - 2021-02-23 5:12 PM

Unfortunately its not "politically correct" to be a man anymore. |
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         Location: SW MO | My husband always opens the door for me & other women. Part of the time women will look at him " like what the heck are you doing" & others look like they are scared he's going to get them. |
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| I just don't understand why it has become so hard to be polite... the media? The big companies i.e. Coke... "act less white" fueling the younger idiot generation that eats tide pods, uses gorilla glue in their hair and then gets a go fund me in the amount of 20k... do stupid things and get rewarded nowadays it seems instead of winning stupid prizes.... I swear every time I go to town I get someone riding my bumper, like I'm in their way, they run up my butt and will tailgate me and I can see them frustrated with me in my rear view.. it makes me want to drive slower is all... I'm not a driving miss daisy slow driver either but I'm sure not in as big as a hurry as most are. I didn't have to train my husband, that's his parents job and they did a fine FINE job of raising a hard working, honest, loyal, polite, God fearing gentleman. I'm raising my boys to be the same... being polite and helpful isn't a science, it should just be common sense and instilled in every single person. My daughter began dating a boy a few months ago... he's a younger version of my husband, her stepfather... to a T.. its good to see a younger kid with those values.. he's respectful, always willing to lend a hand, the kid works his butt off for the things he has.. he respects my daughter and protects her. He can hunt, fish, rope, work cows, bale hay use heavy equipment, build pretty much anything with his hands and he's just an all around good dude... I'm glad she chose a good ol boy... his momma raised him right. |
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 Lived to tell about it and will never do it again
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| Kindaclassey, I'm right there with you on the changing the tire thing. it is just to scary out there. Although I did pull into a jackpot last fall and had a flat on the trailer(it was dark and you can't see the back tire). I thought no big deal, got the impact wrench out and went to work. PROBLEM, the tread got through to the inside and wrapped around the drum. I am forever grateful that a couple of men came up to help because it didn't come out easily. I wouldn't have ever gotten it out and would have just had to cripple home on 3 wheels. I made sure that he knew how much I appreciated his help and gave him a nice cold bottle of water. LOL Had that happened on the side of the road I would have just gone on until I got someplace that I was familier with or on home. |
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"Heck's Coming With Me"
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        Location: Kansas | 1DSoon - 2021-02-24 7:39 AM
In many, probably most cases it's not lack of curtisy or chivalry on the case of the man. But why should they put themselves out there when there is a very good chance they will get scolded or insulted by the female species.
ETA: in the case of rudness in general.
it's because no one is afraid to get punched in the face any more.
My big husky plumber friend likes nightclubs. One night he tried to help a woman whose date was smacking her around. He threw the guy down and she immediately took off her shoe and started beating on my friend. He said "never again." |
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