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| want2chase3 - 2021-08-26 1:13 PM
And I am not trying to come across as being judgemental. Truly isn't my intention. I'm not arguing against the people that are CHOOSING to get the vax, I'm arguing against the people that are telling me I'm being ridiculous for questioning and not agreeing with people being forced to take it to keep their jobs, travel... and whatnot. That's my problem with it. I think our government is terrible, no doubt, but that's not why I'm not excited about this vaccine. Do I think they are using it? Absolutely.
I don't know if this will help you at all or if it is anything you are looking for, but today my sweet cousin sent the number to a clinic that has a prevention protocol and a treatment protocol for Covid. It includes ivermectin. This doctor has treated lots and lots of folks with an extremely high rate of success. If you are interested, I'll PM you the number. It's for Texas folks only as far as I know. | |
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Location: Randolph, Utah | My company hasn't mandated the vaccine, yet, but they are strongy encouraging it. We are a small shop, less than 30 employees, I think 4 are vaccinated. Our corporate office is about 60% vaccinated. I know a few that have said they will walk out if we are forced to get the vaccine. I do not like the feeling of having my job held over my head over the shot. I fully believe it should be our own choice. I like my job, I've been here 8 years, have good benefits, vacation time, and a lot of freedom, I do not want to start over. Then I wonder how many other companies are going to mandate it, so does it do any good to find another job. Unfortunately, I cannot afford to just walk away, I have to work. This was a lot of rambling, but if it comes down to my job or the shot, I don't know what I'll do. | |
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Location: /ARKANSAS | I am a nurse practitioner for the past forty years, and I could not wait to get the vaccine, I am deathly afraid of the virus, I hate being sick, when I check breath sounds on patients I do it from the side, I don't let people breathe on me. I take the flu vaccine every year, I believe my body takes the hint, I have never had the flu. I believe everyone should take the flu shot, I will take my booster in 2 months and I hope I don't get really sick, but I want to know that I do have antibodies. We have a prayer going now everyone I could fb or call. Our veternarian was shipped to a large hospital because he was going down hill with covid. I am devastated that he could die, ventilator, renal failure everyone worried and praying. The vaccine will keep you out of the hospital, all the patients in the hospital only 1-2 percent have been vaccinated. Most of the really sick 98 percent have not been vaccinated.  | |
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Location: LuluLand~along I64 Indiana | for all these small companies talking about mandating the shot, what are your policys on quarentine? If the kids come home due to close contact do you ask your employees to stay home because they are around them? Trying to run a small business as an HR rep these days is like walking through a land mine field left over from vietnam....... And with insurance renewals looming at the end of the year, there is talk that any new plan will require vaccinated employees only to get insured. | |
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| luluwhit - 2021-09-01 10:05 AM
for all these small companies talking about mandating the shot, what are your policys on quarentine? If the kids come home due to close contact do you ask your employees to stay home because they are around them? Trying to run a small business as an HR rep these days is like walking through a land mine field left over from vietnam.......
And with insurance renewals looming at the end of the year, there is talk that any new plan will require vaccinated employees only to get insured.
And that right there is when it is no longer about them actually caring about your health. It's control.... I'm waiting for insurance companies to do this. You can't get health insurance if you don't have your vax card.... or you will pay double or triple the amount because you're a sorry unvaxed individual. | |
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Location: Kansas | fastwrapn3 - 2021-08-31 8:42 PM
I am a nurse practitioner for the past forty years, and I could not wait to get the vaccine, I am deathly afraid of the virus, I hate being sick, when I check breath sounds on patients I do it from the side, I don't let people breathe on me. I take the flu vaccine every year, I believe my body takes the hint, I have never had the flu. I believe everyone should take the flu shot, I will take my booster in 2 months and I hope I don't get really sick, but I want to know that I do have antibodies. We have a prayer going now everyone I could fb or call. Our veternarian was shipped to a large hospital because he was going down hill with covid. I am devastated that he could die, ventilator, renal failure everyone worried and praying. The vaccine will keep you out of the hospital, all the patients in the hospital only 1-2 percent have been vaccinated. Most of the really sick 98 percent have not been vaccinated.
I read this morning where two teachers in Texas have died from Covid-19. There again, 1000 migrants a day are crossing into border states one out of five are infected. | |
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Location: Tulsa, Ok | JLazyT_perf_horses - 2021-08-26 11:46 AM
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My employer will not be requiring it, but everyone here has been vaccinated anyway.
I don't frown upon employers that are requiring it. We/my husband runs a construction business. If all of his employees were sick at one time he would be crippled and many jobs would come to a screeching halt in an already backed up industry - this is our livlihood. Its a huge business decision to make and it's not an easy one. My husband and I are both vaccianted for that very reason, to avoid having to pull out of work. Yes I do realize the vaccine doesn't offer 100% protection but couldn't take the risk without it either. With that said, at this time he does not require his employees to be vaccinated but many have made that decision themselves already.
I get that side of it. But my company is opposite, Out of 50 of us only 16 have gotten the vaccine and the rest are not budging. Money isn't even persuading them. We've only had 4 test postive so far, and weren't sick so as soon as their 10 days were done they were back and they were all last year. If they do come to a point where they require it, those 16 people will not keep the company going and the doors will close to a business that's been operating for almost 40 years. We build tanks/dryers for places like ADM, which takes time. And none of it is prepaid work, so if we lost workforce and couldn't supply on time they'd pull the project from us. Leaving us with millions $ in material we already bought and no longer need. We can barely even find welders when we need them, not because they're not out there, they just don't want to work. So I think either way, buinesses are going to be hit if they do or don't. If we get to a point where work is caught up and we don't have high dollar jobs coming in that require expensive material, they might make us be vaccinated. I think they're going to see how it plays out with some other businesses first though. Its going to be a ****ed if you do, ****ed if you don't type deal. If they would cut off the uneployment I think business would have a better shot a surviving if they do require vaccines. Cities like New York, mandating it for restraunts and things are now going to be solely dependent on a much smaller pool of customers. I can't imaging that'll be great for business either, when it comes to places to eat and workout, they need us more than we need them
It is funny that all who are so adamant about "capitalism" should NOW be upset that OWNERS of THEIR businesses can make ANY rule they want that will further "their" agenda ...... to make money!
I assume you're on the side of communism then? But somewhat fair point, but affecting the health of those making the money for you is a gray area thats not really had much of an issue before. If my employer did and I moved on somewhere else and they contnued to thrive, then power to them. Do I think you should put their health and life at risk so you don't get a cold spreading around your office? Probably not. If you want to do so, power to you, good luck with your business. I'm stating my opinion based on the fact that we have very few business that aren't big chains left. And the couple we do have left are currently only opening for 2-3 days instead of the normal 6-7. Restaurants are open for one meal time instead of all 3 as normal. Because they can't get people to work. And if they were to lose these employees they do have, they probably can't stay open. I don't want to see people being forced to do soemthing they don't want, or see more of my favorite places shut down because of a rule. And if you mandate the employees, you have to mandate the customers, which quickens the process of shutting doors down. Its going to completely collapse the economy over a cold
NOW that made me laugh ..... tell that to the families of the 630+ THOUSAND who have died and more on the way .....
How about the nearly 3 million people a year that die from obesity? Where's the big push to prevent those deaths? Oh yeah, we actually push and promote in FAVOR of those deaths....hard. Yeah lots of people died from covid, but whats the real number for actual covid and whats the real number for comobiditues? Because if you tested positive and then died in a car accident, guess whats on your death cert right now...BOTH. Hell even the CDC website has said this whole time some of the deaths aren't even covid positive that are counted. So I'd really like to know the real, honest numbers. Since again, even the doctors at our big city hospital are saying the numbers are fake as hellllll & not to worry about it...the one's with the empty, but reported full ICU beds to the media so they cna get funding. I'm not AT ALL saying its not real, but its a significantly less deal than they're making it out to be. Thats just common sense and even the facts are there to back it up. Talk to a hospital accountant that isn't afraid to come clean, it would blow your mind what they're doing to spin covid into more money in the hospital pocket. And if they're doing it here you be they're doing it everywhere. If you want to take the vaccine great, if not just as great. Again, our health is nobody elses concern. Yours is not mine, mine is not yours. And if you're running around the street doing something because you're concerned how it might affect me...you're an idiot
There you go trying to muddy the water with false statistics .....comparing covid deaths in the U.S. (630+ thousand) to the obesity deaths (3M GLOBALLY) is like comparing apples to oranges. Actual figures for the US is between 200-300K per year attributed to obesity ..... NOW let's take your scenario of a car accident victim being counted as a covid death ....what about the obesity "deaths" being counted that could actually be heart attacks or lung-kidney-liver problems? YOU can try to "skew" statistics anyway you want ...... BUT ...... the "Covid virus" is NOT JUST A COLD ...... and you are the IDIOT to compare it that way!
You make a lot of general statements about this person says this and this person says that about funding, ICU beds etc but you never provide ANY proof or names etc .... It's exactly like the old tired stories of I have a friend, who has a friend, who has a cousin, who has a girlfriend, whose father's barber told him blah....blah....blah about the vaccine, drugs, and more blah....blah....blah
SO I'm supposed to publicly give the names and throw them under the bus to lose their jobs to make you happy? No thanks
Last I heard obesity, car accidents etc were not contagious. | |
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Location: Randolph, Utah | We have now been offered a $100 gift card if we are fully vaccinated or have gotten the 1st shot by this Friday. I don't know about anyone else but $100 isn't much of an incentive for me. A friend mentioned the other day, your employer doesn't, or can't, ask about your STD history or other diseases you may have so why is the covid vaccine free game? | |
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Location: MN | Why was it when people were going through chemo and a Had a weaker immune system and other people who had health issues would wear a mask but I didn't see the rest of the world wearing a mask to protect them. This is just a double standard for the biggest political game ever played I'm history. for the record yes COVID is real but not as deadly as it is pushing down our throats. | |
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Location: Fort Worth / Springtown | dawnb - 2021-09-07 7:43 PM
Why was it when people were going through chemo and a Had a weaker immune system and other people who had health issues would wear a mask but I didn't see the rest of the world wearing a mask to protect them. This is just a double standard for the biggest political game ever played I'm history. for the record yes COVID is real but not as deadly as it is pushing down our throats.
Good point about the chemo patients. I also am seeing where a lot of businesses say that you don't have to wear a mask if you have got the jab - but mask up if you aren't va**ed......I personally don't know many that have received the jab, but over 1/2 of those have already been sick with Cov*d.......so are they not contagious anymore??
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Location: Warsaw,NY | So I live in NY, and this just came out yesterday from my manager. NYS is going to try and revoke our nursing licenses if we do not get vaccinated. I actually went and apoke to my old manager to vcerify if thid was real or if my current manager was just blowing smoke up our ass. NY is saying that in order to be employed as a nurse it is contingent on having a licesne, and saying this is considered misconduct for refusing to follow a mandate. I HATE NY | |
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Location: Fort Worth / Springtown | hezasmashnsixcess - 2021-09-10 7:59 AM So I live in NY, and this just came out yesterday from my manager. NYS is going to try and revoke our nursing licenses if we do not get vaccinated. I actually went and apoke to my old manager to vcerify if thid was real or if my current manager was just blowing smoke up our ass. NY is saying that in order to be employed as a nurse it is contingent on having a licesne, and saying this is considered misconduct for refusing to follow a mandate. I HATE NY I am praying for you and those in positiions like you, having to make these decisions. I'm in TX and there were already nurses, here, being forced to or lose their job. Have you checked legal resources that can help you fight this? America's Fr*ontl*ine Doctors has a site setup to help with legal battles...there is another I came across yesterday. There are many battles and Fa*u*c*i and others will go down for crimes against humanity! But what about our military and doctors/nurses/ and every other profession that are being forced, now? Prayers for God to make a way for you!
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Location: Nebraska | hezasmashnsixcess - 2021-09-10 7:59 AM So I live in NY, and this just came out yesterday from my manager. NYS is going to try and revoke our nursing licenses if we do not get vaccinated. I actually went and apoke to my old manager to vcerify if thid was real or if my current manager was just blowing smoke up our ass. NY is saying that in order to be employed as a nurse it is contingent on having a licesne, and saying this is considered misconduct for refusing to follow a mandate. I HATE NY Losing your license? That's terrible! All the health systems here are mandating it. Got my first one last week. Just sucks that no one really cared when we wore the same n95 for months on end until it broke holding dying covid patients hands.
Edited by brlracerchick 2021-09-10 6:30 PM
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