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 Banjo and Baby
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Location: South of Canada and North of Mexico | So I was not looking for a young horse, in fact when I got this horse I wanted a been there done that confindence boosting type, as Im really trying to get into barrels - have for a long time. Took this horse as a partial trade, he was 5 and a little thin but not horrible, never had issues with him road riding or anything, was told he could be naughty in a stall, never really saw any of that until the last few months (He is 9 this year), he doesnt get stalled very often but most recently (sept-oct) I kept him in with my stall rest horse for company. He will mini buck in the stall, kick at the walls/door, he's not friendly or loving and can be hard to catch, a bit lazy as well. He has bucked me off twice once, pretty bad and out of no where. I put a lot of that on a new saddle that did not fit well, but even with a better fitting saddle he tried doing it to me again (2nd barrel - coming off). I have NOT pushed him and in fact probably hasnt had a lot of ride time in his life. I've sent him off for 30 days with a girl and she had no issues with him, but shes been riding all her life, another lady had him and she couldnt get him to buck either. My friend hopped on and said I just need to get after him so he knows I wont put up with that but Im also not confident enough to get after him hard. I've tried selling him but unless I give him away no one is interested, Ive also thought about spending more money into sending him away with another trainer but Im worried about him being fine for him and again not with me. I just dont know what to do anymore. Has anyone had a horse like this that just needed more wet saddle blankets and a firm hand or do you think this type of horse will always be like this? I can lunge him and he will not buck or be silly at all, he also cribs and is a very easy keeper, I thought ulcers but once again a lot of money to stick into him on a guess. I guess I just need reassurance or ideas on what to do. Thanks. |
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Location: Gainesville, TX | I think some more time with a really solid trainer wouldn't hurt anything BUT it sounds like what would help the most is a trainer to help both of you at the same time. That would probably make a world of difference and help boost your confidence. |
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Location: the end of the rainbow | Would the girl that had him for 30 days be interested in taking him and getting him sold for a percentage?
Edited by willrodeo4food 2015-01-25 9:50 PM
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Banjo and Baby
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Location: South of Canada and North of Mexico | willrodeo4food - 2015-01-25 9:49 PM Would the girl that had him for 30 days be interested in taking him and getting him sold for a percentage?
No, I do not believe so, think she has gone a new direction in her life. |
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Location: Montana | Personally, I would sell him. Sometimes, just like with people, personalities clash and he may work great for someone else and not for you. Sometimes once you have lost confidence on that particular horse, that horse will take advantage of it.
But I'll give you the flip side too: my mare I was very close to selling last year or quit barre racing. She was and is not a dangerous horse, no buck other than your typical little crow hop or stubborn streak after having some time off, but we weren't getting where I wanted to be with barrel racing. I sent her to a barrel trainer for a little more than 30 days, and I have never had so much fun! |
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I just read the headlines
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| If you are not going to try to find out what is causing this behavior ( don't want to/can't afford to) then sell him. I had a mare you could not stall for long or she had a bad personality change. Kinda sounds like he knows he has you buffaloed. I would get with a trainer he has done well with and have lessons with you riding him. I hate not getting along with a horse but it happens, don't blame yourself if you feel like your'e done with him, just find a good home for him. |
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Location: Buffalo, Wyoming | If you don't feel confident with him, I would see if you could get a trainer to work with both of you or send him to someone on consignment that can show him good and send his butt down the road.
There are to many good horses out there to keep messing with a bad one or one you don't get along with. |
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 I Chore in Chucks
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Location: MD | From your post you sound like you're timid. Maybe not in general but timid of this horse in particular. For very clear reasons (that I do not, nor do I think anyone would shame you for.) It sounds like this horse has your number, and given the opportunity he'll take it. Hand him over to someone who trains, which that person will usually exude confidence AND dominance over a horse like this, and your horse does great.
If I were you, i'd sell and get something that you don't have any reason to be timid of OR get lessons with you on him from a reputable trainer.
ETA: Yes I've been in your spot twice. It worked out for me in this instance. I bought a big new guy and I was very intimidated by him. To the point of avoiding the barn. Then I took four months worth of twice weekly lessons with him and ended up finding what worked for him AND with me to make us work together. Now he's a really great guy, but I DO get reminders when I'm not dealing with him the right way. He can be a sass master when I start picking at him. I have to not be a perfectionist with him unless he's purposefully being lazy. When he's engaged and trying I have to leave him be and let him make mistakes without over correcting or nit picking.
The first horse I couldn't deal with her and dumped her at a trader since I couldn't get anyone to buy her. after 90 days at a trainer, working her daily, and countless vet visits/supplements/adjustments to cure her sour attitude I couldn't deal with her anymore. She's currently a really great feedlot horse and I guess has the right attitude to boss those big cows around because her new family dotes on her on her great ability. I think some horses are just cut out for one job/lifestyle and until they find it they are going to make every ones life kind of miserable. I'm happy to see this horse find her niche and happy to work.
Edited by Crowned Image 2015-01-26 8:53 AM
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 Shelter Dog Lover
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| You can order ulcer meds on line fairly inexpensively. Horse pre-race sells them but if he has already shown he knows how to behave with others then it may not be physical or he knows he can't get away with it with them and tolerates any pain issues. We sent one to our trainer who was not mean but a little crazy acting and would not stand still, would not trot- just wanted to run- a pain the rear to deal with. He acted liek anut withher too so she was able to see it and fixed the horse- he stayed tied with a saddle on if he acted goofy - saddle came off when he worked properly, then she worked with my daughter and taught her, gave her confidence to work with him. Turned out he was a real sweety and a pleasure to own. Another one would not go in the alley- we vetted to make sure no issues then sent the horse to her for 30 days-goes right in, put my daughter back on- same issue- he had her number. The next run she said be ready with a whip and he if balks say no loud and firm and hit one time only as hard as you can- he balked she whacked him and he turned and looked at her like I can't believe you just did that and he never hesitated a step again at the alley. You and the horse together at a trainers may benefit you, teach you how to handle him and give you confidence. I would not enjoy riding one I was worried about bucking me off, I would also vet him to be sure no physical issues. Good luck
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Location: Cap'n Joan Rotgut.....alberta | ulcer meds are very inexpensive......
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Banjo and Baby
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Location: South of Canada and North of Mexico | Thanks for all the advice. |
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